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Bob Vylan Chants


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32 minutes ago, dulcificum said:

Curious how that chant is problematic but 20 months of actual genocide and the IDF killing 15,000 actual children is fine.

 

The police are investigating this but not a single British citizen who signed up with the IDF to commit war crimes before returning to the UK. 

 

Exactly- some people seem more focused on scrutinising those protesting one of the most evil (and ongoing) massacres rather than the actual evil ongoing massacre- I genuinely don't get how.

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1 hour ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

Never have I seen a crowd openly shouting for death on someone/group at a Glastonbury performance. I don't think I've even seen that level of hatred and incitement and open calls for killing at an EDL or BNP rally.

 

A very low point for the festival.

 

I'm curious how the festival/anyone can defend open calls for death.

 

 

 

 

 

 


experience war/genocide in your family and then you can talk. 

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1 hour ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

Never have I seen a crowd openly shouting for death on someone/group at a Glastonbury performance. I don't think I've even seen that level of hatred and incitement and open calls for killing at an EDL or BNP rally.

 

A very low point for the festival.

 

I'm curious how the festival/anyone can defend open calls for death.

 

 

 

 

 

 

But he wasn’t chanting to kill people he was chanting for the death of an organisation. The IDF is not a person!  

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Soldiers in the Israeli military have told the Israeli news outlet Haaretz that aid distribution centers in Gaza have become “a killing field,” with military leadership ordering soldiers to fire on unarmed Palestinians. 

 

Massacres at aid distribution sites have become a common occurrence in recent weeks as the Israeli military ever so slightly loosened its blockadeagainst humanitarian aid into Gaza, and tasked itself with aid management under the so-called Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF). The Palestinian Health Ministry, which is run by Hamas, estimates that 549 have been killed and several thousands injured near aid sites since late May, when the foundation first began operations.

 

The United Nations estimated that least 410 had been killed at aid sites over a similar time frame. 

 

Soldiers and officers in the Israeli Defense Forces who spoke to Haaretz paint a bleak picture of the scene, indicating the killings are the result of IDF policies targeting civilians in violation of international law. 

 

“Where I was stationed, between one and five people were killed every day,” one soldier said. “They’re treated like a hostile force — no crowd-control measures, no tear gas — just live fire with everything imaginable: heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars. Then, once the center opens, the shooting stops, and they know they can approach. Our form of communication is gunfire.” 

 

The same soldier called the scene “a killing field,” adding that he was “not aware of a single instance of return fire. There’s no enemy, no weapons.” 

 

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/israeli-soldiers-shoot-unarmed-palestinians-aid-gaza-1235373984/

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1 hour ago, stokelad84 said:

The Eavis family should be fined for firstly booking them and secondly openly endorsing their stance. 

 

Seen dozens of bands give Palestein a shout out, but now one has suggested Hamas release their hostages. Weird that.

Opposing ethnic cleansing and genocide is not the same as supporting Hamas x1000.

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5 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Opposing ethnic cleansing and genocide is not the same as supporting Hamas x1000.

 

Tell your Hamas buddies to stop using women and children as human shields then.

 

Ironically it was your side that invaded a music festival to murder and rape Isreali's. But you lot give them a free pass.

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This was a completely avoidable mess and the organisers do have to take some of the flack.
If they wanted them to play that is fair, but at least put them on first thing in the day before the streams begin. I know footage would have leaked anyway, but it wouldn’t have made main stream news. This was live on iPlayer .. Just a bit of common sense could have helped. 

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1 minute ago, st dan said:

This was a completely avoidable mess and the organisers do have to take some of the flack.
If they wanted them to play that is fair, but at least put them on first thing in the day before the streams begin. Just a bit of common sense. 

In the past few months we've seen a Labour government openly attempt to censor protest groups and artists as well as control what should or should not appear at the festival. 

If anything they should give Kneecap and Bob Vylan surprise prime time slots on the Pyramid stage so the weasels at the BBC cannot avoid broadcasting them. The idea of organisers engaging in some form of self-censorship is, no offense, a terrible one.

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5 minutes ago, st dan said:

This was a completely avoidable mess and the organisers do have to take some of the flack.
If they wanted them to play that is fair, but at least put them on first thing in the day before the streams begin. I know footage would have leaked anyway, but it wouldn’t have made main stream news. This was live on iPlayer .. Just a bit of common sense could have helped. 

