Bob Vylan Chants

[BobMahelp]

6 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

 

Because they stole someone else's land to do it and have spent the decades since immiserating the indigenous population.  The holocaust was a European crime but it's the Palestinians who've ultimately paid the price for it.

Also the premise of your argument is that the Jews stole the land in 1948 and that it, by rights, should be Muslim land.

 

However going back further in time it was Jewish land, the Muslims won it centuries ago. 
 

Bringing in another partitioned nation, what about Korea? Should Korea be reunified? If so, should it be controlled by the communists in Pyongyang or the Western allies in Seoul? 

[dicka]

6 minutes ago, Spindles said:

Damn, if only they could find witnesses.  It's not like anyone is denying what happened, just that many feel that there are bigger things we should be talking about than whether it's wrong to call for the death of an occupying army who are openly committing war crimes as they ethnically cleanse a population.

I agree we should be talking about other things, Vylan's message on the background screen was gaining traction on social media before the comments, and that would of got everyone  talking about the genocide currently happening.  His stupidity means everyone is only talking about the incident and the right are using it to their full advantage.

[BobMahelp]

2 minutes ago, hfuhruhurr said:

Bob, that made me laugh. If you're not laughing, then I'm sorry. 

It should be no surprise when Western governments take sympathetic lines towards our allies in the Middle East such as Israel and Saudi Arabia and clamp down hard on our enemies.

 

If WW3 ever happens, NATO countries will want others on their side.

[Spindles]

8 minutes ago, BobMahelp said:

Where should the Holocaust surviving Jews have gone then? 

I am not speaking for anyone else when I say this, but I have no problem whatsoever with the existence of the state of Israel.  I believe that a solution was required that gave the Jewish people a homeland after the appalling horror of the 30s and 40s.  I take issue with a powerful minority within the Israeli state who have pushed to demonise, dehumanise and destroy the native population that they share the land with.  There is more than just tacit approval from the state for the settler movement, for example, and the recent documentary on the subject included leading members of the settler movement openly stating that they receive state support and encouragement despite being illegal.

 

If it were me I'd be looking to implement a proper 2 state solution and not the crap pseudo partition we have now.  That would mean displacing people though, on both sides and the recognition of the state of Palestine as a nation with agreed borders and all the protection of UN membership and representation.  It wouldn't be popular, but I think it is essential.

[narwhal]

18 minutes ago, BobMahelp said:

October 7th death toll was in the four figures (Nova festival was only part of the October 7th atrocities)

 

Is it possible that the kids that were allegedly raped and murdered according to the poster above were not Nova attendees but were raped and murdered as part of these attacks?

The claim of that poster was specific to the Nova festival. I'm not disputing a low four figure overall death toll for Oct 7. 

 

Oct 7 was horrific enough without the need for people to make sh*t up in my opinion. 

[BobMahelp]

1 minute ago, Spindles said:

I am not speaking for anyone else when I say this, but I have no problem whatsoever with the existence of the state of Israel.  I believe that a solution was required that gave the Jewish people a homeland after the appalling horror of the 30s and 40s.  I take issue with a powerful minority within the Israeli state who have pushed to demonise, dehumanise and destroy the native population that they share the land with.  There is more than just tacit approval from the state for the settler movement, for example, and the recent documentary on the subject included leading members of the settler movement openly stating that they receive state support and encouragement despite being illegal.

 

If it were me I'd be looking to implement a proper 2 state solution and not the crap pseudo partition we have now.  That would mean displacing people though, on both sides and the recognition of the state of Palestine as a nation with agreed borders and all the protection of UN membership and representation.  It wouldn't be popular, but I think it is essential.

A truly stunning post. Agree with every word 👏🏻👏🏻

[CaledonianGonzo]

Jesus Christ

10 minutes ago, BobMahelp said:

Where should the Holocaust surviving Jews have gone then? 
 

And don’t get me started on your last sentence which is horrifically anti-Semitic and bordering on holocaust denialism.

 

This is a very serious thing to throw at someone and is in no way warranted by anything that I've posted in this thread.  I'm out.

 

[Mr.Tease]

35 minutes ago, The Nal said:

So they've been dropped by The United Talent Agency and has their US Visa revoked for their "hateful tirade at Glastonbury"

 

But Netanyahu is still welcome

[Mr.Tease]

19 minutes ago, hfuhruhurr said:

20 Palestinians killed today. Silence from PM, some knob uses a clumsy rhyme in a song and total outrage. 

Ffs.

