Bob Vylan Chants

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, narwhal said:

You'd be in dispute with Theodor Herzl then, the founder of modern Zionism, who believed in no such thing. He did believe in a form of proto apartheid (denial of work to non-Jews) to force the Arab population.

 

He envisaged the Arab population would be deported to other countries. No two state solution appears in the core foundational texts of Zionism. 
 

 Herzl, Theodor, The Complete Diaries (N.Y. Herzl Press, 1969), vol. I, p. 88.

Full quote...

When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently the private property on the estates assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country.The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly … It goes without saying that we shall respectfully tolerate persons of other faiths and protect their property, their honor, and their freedom with the harshest means of coercion. This is another area in which we shall set the entire world a wonderful example … Should there be many such immovable owners in individual areas [who would not sell their property to us], we shall simply leave them there and develop our commerce in the direction of other areas which belong to us.

[narwhal]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Full quote...

When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently the private property on the estates assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country.The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly … It goes without saying that we shall respectfully tolerate persons of other faiths and protect their property, their honor, and their freedom with the harshest means of coercion. This is another area in which we shall set the entire world a wonderful example … Should there be many such immovable owners in individual areas [who would not sell their property to us], we shall simply leave them there and develop our commerce in the direction of other areas which belong to us.

 

Not sure what you think this is proving. He is saying that non-property owners will be expelled. He is then saying that those non-Jews who do own property will be encouraged to sell to Jews, to create the ethno-state and those that remain will be economically excluded ("develop our commerce in the direction of other areas").

 

[Skip997]

I’ve only just got back and only just read the opening post on this topic.

 

Wake up people. Bobby wasn’t shouting for people being killed, he was shouting for an end to the IDF. 
 

The real disgrace here is Emily using the antisemitism card. I was on the barrier for both Bob Vylan and Kneecap. Not one antisemitic word was spoken. 
 

Be careful folks, use your brains and seriously consider which side you’re on. 
 

Those couple of hours were among the most important in the history of the festival. 

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

4 hours ago, HotChipWillBreakYourLegs said:

 

Whereas the IDF do serve a purpose, committing genocide, and are still relevant by continuing the genocide.

 

The IDF do serve a purpose, that we can agree on. To defend the Israeli people against terrorist attacks and the 20k missiles sent into Israel since 2001. 

 

If only the Palestinians had had a modicum of acceptance of Israel exisiting where Jews have lived for millenia and accepted a two state solution the many times it's been offered.

 

Again, about the whole genocide thing. Urban warfare stats show that it's not a genocide. 

 

 

[xxialac]

7 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

I’ve only just got back and only just read the opening post on this topic.

 

Wake up people. Bobby wasn’t shouting for people being killed, he was shouting for an end to the IDF. 
 

The real disgrace here is Emily using the antisemitism card. I was on the barrier for both Bob Vylan and Kneecap. Not one antisemitic word was spoken. 
 

Be careful folks, use your brains and seriously consider which side you’re on. 
 

Those couple of hours were among the most important in the history of the festival. 

It is the most childish, transparently self serving line of argument to imply that any criticism of the Israeli government is an attack against its people, let alone their religion.

[xxialac]

Just now, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

Again, about the whole genocide thing. Urban warfare stats show that it's not a genocide. 

 

 

Genuinely seek help mate. 

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

7 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Genuinely seek help mate. 

 

That's all you have? Ad hominem personal insults?

[she bangs the drums]

17 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

I’ve only just got back and only just read the opening post on this topic.

 

Wake up people. Bobby wasn’t shouting for people being killed, he was shouting for an end to the IDF. 
 

The real disgrace here is Emily using the antisemitism card. I was on the barrier for both Bob Vylan and Kneecap. Not one antisemitic word was spoken. 
 

Be careful folks, use your brains and seriously consider which side you’re on. 
 

Those couple of hours were among the most important in the history of the festival. 

The flag shaggers were looking for trouble even before the music at the festival started with photos and comments about the wall keeping people out etc. They spent all weekend looking to spread more right-wing hatred. 

[Skip997]

7 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

 

The IDF do serve a purpose, that we can agree on. To defend the Israeli people against terrorist attacks and the 20k missiles sent into Israel since 2001. 

 

If only the Palestinians had had a modicum of acceptance of Israel exisiting where Jews have lived for millenia and accepted a two state solution the many times it's been offered.

 

Again, about the whole genocide thing. Urban warfare stats show that it's not a genocide. 