So you think the festival should be complicit in hiding the strength of feeling that many in this country have about the atrocities being committed?

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1 minute ago, noisenoiseandmorenoise said:

In the past few months we've seen a Labour government openly attempt to censor protest groups and artists as well as control what should or should not appear at the festival. 

If anything they should give Kneecap and Bob Vylan surprise prime time slots on the Pyramid stage so the weasels at the BBC cannot avoid broadcasting them. The idea of organisers engaging in some form of self-censorship is, no offense, a terrible one.


Well it would hardly be censorship, as less than 100 performances are broadcast out of the thousands across the weekend. Your argument would stand if only Kneecap and Bob Vylan weren’t shown and every single other act was. And you could argue their political views aside, they are probably only sized for a smaller stage, or early on the bigger ones. 
Not looking to get involved in a political debate here, all I’m saying is this could have been handled better. And I don’t mean by first vetting and cherry picking what to show like they did with Kneecap, which is probably the worst option of the lot. 

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2 minutes ago, nban2010 said:

People endorsing/justifying either side exclusively in this thread should check in with themselves. 

 

Both things can be true.

 

It can be absolutely awful and rage-inducing what is happening, but can also be totally unaccepptable for wishing death on folk. You can show your rage without needing to go low. And it's certainly not in the Glasto ethos.

 

Shame really.

 

Absolutely spot on. 

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2 minutes ago, nban2010 said:

People endorsing/justifying either side exclusively in this thread should check in with themselves. 

 

Both things can be true.

 

It can be absolutely awful and rage-inducing what is happening, but can also be totally unaccepptable for wishing death on folk. You can show your rage without needing to go low. And it's certainly not in the Glasto ethos.

 

Shame really.

 

I am not sure anyone on here is in a position to gatekeep the glastonbury ethos to be honest.

 

The IDF is a military force not a person so using the word death is in this instance is way to express strength of sentiment, there seems a strong willingness for people not comprehend this because i guess it makes them uncomfortable.  

 

The people that can change the situation are not doing enough.   

 

Israeli politicians say worse things regularly and guess how much coverage it gets in 'our' media.  These are the people that can change things but it's Bob Vylan getting coverage.

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3 minutes ago, Gommy said:

 

I am not sure anyone on here is in a position to gatekeep the glastonbury ethos to be honest.

 

The IDF is a military force not a person so using the word death is in this instance is way to express strength of sentiment, there seems a strong willingness for people not comprehend this because i guess it makes them uncomfortable.  

 

The people that can change the situation are not doing enough.   

 

Israeli politicians say worse things regularly and guess how much coverage it gets in 'our' media.  These are the people that can change things but it's Bob Vylan getting coverage.

 

Well said.

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Btw go to the greenpeace 'apocalypse museum' i think that's what it's called.

 

They have a bit about hiding your face from digital surveillance.  It says for use in protest/action situations.... 

 

I personally think a chant is not likely too mis-aligned to the fest.

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19 minutes ago, nban2010 said:

People endorsing/justifying either side exclusively in this thread should check in with themselves. 

 

Both things can be true.

 

It can be absolutely awful and rage-inducing what is happening, but can also be totally unaccepptable for wishing death on folk. You can show your rage without needing to go low. And it's certainly not in the Glasto ethos.

 

Shame really.

who wished for death on folk?

I would personally chant death to the monarchy. I am not calling for Charlie to be executed. I am calling for the death of an institution. 
Death to the IVF is NOT calling for the death of members of the IVF just death to the entity. 
I personally didn’t join that chant but to twist the words used to deflect from the message is wrong 

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2 minutes ago, tarw said:

who wished for death on folk?

I would personally chant death to the monarchy. I am not calling for Charlie to be executed. I am calling for the death of an institution. 
Death to the IVF is NOT calling for the death of members of the IVF just death to the entity. 
I personally didn’t join that chant but to twist the words used to deflect from the message is wrong 

 

You must be exhausted with so much mental gymnastics going on in your cranium. 

 

I bet you've convinced yourself "From the River to the Sea" is a peaceful gesture also? 

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