 

To be fair, he's busy trying to make the life of people with disabilities more difficult and poorer (which apparently is not appalling)

[BobMahelp]

4 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Jesus Christ

 

This is a very serious thing to throw at someone and is in no way warranted by anything that I've posted in this thread.  I'm out.

 

You suggested that Palestinians are the group who “ultimately paid the price” for the holocaust.

 

In my book the actual victims of the holocaust are the ones who “ultimately paid the price”. The Jews, and the communists, and the socialists, and the trade unionists, and the LGBT community and anyone who dared to speak up against the German regime at the time.

 

You would do very well to remember that.

[Threestripes]

36 minutes ago, narwhal said:

Thousands of "kids" (most of the casualties were likely over 18 owing to the nature of the festival) weren't raped or killed at the Nova festival.

 

The death toll from the Nova festival was 378. Can you cite the source that confirms thousands of children were raped at the Nova festival please?  

Kids to me is 18 years old ah wasn’t meaning children ffs.

 

So 378 kids were murdered at nova festival.

And not a peep from the virtue signallers at Glastonbury.

 

Al ask you a question see if that happened at any music festival in the uk what exactly would you want to happen?

 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2025 by Threestripes

[Spindles]

Let's just skip past any actual argument made and instead look for ways to demean anyone with a differing opinion.  That'll help.

[narwhal]

Just now, Threestripes said:

Kids to me is 18 years old ah wasn’t meaning children ffs.

 

So 378 kids were murdered at nova festival.

And not a peep from the virtue signallers at Glastonbury.

 

 

 

Ok so thousands of 18 year olds and over 18s were killed and raped at the Nova festival was your original claim which you've now rowed back. 

 

For something you're quite worked up about you're not very well informed about it. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

4 minutes ago, BobMahelp said:

You suggested that Palestinians are the group who “ultimately paid the price” for the holocaust.

 

In my book the actual victims of the holocaust are the ones who “ultimately paid the price”. The Jews, and the communists, and the socialists, and the trade unionists, and the LGBT community and anyone who dared to speak up against the German regime at the time.

 

You would do very well to remember that.

 

Don't try to patronise me. I'm fully aware of the extent of the holocaust and who the victims were.

 

Do you understand what words mean?  By paying the price I mean *are being held accountable for*

 

Not *were victims of*

 

In the long term the Palestinian people have found themselves stateless and living under apartheid and genocide as a result of a crime committed by Europeans.

[xxialac]

5 minutes ago, Threestripes said:

Kids to me is 18 years old ah wasn’t meaning children ffs.

 

So 378 kids were murdered at nova festival.

And not a peep from the virtue signallers at Glastonbury.

 

Al ask you a question see if that happened at any music festival in the uk what exactly would you want to happen?

 

 

 

I knew it. The people in their 20s are kids defence. Textbook.

 

And naturally 1000s and 378 are one and the same.

 

When you exaggerate like that you have lost the argument before you have even hit submit.

[xxialac]

4 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Don't try to patronise me. I'm fully aware of the extent of the holocaust and who the victims were.

 

Do you understand what words mean?  By paying the price I mean *are being held accountable for*

 

Not *were victims of*

 

In the long term the Palestinian people have found themselves stateless and living under apartheid and genocide as a result of a crime committed by Europeans.

BobNaHelp...

[Spindles]

Ah well, I guess this beats the annual 'glastonbury gripes' threads and gives us all a way to get our negativity back in gear after the serotonin has been depleted.

 

Looks like the boys won't be playing the US again any time soon.  They put out their own music, so no label to drop them, but I'll be interested to see if this affects their live bookings in anything other than the short to medium term. 

[BobMahelp]

2 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Don't try to patronise me. I'm fully aware of the extent of the holocaust and who the victims were.

 

Do you understand what words mean?  By paying the price I mean *are being held accountable for*

 

Not *were victims of*

 

In the long term the Palestinian people have found themselves stateless and living under apartheid and genocide as a result of a crime committed by Europeans.

The statelessness, genocide and apartheid are all out of order and should be rectified ASAP.

 

However, it would be regrettable if the same three things happen to the Jewish population as a result.

