Bob Vylan Chants

[BBC7BBCHEAVEN]

24 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

And again, Israel is the equivalent of Ukraine here. They are the two defending countries here.

 

Glastonbury have made this mess themselves by siding with groups that would rather "up" Hamas and Hezbollah rather than with the only liberal democracy in the Middle East. 

 

 

 

 

What an absolutely insane take. Israel, who have been committing a long and targeted genocide on an indigenous population, are on par with Ukraine for you?

 

I'd love to hear the thinking behind this

[Punksnotdead]

I watched the set live on iPlayer and mostly enjoyed it but towards the end it started to leave a bad taste in the mouth. I think the point where he said "we are not pacifists, we believe in violence" was where it crossed the line & was always going to provoke a condemnation from GFL.

 

Was it anti-Semitic? Probably not.

Was it hate speech? Maybe, maybe not.

Was it inciting violence? 100% yes.

[BobMahelp]

1 minute ago, panda97 said:

Complete avoidance of the question clearly shows you have realised your point was a bit silly

 

I think comparing the ongoing ethnic cleansing of a state is a bit different to comparing those that happened centuries ago

 

Those that were alive and suffered the effects first hand absolutely had a right to fight back and demand that their territory be returned, just like those in Palestine currently suffering do. The native Americans were right to resist and fight back against the settlers invading their land.

 

Descendants 200 years later that have been born and grown up under a completely different situation not quite so much

Right, so here’s where I view the situation

 

Palestinians absolutely have the right to fight back against further incursions into their territory

 

I don’t agree with calls to prevent Israel existing at all though. 1967 border please.

[Colorblindjames]

11 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

 

And whoosh, you've missed the point. 

 

Moral relativity, anyone?!

You made the false equivalence between Palestine action and the IDF. 

[tarw]

1 minute ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

 

Like the people at Glastonbury chanting death to people, you mean have experienced those things? Cos there's barely anyone within the 12 foot fence who have experienced either. 

You keep saying that the crowd were chanting death to people, do you think that if you keep repeating it that it will become accepted fact?  In the same way as saying that criticism of the Israeli government is anti-Semitic to undermine the criticism. 
I have not experienced the results of either in my family. I really don’t think that I have to to think that the actions of the Israeli government are morally and ethically repugnant. 
Before you ask I also think the actions of Hamas are morally repugnant as well. 

[BBC7BBCHEAVEN]

12 minutes ago, BobMahelp said:

 

Maybe in Ireland, yes. The Middle East is different. There are two neighbouring religions who want to exterminate one another.

Lol

 

Yeah, and I bet you think the troubles in Ireland were about catholics Vs protestants

[Spindles]

Download link of the set for those who want to find out what the band have to say for themselves:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/418vbjvg70khsyh/Bob_Vylan_-_Glastonbury_2025_UNEDITED.mp4/file

[panda97]

2 minutes ago, BobMahelp said:

Right, so here’s where I view the situation

 

Palestinians absolutely have the right to fight back against further incursions into their territory

 

I don’t agree with calls to prevent Israel existing at all though. 1967 border please.

Where in the set did Bob Vylan call for Israel to no longer exist?

[DeanoL]

14 minutes ago, BobMahelp said:

 

Maybe in Ireland, yes. The Middle East is different. There are two neighbouring religions who want to exterminate one another.

No, it's two governments who want to exterminate each other. The vast majority of Israelis and Palastinians would be perfectly happy to share the land and just respect their own traditions in their own communities. Especially if doing so radically reduced their chance of death. Israelis are not all fascist right-wing loonies, and Palestinians are not all uncivilised terrorists. They're literally just people like you and I. In some cases, literally relatives and friends of my colleagues and mates.

 

And 40 years ago people said the exact same thing about Ireland as well.

[DeanoL]

Let me phrase this a different way, and explain Emily's statement as well. 

 

I personally believe that sometimes, to achieve your political aims, violence is necessary. Antifa being a good example for one. Those values, and being broadly left, are part of my political outlook.

 

The outlook of Glastonbury is also politically left, but it has *always* condemned violence. It's from the part of the left that believe in pacifism, conscientious objection, peaceful protest and so forth. Or y'know, "hippies" in the old vernacular. 

 

This was a call to violence, so it absolutely crossed the festival's line because of the festival's pacifist outlook. That doesn't mean they don't support the cause, but they can't support violence to achieve that aim. 

 

And it has always been that way. The festival was not, to my knowledge, a regular hangout for Antifa back in the 80s either. It's left, it's radical left, but it's also radically pacifist.

 

And that's so hard to explain these days as it requires understanding the idea that there's not just "two sides" to everything. That there can be nuance in a position, and so that position still be perfectly logical.

 

(And to be clear, my opinion is much nearer to Bob's than Emily's on this matter. But being surprised that Glastonbury festival had condemned a call to violence shows a massive lack of understanding of what Glastonbury is)

Edited June 29, 2025 by DeanoL

[BobMahelp]

10 minutes ago, panda97 said:

Where in the set did Bob Vylan call for Israel to no longer exist?

He was complaining about Zionists.

 

Zionism means you support Israel’s right to exist in some form, doesn’t it? 

[noisenoiseandmorenoise]

13 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

 

It's easy to stay quiet when you've got no argument.

