When will this shit end?

[Fuzzy Afro]

8 minutes ago, Havors said:

Then is the problem not the idiot voters as opposed to what happened in the past? Cutting their nose off to spite their face? i.e. im going to help Boris the complete buffoon sell off our NHS because Corbyn was a fucking idealistic hippy commie who is no longer in the party? 

You’ve lost the argument when you start to call the voters idiots.

 

Besides, the Tories aren’t selling off the NHS. 

[Havors]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

You’ve lost the argument when you start to call the voters idiots.

 

Besides, the Tories aren’t selling off the NHS. 

Spoken like a proper Tory there haha 

[philipsteak]

5 minutes ago, priest17 said:

I still don't get why you have to isolate if you're pinged but get a negative test?

 

3 minutes ago, zahidf said:

because LFT arent reliable enough to be sure. PCR would be better though!

You're still supposed to isolate with a negative PCR too. I'm currently doing exactly that having got my negative result back last night. 

I guess the argument is you've been in contact with someone with Covid, (allegedly) and PCRs aren't 100% accurate so there's a slightly higher chance you might have it. 

And before anyone gets excited and giddy, I'm not saying I agree with that, but that's probably the reason why. 

[jimmillen]

13 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

But the can is always kicked down the road. Now July it too early, it needs to be all adults vaxxed. Then it'll be kids. Then it's Long covid etc etc. As they said yday at the briefing, it is now or Spring 2022. Too fucking right I don't have patience for that.

Yeah, I totally get the frustration. All I’m saying though is we all have different appetite for risk & different opinions on what that means. It’s complicated and a lot of the experts disagree too!

Just because politicians and Twitter reduce everything to conflict and taking sides doesn’t mean we need to do the same. 

Maybe I’m over optimistic for a discussion forum 😂

11 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Also if you're still apprehensive after July, people can re integrate at their own pace. They don't have to go to clubs bars or festivals. Let the people who do want to do it, do it.

Well yeah, people can still take actions to reduce their personal risk. But I’m not really bothered about personal risk, but about the impact of all this overall - especially on our healthcare system. 

 

[MrBarry465]

39 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

’ but you can tell they’re thinking it 

LOL

Assuming what anyones 'thinking' based on messages on a public forum is idiotic. 

[MrBarry465]

3 minutes ago, Havors said:

Spoken like a proper Tory there haha 

If theres anything I've been able to take away from his posts - is that he ain't a 'shy tory'.

Reckon he's got Johnson cut outs in his window. 

[Radiochicken]

11 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

The app is stupid anyway, I’d wager that the vast vast majority of people who get pinged are unnecessarily self-isolating and will not go on to test positive.

 

 

The vast majority of people who catch coronavirus do so from someone they know. 

I mean the app wasn’t “stupid”.

With respect, if I translate what your maybe really saying it’s not “app is stupid” but more “app can tell me to isolate and I don't like isolating so I don’t like the app.” 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57102664

[danmarks]

On 6/29/2021 at 7:57 PM, incident said:

 

 

Jesus. This opening up has truly turned this shitshow of a thread into the absolutely bizarre shitshow.

Hardly any one seems to be coming over as people i would choose to spend precious time with over a magical weekend , or indeed anywhere else.

It doesn't matter how much anyone shouts or has sly digs at someone. People have different opinions and different ideas of what's the best thing. Bloody hell.

Idiot voters. Bloody twitter paged no one put of here reads yet we give oxygen and life to them whcih continues the cycle.

Its all over bar the shouting on 19th july.

Can we not play nicely for a while and celebrate that things are better than they have been?

[jimmillen]

This seems relevant to this thread… 😉

 

[danmarks]

Just now, danmarks said:

 

Jesus. This opening up has truly turned this shitshow of a thread into the absolutely bizarre shitshow.

Hardly any one seems to be coming over as people i would choose to spend precious time with over a magical weekend , or indeed anywhere else.

It doesn't matter how much anyone shouts or has sly digs at someone. People have different opinions and different ideas of what's the best thing. Bloody hell.

Idiot voters. Bloody twitter paged no one put of here reads yet we give oxygen and life to them whcih continues the cycle.

Its all over bar the shouting on 19th july.

Can we not play nicely for a while and celebrate that things are better than they have been?

Oh yeah the empty quote box is cos i dont know how to get rid of it. Nothing else behind it.

Sorry incident!

