When will this shit end?

[Memory Man]

41 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

So if on the lower end, a standard winter flu seasons worth. Justifiable? Quite possible. Given a lot of them will be 80+ Etc. Not nice but we need to re-reconcile with ourselves that yes people do die and if it wasnt for this it would be something else shortly. 
 

is it possible that we still have a less bad flu season too as surely theres not a massive amount of that going round due to loads still WFH mask wearing and taking precautions? Just theorising.

[Fuzzy Afro]

Random thought, but on current case trajectories basically anyone who hasn’t been vaccinated will have caught the Delta variant over the next month or two anyway. Current restrictions are doing very little to stop that and token measures like keeping masks on public transport would do even less.

 

So basically the government might as well do something, either reimpose lockdown (which there is very little appetite for now) or relax the rules altogether. The current halfway house is actually a worst of both worlds approach. 

[steviewevie]

8 hours ago, zahidf said:

That's just about OK. Anything more than that is unacceptable 

We just don't know how bad things will be this winter, depends on how bad flu is, if they've rolled out booster vaccines, if they've vaccinated kids, variants etc. But if do bring back restrictions will be the easier ones first like masks and test/trace. I don't think it's going to be plain sailing from the 19th though...going to take a while...

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

Not just picking on you but have you selected which family member you are willing to sacrifice? And have you told them so they understand it’s for the greater good?

I have a top 10.

[Memory Man]

15 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Whilst I understand the efforts to relieve fears quite a lot of people have jumped on the zero Covid bandwagon now. So it’s going to be a long adjustment period.

One look at twitter yesterday particularly a lot of the big centrist accounts with high reactions confirms this. People need to get real and understand its far too late for zero / low covid

[zahidf]

Seems like the best option we've taken

[dotdash79]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I have a top 10.

I knew you would 😉

[JoeyT]

Strap in 👀

 

[steviewevie]

They were talking about this on newsnight last night...kind of agree with Bradshaw...

 

[dotdash79]

13 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

It's not some sort of purge where picking one person from the family will save the others  - people died before Covid, people have been dying through Covid of other things and people will die of Covid and other things after Covid. 

Some stuff just comes down to your genetics and luck. 

There are years where there are deaths at Glastonbury - should we cancel it because of that? 

Whilst you can’t stop deaths should you stop trying to prevent deaths where possible?

when there is a death at Glastonbury or other events an inquest is held and lessons are looked to be learnt and changes implemented. 

[steviewevie]

...and also had this tory mp arguing about civil liberties..

 

[philipsteak]

21 minutes ago, zahidf said:

End it but with an option for a variant form to comeback?

Enough is enough

[steviewevie]

and this scientist arguing should keep restrictions till all vaccinated...

 

[dotdash79]

18 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

That’s not what he said at all, lol.

Pre-Covid it was a fact of life and post-Covid is a fact of life. Everyone wishes the best health for all family members and friends but we know it’s unrealistic. Don’t understand how you’ve reached this conclusion.

We know how to reduce deaths by covid, whilst you can’t prevent every death you can reduce it. There is a balance to be struck with other impacts. But if your ok with deaths then why wouldn’t you be ok with my question. 

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

21 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Whilst I understand the efforts to relieve fears quite a lot of people have jumped on the zero Covid bandwagon now. So it’s going to be a long adjustment period.

Thankfully, I avoid any social media outside of this website to get a sense of the wider public's perception and I'm happy to say that I don't know of anyone who believes zero Covid is the only solution. I'm surrounded by people who are pleased with the relaxation of restrictions and each are approaching it with varying degrees of caution based upon their own individual circumstances and beliefs. Common sense and vaccination. There's your solution. Unfortunately, we have too much polarised opinion again and because of that, yes, I agree, the adjustment period will be a long one. Longer than it needs to be

[eFestivals]

The tin foil hatters are keeping their heads down they don't have anything to say about the restrictions ending which they said would never end!

[Matt42]

18 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Yep.

Effectively saying that you don’t want people to have their freedoms back is a dangerous game to play.

I’ve become very disillusioned with the party recently and can’t think I’m the only one.

Not the only one. It’s absolute clusterfuck. Terrible leadership. Terrible message. Terrible strategy.

Their direction is absolutely clueless, and they think that this “well if the tories fuck up people will vote us” approach will work.

Newsflash but people don’t vote that way. Labour need to focus on being a stronger party, rather than just sitting and praying for a Tory scandal.

[Matt42]

3 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

We know how to reduce deaths by covid, whilst you can’t prevent every death you can reduce it. There is a balance to be struck with other impacts. But if your ok with deaths then why wouldn’t you be ok with my question. 

But there is no acceptable number to the zero Covid crowd? The government have got real and realised this is the best it’s going to be. If we reopened next summer we’d have the same numbers.

[zahidf]

Convid.... Ha ha ha ha

https://www.nme.com/news/music/morrissey-slams-con-vid-pandemic-society-as-like-slavery-in-new-interview-2986281?amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

Moz is at it again

[Matt42]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

and this scientist arguing should keep restrictions till all vaccinated...

 

But not everyone is going to get the vaccine.

This is the problem that these guys have. They don’t understand the concept of personal freedom / free choice. They can’t fathom that not everyone wants to act as they do.

Every adult has been offered a vaccine. That’s all we can do.

Edited July 6, 2021 by Matt42

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Not the only one. It’s absolute clusterfuck. Terrible leadership. Terrible message. Terrible strategy.

Their direction is absolutely clueless, and they think that this “well if the tories fuck up people will vote us” approach will work.

Newsflash but people don’t vote that way. Labour need to focus on being a stronger party, rather than just sitting and praying for a Tory scandal.

you'll probably find a lot of people support that they think govt is beingf reckless.

People moan at labour when they support govt, and moan when they oppose. If you support the govt, and think labour are wrong, vote tory.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

But not everyone is going to get the vaccine.

This is the problem that these guys have. They don’t understand the concept of personal freedom / free choice. They can’t fathom that not everyone wants to act as they do.

Every adult has been offered a vaccine. That’s all we can do.

they've not been fully vaccinated.

[kalifire]

3 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Every adult has been offered a vaccine. That’s all we can do.

Has every adult been given a reasonable chance to get one? Genuine question.

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

you'll probably find a lot of people support that they think govt is beingf reckless.

People moan at labour when they support govt, and moan when they oppose. If you support the govt, and think labour are wrong, vote tory.

It’s not that they just oppose, but they need to offer an alternative. At the moment they don’t.

Their strategy has been “maybe it will take one more Tory scandal and people will vote us by default”. Which is not a strategy at all, and if anything will probably lead to an increase in Tory votes.

They need to be a better choice than the tories. Not a 2nd option on the ballot.

Edited July 6, 2021 by Matt42

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, kalifire said:

Has every adult been given a reasonable chance to get one? Genuine question.

Everyone 18+ can book their jab. Those who have their second jab in the calendar have the option to move it forward.

What more can the government do? They can’t knock on people’s doors and shove it into their arms? There are limits.

If some people can’t be bothered to book one it’s not to the governments fault. Nor should the population suffer the consequences.

Edited July 6, 2021 by Matt42