 

 

Christ almighty. It’s a genocide. And you’re a lunatic. Maybe you should take heed of ME words “if you don’t agree with our politics, maybe you should go elsewhere”

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

5 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Christ almighty. It’s a genocide. And you’re a lunatic. Maybe you should take heed of ME words “if you don’t agree with our politics, maybe you should go elsewhere”

 

Yeah, maybe everyone defending BV should go somewhere else, because they quickly changed their policies didn't they after the death chants? EE was appalled by it, so if you're here defending it, then your boss/the event organiser wants you not to come back.

Edited July 1, 2025 by MEGATRONICMEATWAGON

[SheffJeff]

7 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

 

The IDF do serve a purpose, that we can agree on. To defend the Israeli people against terrorist attacks and the 20k missiles sent into Israel since 2001. 

 

If only the Palestinians had had a modicum of acceptance of Israel exisiting where Jews have lived for millenia and accepted a two state solution the many times it's been offered.

 

Again, about the whole genocide thing. Urban warfare stats show that it's not a genocide. 

 

 

 

So you disagree with the UN and Amnesty International? 

 

The acts of genocide described by experts and human rights organisations include large-scale killing, use of starvation as a weapon of war, destruction of civilian infrastructure, attacks on healthcare workers, and forced displacement.

 

Do you accept that any of these are happening?

 

And here's some stats pre October 7th.

 

[Skip997]

I really hope people realise just how important this is and how brave it was for Bobby to stick his head on the block like that. 
 

For the sadly confused and brainwashed on here, maybe you can take some solace in the extreme likelihood that Bob Vylan will never play the festival again. 
 

 

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

6 minutes ago, SheffJeff said:

 

So you disagree with the UN and Amnesty International? 

 

The acts of genocide described by experts and human rights organisations include large-scale killing, use of starvation as a weapon of war, destruction of civilian infrastructure, attacks on healthcare workers, and forced displacement.

 

Do you accept that any of these are happening?

 

And here's some stats pre October 7th.

 

 

Yes, the Palestinian Authority should be really trusted with those facts. After they lied for decades about not using hospitals and schools for their weapons' caches... all the tunnels they didn't have. 

 

I'm not denying that people have died? It's a war, of course people will die in war? The only war that hasn't resulted in deaths is the Whisky War - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_War

 

But to call it a genocide is just an insult to actual accounts of genocide. 

 

In 1939 there were around 10 million Jews in Europe. 6 years later there were 6 million less. That's a 60% drop.

 

In Gaza, after two years, around 65k people have died. Out of 2.1 million. 

 

That's a 3% drop.

 

Genocide it is not.

[BobMahelp]

18 minutes ago, SheffJeff said:

 

So you disagree with the UN and Amnesty International? 

 

The acts of genocide described by experts and human rights organisations include large-scale killing, use of starvation as a weapon of war, destruction of civilian infrastructure, attacks on healthcare workers, and forced displacement.

 

Do you accept that any of these are happening?

 

And here's some stats pre October 7th.

 

 

Death numbers are a poor way to measure the morally correct side in a war.

 

All these numbers tell me is that the Israel side is more competent at defending its people than the Palestine side 

 

If you don’t believe that Hamas and similar factions would quite happily have killed just as many Israelis as the IDF has Palestinians, I have a bridge to sell you. Hamas incompetence is the only reason why Israeli death numbers are as low as they are.

 

Besides, if you’re going to use the “whichever side killed the most civilians is the morally wrong side” argument, then by that standard the Germans were in the right in WW2 as they lost many times more civilians than we did 

[Pr0paneNightm4re]

7 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

 

Yes, the Palestinian Authority should be really trusted with those facts. After they lied for decades about not using hospitals and schools for their weapons' caches... all the tunnels they didn't have. 

 

I'm not denying that people have died? It's a war, of course people will die in war? The only war that hasn't resulted in deaths is the Whisky War - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_War

 

But to call it a genocide is just an insult to actual accounts of genocide. 

 

In 1939 there were around 10 million Jews in Europe. 6 years later there were 6 million less. That's a 60% drop.

 

In Gaza, after two years, around 65k people have died. Out of 2.1 million. 

 

That's a 3% drop.

 

Genocide it is not.

This is an abhorrent defence. Not a genocide cos not enough people have died, yet! compared to the most infamous genocide of all time.
The UN and Amnesty International describe it as a genocide. 
Jesus Christ have a look at yourself 

[SheffJeff]

13 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

 

Yes, the Palestinian Authority should be really trusted with those facts. After they lied for decades about not using hospitals and schools for their weapons' caches... all the tunnels they didn't have. 