[fraybentos1]

9 minutes ago, jimmillen said:

Yeah, I totally get the frustration. All I’m saying though is we all have different appetite for risk & different opinions on what that means. It’s complicated and a lot of the experts disagree too!

Just because politicians and Twitter reduce everything to conflict and taking sides doesn’t mean we need to do the same. 

Maybe I’m over optimistic for a discussion forum 😂

Well yeah, people can still take actions to reduce their personal risk. But I’m not really bothered about personal risk, but about the impact of all this overall - especially on our healthcare system. 

 

The vaccines work so well that I don't see a credible way in which the NHS will be over run and the experts that matter seem to agree at the moment. 

If we delay and as they say that means Spring 2022 I have no idea how people could be okay with that. That would be 2 whole years.

Now I will probs be greeted by some with the usual ' this isn't proper lockdown' 'if you can't cope with what we have now then you are too reliant on other things to make you happy' nonsense. And to that I say a pre-emptive 'fuck off'. 2 years of no festivals, no travel and no sitting in a pub with more than 5 of your fucking mates is not proper living. 

I supported lockdowns in the past when they were needed but now we have vaccines and lot of people with them in their arms, as @zahidfwould say - enough is enough !

[priest17]

4 minutes ago, philipsteak said:

 

You're still supposed to isolate with a negative PCR too. I'm currently doing exactly that having got my negative result back last night. 

I guess the argument is you've been in contact with someone with Covid, (allegedly) and PCRs aren't 100% accurate so there's a slightly higher chance you might have it. 

And before anyone gets excited and giddy, I'm not saying I agree with that, but that's probably the reason why. 

So many ifs and buts, you've had a negative test and no symptoms so you're basically being grounded for over a week for having your Bluetooth turned on. Why are tests such a huge thing if they can't be trusted, it's been ages have they really gotten no closer to working this out? If I tested positive could I just say tests aren't reliable and ignore it? 

We've all had to put up with a lot of shit this year, I feel like I've done my shift pretty well, haven't called anyone a nerd, worn my mask yknow I've moaned a bit but it's been pretty taxing on my mental health, I can't get my head round this though it's maddening. Don't see how anyone can get excited or nervous about restrictions changing, if cases rise like people say we'll all be in lockdown from our phones all of August anyway*.

 

 

*I know people like reacting super serious to everything in this thread so just read that in a jovial tone with a nugget of humour in there

 

[Matt42]

Let’s not forget that the NHS has been butchered for years by Tory cuts and has needed love and attention for years. It’s not going to recover to a perfect condition because it wasn’t in one beforehand. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 minute ago, priest17 said:

So many ifs and buts, you've had a negative test and no symptoms so you're basically being grounded for over a week for having your Bluetooth turned on. Why are tests such a huge thing if they can't be trusted, it's been ages have they really gotten no closer to working this out? If I tested positive could I just say tests aren't reliable and ignore it? 

We've all had to put up with a lot of shit this year, I feel like I've done my shift pretty well, haven't called anyone a nerd, worn my mask yknow I've moaned a bit but it's been pretty taxing on my mental health, I can't get my head round this though it's maddening. Don't see how anyone can get excited or nervous about restrictions changing, if cases rise like people say we'll all be in lockdown from our phones all of August anyway*.

 

 

*I know people like reacting super serious to everything in this thread so just read that in a jovial tone with a nugget of humour in there

 

Well from what's been said above if you're double jabbed then you won't have to isolate. But obviously not everyone is and this would disproportionately affect young people.

[jimmillen]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

Let’s not forget that the NHS has been butchered for years by Tory cuts and has needed love and attention for years. It’s not going to recover to a perfect condition because it wasn’t in one beforehand. 

I couldn’t agree more. I’d feel a lot happier about a future of living with COVID if we had a properly funded, efficient and modern healthcare system. 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, kalifire said:

Since when is August “autumn”? 

Autumn started here in Manchester a couple of days ago.

[priest17]

2 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Well from what's been said above if you're double jabbed then you won't have to isolate. But obviously not everyone is and this would disproportionately affect young people.

From what I read above though the app doesn't know you're double jabbed so can you still use it to scan into places? Or is it show a vaccine passport to get in in that case? Obviously that causes its own problems.

I'm surprised anyone's suggesting this shit is ove July 19th. I'd be surprised if we were halfway through. 

