Bob Vylan Chants

[xxialac]

Speaking of irrelevant, truth-twisting Tory twats

 

Kemi Badenoch

@KemiBadenoch

This is grotesque. Glorifying violence against Jews isn’t edgy. The West is playing with fire if we allow this sort of behaviour to go unchecked.

[BBC7BBCHEAVEN]

3 hours ago, Threestripes said:

And with that al leave you to you your little echo chamber absolutely disgusting.

just to clarify your suggesting nova festival never happened?

 

So to clarify your answer to my first question is no you don't have any evidence.

 

Secondly you then try and put words in my mouth. Did I say the attack never happened? No, as everyone else tired of your bot rhetoric said - no need to make up further tragedies to an awful event. A military killing their own people during a terrorist attack though, you are fine with that apparently?

[xxialac]

Also on the Tories, last year they accepted a large cash sum from a donor, despite knowing that a few years prior he had said that Diane Abbott “should be shot”.

[flyingmonkeypigs]

9 hours ago, Threestripes said:

Never heard anyone mention Palestine at Glastonbury pre October 7th.

 

Are you mad? They’ve had debates/ awareness raising about in on the left field for 20 years (probably longer, but I can’t vouch further back than that)

Edited June 29, 2025 by flyingmonkeypigs

[Suprefan]

9 hours ago, Threestripes said:

Never heard anyone mention Palestine at Glastonbury pre October 7th.

 

 

you must not get out much. There was a whole thing when Radiohead played a gig  Israel in 2017. Slew of Palestine flags at their pyramid set. Stop acting ignorant cause you dont care.

Edited June 29, 2025 by Suprefan

[Blisterpack]

2 hours ago, flyingmonkeypigs said:

Are you mad? They’ve had debates/ awareness raising about in on the left field for 20 years (probably longer, but I can’t vouch further back than that)

I have gone back and checked every line up poster for leftfield available on the glasto website. Not a single debate on Palestine. 

[dicka]

I think what Vylan said was stupid and he should of chose his words wisely, I don't think calling for an organisation that is involved in genocide to die is a hate crime and in no way is it antisemitism like the usual suspects make out .  But since the incident the actual message has been lost and no most people are only talking about Vylan rather than the genocide currently happening. It would be obvious to anyone that the language used would blow up and the right wing scum in this country would use it to demonise people who actually care and hinder any good you are trying to do.   

[FuzzyDunlop]

I will be surprised if the festival is ever  back on the beeb now.

 

 

[dicka]

18 minutes ago, FuzzyDunlop said:

I will be surprised if the festival is ever  back on the beeb now.

 

 

I was thinking similar yesterday, but it will certainly help make sure that the Tories and Reform Ltd will stop it being broadcast via the BBC if they get into power.

[BlocCapacitator]

Bit of a worrying state that people seem to excuse a terrible chant by comparing it directly to the atrocities happening during the Israel-Palestine War. Obviously, a chant isn't as bad as what's happening, but that doesn't mean the chant itself is excusable, otherwise anyone could excuse any kind of terrible behaviour by comparing it to even worse things.

 

It's a shame this had to happen in the first place, but Glastonbury were warned this kind of thing could happen and now it has. 

[philipsteak]

11 hours ago, andyrhodes24 said:

That on-stage dance walk thing was worse, burned into my retinas for all time.

 

I'm far too delicate right now to have that memory resurfaced

[onemoresolo]

In some strange parallel universe where a Glastonbury artist made a horrendous comment about migrants, how do we reckon that would be received by the press? It strikes me that things like Glastonbury are one of the few ways left wing voices get amplified in this country so what a surprise that the papers leap on anything to shut that down.

[xxialac]

10 minutes ago, BlocCapacitator said:

Bit of a worrying state that people seem to excuse a terrible chant by comparing it directly to the atrocities happening during the Israel-Palestine War. Obviously, a chant isn't as bad as what's happening, but that doesn't mean the chant itself is excusable, otherwise anyone could excuse any kind of terrible behaviour by comparing it to even worse things.

 

It's a shame this had to happen in the first place, but Glastonbury were warned this kind of thing could happen and now it has. 

Chanting for a military organisation (not a person) in a far away land (no chance of reprisals) to 'die' in the context of said army slaughtering innocent civilian children and committing war crimes = "terrible"

 

Really?

[BlocCapacitator]

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Chanting for a military organisation (not a person) in a far away land (no chance of reprisals) to 'die' in the context of said army slaughtering innocent civilian children and committing war crimes = "terrible"

 

Really?

 

Wishing death kinda goes against all the love and peace ethos of the fest, if you ask me.

 

Feel for all the Jewish people who had to hide their identity during what should be a lovely break away. A lot of people want to go and enjoy themselves, instead we've got Jews who are hiding themselves at what should be the most tolerant place on Earth.

 

 

 

[CaledonianGonzo]

And yet the only actual attack weve heard about was the red paint thrown at Kneecap fans by - presumably - people with a love and passion for genocide.

 

These people are feeling uncomfortable because they're zionists being confronted with the horror that entails, not unsafe because they're Jewish and likely to be attacked.  And that would be true of e.g. Christian zionists, of whom there are presumably far more in the UK

[xxialac]

25 minutes ago, BlocCapacitator said:

 

Wishing death kinda goes against all the love and peace ethos of the fest, if you ask me.

 

Feel for all the Jewish people who had to hide their identity during what should be a lovely break away. A lot of people want to go and enjoy themselves, instead we've got Jews who are hiding themselves at what should be the most tolerant place on Earth.

 

 

 

What plonkers. 
 

People can chant for the end of state sponsored genocide in Israel and simultaneously not harbour the slightest ill feeling towards Jewish people.