 

That’s why the only two feasible answers are either a peaceful two state solution on the 1967 borders or a one state solution with a constitutional agreement to guarantee power to both religions. And I fear the latter would end in civil war before the strawberries and cream are served at Wimbledon tomorrow.

[gizmoman]

32 minutes ago, dicka said:

I agree we should be talking about other things, Vylan's message on the background screen was gaining traction on social media before the comments, and that would of got everyone  talking about the genocide currently happening.  His stupidity means everyone is only talking about the incident and the right are using it to their full advantage.

Yes, he got carried away, would have been far smarter to have toned it down so the message got across without giving ammunition to the "enemy". Suspect he's having regrets about having his young daughter up on stage with him too, not good to get her involved.

[Threestripes]

23 minutes ago, narwhal said:

Ok so thousands of 18 year olds and over 18s were killed and raped at the Nova festival was your original claim which you've now rowed back. 

 

For something you're quite worked up about you're not very well informed about it. 

Yeh apologies it was over 1000 over the full day in diffrent parts of the country including families with babies.

Anything to say about that?

 

[yosoyyoberdi]

I actually met a jewish person in the festival and when I asked about their country of origin they were clearly scared to tell me and said that they had been living in the UK for a few years. It is not a surprise that they feel threatened by all the chants going around over the weekend, not only Bob Vylan.

Edited June 30, 2025 by yosoyyoberdi

[Colorblindjames]

39 minutes ago, Spindles said:

I am not speaking for anyone else when I say this, but I have no problem whatsoever with the existence of the state of Israel.  I believe that a solution was required that gave the Jewish people a homeland after the appalling horror of the 30s and 40s.  I take issue with a powerful minority within the Israeli state who have pushed to demonise, dehumanise and destroy the native population that they share the land with.  There is more than just tacit approval from the state for the settler movement, for example, and the recent documentary on the subject included leading members of the settler movement openly stating that they receive state support and encouragement despite being illegal.

 

If it were me I'd be looking to implement a proper 2 state solution and not the crap pseudo partition we have now.  That would mean displacing people though, on both sides and the recognition of the state of Palestine as a nation with agreed borders and all the protection of UN membership and representation.  It wouldn't be popular, but I think it is essential.

A two state solution is nonsense. Impractical and simply copper fastens Israel’s apartheid. It’s the knee jerk answer of any politician that hasn’t a clue. We didn’t create a 2 state solution for South Africa nor should there be one here. 

[Threestripes]

18 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I knew it. The people in their 20s are kids defence. Textbook.

 

And naturally 1000s and 378 are one and the same.

 

When you exaggerate like that you have lost the argument before you have even hit submit.

Well I’m over 50 so they are kids to me.

 

Can I ask you a question since you seem to be a fan boy.

 

See when people shout free Palestine should it not be free Palestine from Hamas ?since it’s Hamas who fires rockets into Israel,its Hamas who’s spent billions on tunnels,it’s Hamas that hides behind civilians,and its hamas who’s killing there own people who try take food aid,and its Hamas who still won’t release the hostages.

[steviewevie]

44 minutes ago, Spindles said:

I am not speaking for anyone else when I say this, but I have no problem whatsoever with the existence of the state of Israel.  I believe that a solution was required that gave the Jewish people a homeland after the appalling horror of the 30s and 40s.  I take issue with a powerful minority within the Israeli state who have pushed to demonise, dehumanise and destroy the native population that they share the land with.  There is more than just tacit approval from the state for the settler movement, for example, and the recent documentary on the subject included leading members of the settler movement openly stating that they receive state support and encouragement despite being illegal.

 

If it were me I'd be looking to implement a proper 2 state solution and not the crap pseudo partition we have now.  That would mean displacing people though, on both sides and the recognition of the state of Palestine as a nation with agreed borders and all the protection of UN membership and representation.  It wouldn't be popular, but I think it is essential.

All this.

There has to be an appreciation why there was a need for a Jewish state, but the partition of Palestine and aftermath have been a disaster.

[xxialac]

9 minutes ago, Threestripes said:

Yeh apologies it was over 1000 over the full day in diffrent parts of the country including families with babies.

Anything to say about that?

 

Yeah.

 

First it was kids (and Im over 50s too btw and wouldn’t write kids to describe adults in their 20s).

 

And it was 1000s killed at the festival.

 

You were challenged on these obviously nonsense falsehoods and now instead of retreating in shame you are doubling down?