Sorry, having a shit morning, don't normally post in here but seemed like the best place to come for a bit of a rant that I didn't have to take nuance or balance into consideration

[efcfanwirral]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

and this scientist arguing should keep restrictions till all vaccinated...

 

I think if we're going to have a problem with the NHS in autumn/winter then it's going to happen regardless of what we do now. With the backlog and respiratory season (covid and flu combined). We might as well enjoy the next 2-3 months now and worry about that when we get there - we got to low levels last summer and it made little difference in the end,  as zero covid isn't an option you'd still expect the same this year at the expected time

1 hour ago, gooner1990 said:

Masks vs No Masks its going to be like Brexiteer vs Remainer all over again.

Worse than that - it'll be "going out vs not going out" because of the masks or lack of them. I'll be wearing it on trains but expect to get abuse for it. 

1 hour ago, kalifire said:

Why would waiting for a short time to allow a greater protection against the virus be senseless, in your opinion? 

AZ is only 71% effective against hospitalisation after one jab but 92% after the second. So a wait of a few weeks until more people have been as protected as they can be would greatly limit avoidable hospitalisation and death.

I don’t follow that any delay would have to wait until winter. How come? 

To be fair younger people had a pretty small chance of death before vaccines anyway, and lesser chance of hospitalisation. One dose should keep them out of hospital - those percentages are surely overall (though it would be interesting to see them by age). Not necessarily yourself but people talking about needing everyone under 30 double vaccinated because they're "still at risk" on a personal level definitely have an (understandably after the fear campaign) warped perception of risk.

The argument that they'd then be less likely to spread it is a fair one but then as I said above, we could get to tiny levels and it'll still spread in winter, so best to get people catching it in summer when they've got the best chance themselves with warmer weather, sunlight etc

Edited July 6, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[steviewevie]

36 minutes ago, jimmillen said:

what that means. It’s complicated and a lot of the experts disagree too!

Just because politicians and Twitter reduce everything to conflict and taking sides doesn’t mean we need to do the same. 

Maybe I’m over optimistic for a discussion forum 😂

only a couple of weeks left so gloves are off I reckon.

[DeanoL]

 

12 hours ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I’m sorry for being mean.

 

I don’t believe that we all want out of this though. There are posters who have clearly expressed a preference to keep restrictions. 

There's a difference between what people like me want, and what we think is the right thing to do. Like, I might want to have a hot night of passion with Denzel Washington. But just because I want it, doesn't mean I start campaigning for the government to change the rules to ensure that happens. Or even that, if someone came along and said "we've sorted that for you, it's going to happen" I would just go "hurrah" and jump right in, I'd go "Hang on, how have you made that happen? Is informed consent involved?"

I do wonder some times what the life outlook of some people on here is when they can't comprehend the idea that someone wouldn't just take what they wanted given half the chance. That if someone is against the easing of restrictions, it's because they must like lockdown, rather than having a whole host of other reasons for having that opinion.

You can have opinions, even strongly held opinions, that don't agree with your personal desires. If you've never tried it before, you totally should.

[Zoo Music Girl]

8 minutes ago, priest17 said:

From what I read above though the app doesn't know you're double jabbed so can you still use it to scan into places? Or is it show a vaccine passport to get in in that case? Obviously that causes its own problems.

I'm surprised anyone's suggesting this shit is ove July 19th. I'd be surprised if we were halfway through. 

Sorry, having a shit morning, don't normally post in here but seemed like the best place to come for a bit of a rant that I didn't have to take nuance or balance into consideration

Javid is going to announce about the double jabbed thing today so not sure about all the details, but yeah the trace app isn't linked to your personal info. So it would be more guidance about how to react to being pinged or not. You'd still be able to scan into places if you wanted to but I think that just becomes guidance too.

[steviewevie]

 

[Zoo Music Girl]

11 minutes ago, priest17 said:

From what I read above though the app doesn't know you're double jabbed so can you still use it to scan into places? Or is it show a vaccine passport to get in in that case? Obviously that causes its own problems.

I'm surprised anyone's suggesting this shit is ove July 19th. I'd be surprised if we were halfway through. 

Sorry, having a shit morning, don't normally post in here but seemed like the best place to come for a bit of a rant that I didn't have to take nuance or balance into consideration

Actually just reading it again, I think you might be confusing the two apps. Test and trace is linked to your phone only. The NHS app is the one that has vaccine status on it and is a separate thing.

[steviewevie]

 

[zahidf]