[DeanoL]

13 hours ago, Suprefan said:

 

HAHAHAHAHHAHAH yes they do. Its called Youtube. They can handle the web traffic and already have a multiview option. Youre funny. Coachella has 7 channels during the festival and it changes instantly to the other stage. Or you can place diff stages on your screen and just move the cursor for the audio feed. You lot know nothing about NFL Sunday Ticket and what innovations to sports viewing its brought. Now its happening to music live streams. Youtube would be open to everyone around the world and nobody has to use a vpn. Glasto can use the ad revenue to earn even more to donate to charity and such. But oh right, lets stay stuck in the past and stick with some bullshit content controller.

I agree technically it would be better, but the two big questions are:

1) is YouTube interested enough to match the BBC on funding it and 

2) being available worldwide isn't necessarily a good thing, as it means it's harder to actually negotiate agreements with the artists.

 

The other questions are around if artists would value the exposure on YouTube as much as on the BBC, and the other wider question of if without the BBC, Glastonbury retains its cultural relevance in the UK.

[BlocCapacitator]

Indifference at Jews feeling like they need to hide themselevs. It's like something directly out of history or an Anne Frank passage, but happening in real time. Can't believe this is a Glastonbury forum. Starting to sound more like a witchhunt every page this thread goes on

 

[foolsgold1981]

2 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

The other questions are around if artists would value the exposure on YouTube as much as on the BBC, and the other wider question of if without the BBC, Glastonbury retains its cultural relevance in the UK.

 

Glastonbury will be absolutely fine for at least the next twenty years without a single second being broadcast on any medium. It's fully-rooted in the national consciousness 

[SpencerF]

Personally see both sides of the argument, but feel it's worth mentioning how contradictory a lot of points are.

 

I get the whole 'don't stay silent' point of view, though do feel there's a time, place and a certain bit of self-awareness one has to have. You can't argue that 'you cannot stay silent, if you have a platform you should say something', while also saying that 'chanting realistically does nothing', while also getting angry at people who don't want to hear constant chanting/political discourse over their weekend, if it really does 'do nothing'.

 

You also can't get angry at people taking advantage of their platform to support a worthy cause and rightly chant for the end of state sponsored genocide and war crimes, especially when the only annoyance is 'it's everywhere and I'm bored of it', as that's rather ignorant.

 

I feel the mistake a lot of people make is believing everyone is as intelligent as they are, and thus as clued up. There will definitely be some people in that crowd who have no idea the IDF is a military entity and were joining in the chant anyway, they would have joined in on it regardless due to everyone around them doing so - it's human nature, but it's also a very dangerous tool in the wrong hands. 'It's making people aware, so they go and do their own research' is a poor excuse when - more likely than not - that just won't happen.

 

End of the day, it reminds of a few lyrics from Kendrick Lamar's 'Saviour'- '1 protest for you, 365 for me' and it does ring rather true. All well and good bringing your flags and chanting and making a point on stage or in the crowd, but at the end of the day, what have you really achieved if you just pack it all back and go back to your normal life the next day apart from stoke certain fires further? 

[xxialac]

14 minutes ago, BlocCapacitator said:

Indifference at Jews feeling like they need to hide themselevs. It's like something directly out of history or an Anne Frank passage, but happening in real time. Can't believe this is a Glastonbury forum. Starting to sound more like a witchhunt every page this thread goes on

 

Kindly show me the reports were Jewish people were attacked, insulted or abused at Glastonbury?

 

You won't be able to, as this fear was in their minds only.

 

It's no different to being a Russian living in the UK. Any decent person will be able to separate out the actions of a government from private individuals who happen to be from that country.

 

 

Yes, there will always be a very small and ignorant minority who can't.

 

But here the need to hold Israel to account for genocide including of children massively outweighs any other concerns.

 

Israel is the party entirely responsible for these people's discomfort, not Bob Vylan or Glastonbury itself.

 

 

 

[narwhal]

23 minutes ago, BlocCapacitator said:

Indifference at Jews feeling like they need to hide themselevs. It's like something directly out of history or an Anne Frank passage, but happening in real time. Can't believe this is a Glastonbury forum. Starting to sound more like a witchhunt every page this thread goes on

 

Anne Frank was the victim of appalling state violence. Frankly preposterous to compare that with the unspecified feeling of discomfort that two people claim, without evidence, that they may have experienced had they gone to a field that they didn't, to see two acts they didn't see. 

[pryce]

24 minutes ago, foolsgold1981 said:

 

Glastonbury will be absolutely fine for at least the next twenty years without a single second being broadcast on any medium. It's fully-rooted in the national consciousness 

a lot of Bands would not accept a lesser fee with zero exposure

[foolsgold1981]

5 minutes ago, pryce said:

a lot of Bands would not accept a lesser fee with zero exposure

That's a fair point!

[dirtysteve]

1 minute ago, pryce said:

a lot of Bands would not accept a lesser fee with zero exposure

 

There's no chance of "zero exposure"; if the BBC contract isn't extended, then it'll go to a streaming service. And that'd be big money coming in, which'd allow for more market-rate fees to be paid anyway. This article from a few days ago suggests $100M or so coming in if the (5 year?) contract ends up in a bidding war amongst the streamers:

 

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/The-i-paper/20250627/281964613706186?srsltid=AfmBOorhEiMjEsV6MdM-qYYUjpL1sYYw47vwbxeq4B2bOfMKlXaknWNr

 

Like I said a few pages back, traditional TV is dying, the BBC especially so. It is inevitable that it ends up with a streamer. The BBC contract expires in 2027 I read, I personally would not be surprised if this year's Festival will be the last on the BBC - Starmer will force them to pull out as the pressure from the right-wing rags and Reform/Tories will not relent, they'll be like a dog with a bone about this Bob Vylan stuff.