 

I'm not denying that people have died? It's a war, of course people will die in war? The only war that hasn't resulted in deaths is the Whisky War - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_War

 

But to call it a genocide is just an insult to actual accounts of genocide. 

 

In 1939 there were around 10 million Jews in Europe. 6 years later there were 6 million less. That's a 60% drop.

 

In Gaza, after two years, around 65k people have died. Out of 2.1 million. 

 

That's a 3% drop.

 

Genocide it is not.

 

One genocide does not justify another genocid and the fact you say only 65k people have died so far means I'm out. There's f**k all anyone can say to get you to see things differently. FYI If the roles were reversed and it was the Palestinians doing this to Israelis I would be calling it a genocide as well and I have no doubt Bob Vylan would have been calling them out on it too.

[tigger123]

15 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

 

Yes, the Palestinian Authority should be really trusted with those facts. After they lied for decades about not using hospitals and schools for their weapons' caches... all the tunnels they didn't have. 

 

I'm not denying that people have died? It's a war, of course people will die in war? The only war that hasn't resulted in deaths is the Whisky War - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_War

 

But to call it a genocide is just an insult to actual accounts of genocide. 

 

In 1939 there were around 10 million Jews in Europe. 6 years later there were 6 million less. That's a 60% drop.

 

In Gaza, after two years, around 65k people have died. Out of 2.1 million. 

 

That's a 3% drop.

 

Genocide it is not.

I’d take a breather before posting again, you’re not helping yourself with posts like this

[xxialac]

Not only are the IDF targeting civilians, they are gleefully stating as much and/or have been caught many times trying (and failing) to cover up genocidal atrocities.

 

I’d go one step further and say it represents ethnic cleansing.

 

How anyone other than the most brainwashed can defend the Israeli state’s actions against the evidence of their own eyes is beyond me.

[Nobby's Old Boots]

The mental gymnastics being performed to attempt to deny this being a genocide is nothing short of unhinged.

[SheffJeff]

21 minutes ago, BobMahelp said:

 

Death numbers are a poor way to measure the morally correct side in a war.

 

All these numbers tell me is that the Israel side is more competent at defending its people than the Palestine side 

 

If you don’t believe that Hamas and similar factions would quite happily have killed just as many Israelis as the IDF has Palestinians, I have a bridge to sell you. Hamas incompetence is the only reason why Israeli death numbers are as low as they are.

 

Besides, if you’re going to use the “whichever side killed the most civilians is the morally wrong side” argument, then by that standard the Germans were in the right in WW2 as they lost many times more civilians than we did 

 

Can't be arsed to be honest as you're not listening to points being made but if that bridge you keep trying to sell people is in Gaza then it's probably already been bombed.

 

And as to WW2 civilian deaths, not that I think that's got f**k all to do with this conversation, where are you getting your stats from?

 

[steviewevie]

All it seems to have done is give people another excuse to bash the BBC.

[BobMahelp]

8 minutes ago, Nobby's Old Boots said:

The mental gymnastics being performed to attempt to deny this being a genocide is nothing short of unhinged.

People can argue about what terms to use describe Israel’s behaviour. It’s not a relevant discussion though.

 

Let’s stick to the facts. 65,000 Palestinian civilians have been killed since October 7 2023. Surely by any measures that goes WAY beyond a justified self-defence and proportional retaliation to what happened that day.

[BobMahelp]

1 minute ago, SheffJeff said:

 

Can't be arsed to be honest as you're not listening to points being made but if that bridge you keep trying to sell people is in Gaza then it's probably already been bombed.

 

And as to WW2 civilian deaths, not that I think that's got f**k all to do with this conversation, where are you getting your stats from?

 

A quick google shows that Germany lost 1.5-3 million civilians in WW2 and the UK lost 70,000

[autoinflate]

33 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

 

 

But to call it a genocide is just an insult to actual accounts of genocide. 

 

 

Genocide isn't defined by the number of people dead, i.e. how succesful the Genocide has been, but by the intent and actions of the perpetrators. It's explicitly defined in international law, and Israel has met the criteria in this case.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, but it's both ignorant and incorrect.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

All it seems to have done is give people another excuse to bash the BBC.

I guess it has raised Bob Vylan's profile like Kneecap's was...but also has now got him banned him from touring in the US and possibly facing police charges.

I think the difference made in the middle east is probably negligible. I don't think shouting Death to the IDF or something about a f**king zionist I used to work for will change many minds, infact will probably just put more people off the pro palestinian cause. But, pro palestine people will love it, and that was the audience I guess.