It is worth remembering in these situations that the words and arguments you make here will have no lasting meaning on anyone but yourself. We will not change anything (sadly), we will not even influence each other. The best you can hope for is that in some years time when you reflect on how you spent a Sunday morning, you did not find yourself on the side of justifying the very real horror of genocide and the very real deaths of 1000s of children.

[BobMahelp]

8 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

No, it's two governments who want to exterminate each other. The vast majority of Israelis and Palastinians would be perfectly happy to share the land and just respect their own traditions in their own communities. Especially if doing so radically reduced their chance of death. Israelis are not all fascist right-wing loonies, and Palestinians are not all uncivilised terrorists. They're literally just people like you and I. In some cases, literally relatives and friends of my colleagues and mates.

 

And 40 years ago people said the exact same thing about Ireland as well.

 

I wish that was true as much as you do, but if you truly believe that I have a bridge to sell you 

[panda97]

10 minutes ago, BobMahelp said:

He was complaining about Zionists.

 

Zionism means you support Israel’s right to exist in some form, doesn’t it? 

You are conflating different points 

 

His complaints are about the actions caused by zionism and how the product of it has been a genocide

 

At no point has he turned around and said "Israel shouldn't exist, let's commit a genocide against the Jews" which seems to be the way you have mistakenly interpreted it 

[BobMahelp]

4 minutes ago, panda97 said:

You are conflating different points 

 

His complaints are about the actions caused by zionism and how the product of it has been a genocide

 

At no point has he turned around and said "Israel shouldn't exist, let's commit a genocide against the Jews" which seems to be the way you have mistakenly interpreted it 

What’s his preferred solution to the conflict then if it’s not an Islamic genocide against Jewish people? 
 

Surely the 2SS is the only peaceful solution? 

[CaledonianGonzo]

Just now, BobMahelp said:

What’s his preferred solution to the conflict then if it’s not an Islamic genocide against Jewish people? 
 

Surely the 2SS is the only peaceful solution? 

 

Of course not.

[xxialac]

I worry about some people on here.

 

A staggering confidence in their views, combined with a staggering ignorance or ability to reason logically. 
 

IDF is killing innocent civilian children and their actions amount to ethnic cleansing.

 

If you can’t see the argument through this primary lens…

[Mand3]

36 minutes ago, Punksnotdead said:

I watched the set live on iPlayer and mostly enjoyed it but towards the end it started to leave a bad taste in the mouth. I think the point where he said "we are not pacifists, we believe in violence" was where it crossed the line & was always going to provoke a condemnation from GFL.

 

Was it anti-Semitic? Probably not.

Was it hate speech? Maybe, maybe not.

Was it inciting violence? 100% yes.

He was making a point. It wasn't inciting violence.

[BobMahelp]

3 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Of course not.

Go on, explain your suggestion then? 

[Nicklord]

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I worry about some people on here.

 

A staggering confidence in their views, combined with a staggering ignorance or ability to reason logically. 
 

IDF is killing innocent civilian children and their actions amount to ethnic cleansing.

 

If you can’t see the argument through this primary lens…

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we all agree on that (or at least 99% of the people)

 

Didn't see anyone disputing that. Several people have explained the issue with what Bob Vylan (or Kneecap) is doing and why it is actually doing more harm to the Palestinian cause than helping.

[verrymerry]

52 minutes ago, BBC7BBCHEAVEN said:

Ahhh classic.

 

Growing up in Northern Ireland I remember being used as a human shield by British soldiers. You probably wouldn't have a bad word to say about them though would you? 

 

Of course not, because you do t actually care about "women and children", it's just a pathetic straw man excuse 

I just wanted to say, I'm sorry this happened to you 😟

[Threestripes]

41 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I worry about some people on here.

 

A staggering confidence in their views, combined with a staggering ignorance or ability to reason logically. 
 

IDF is killing innocent civilian children and their actions amount to ethnic cleansing.

 

If you can’t see the argument through this primary lens…

I worry  about some people on here who don’t give a **** that there’s was 100s of kids raped killed and tortured at a music festival.

That doesn’t happen there would be zero virtue signalling over Palestine.

 

 

[xxialac]

34 minutes ago, Nicklord said:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we all agree on that (or at least 99% of the people)

 

Didn't see anyone disputing that. Several people have explained the issue with what Bob Vylan (or Kneecap) is doing and why it is actually doing more harm to the Palestinian cause than helping.

I really don’t see this thread at all as a debate on whether shouting death to the IDF does more harm to the cause than it is justifiable.

 

That is a far more nuanced and sophisticated debate which I would welcome.

 

 

 

[CaledonianGonzo]

1 minute ago, Threestripes said:

I worry  about some people on here who don’t give a **** that there’s was 100s of kids raped killed and tortured at a music festival.

That doesn’t happen there would be zero virtue signalling over Palestine.

 

 

 

October 7th was bad enough without having to make up a load of bullshit in an attempt to win an imaginary Internet point.

[Threestripes]

1 minute ago, xxialac said:

I really don’t see this thread at all as a debate on whether shouting death to the IDF does more harm to the cause than it is justifiable.

 

That is a far more nuanced and sophisticated debate which I would welcome.

 

 

 

Blows the mind we’re talking about Palestine on a thread about one of the best festivals on the planet.

Should a festival not be for enjoying yourself listening to music?

 

If it’s just a political festival now would the virtue signallers on here have no problem with someone going on stage shouting **** Hamas cowards and release the hostages ?