Bob Vylan Chants

[Comfy Bean]

2 minutes ago, autoinflate said:

 

Genocide isn't defined by the number of people dead, i.e. how succesful the Genocide has been, but by the intent and actions of the perpetrators. It's explicitly defined in international law, and Israel has met the criteria in this case.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, but it's both ignorant and incorrect.

Nicely put 👍

 

As an aside, has anyone checked the farm for any wealthy festival goers still cowering in their tents after Bob’s “Eat the Rich” signage 🤔 

[Spindles]

25 minutes ago, BobMahelp said:

A quick google shows that Germany lost 1.5-3 million civilians in WW2 and the UK lost 70,000

Are we really doing this?  

 

Ghengis Khan was a right c**t as well, doesn't excuse a damned thing. 

[xxialac]

19 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I guess it has raised Bob Vylan's profile like Kneecap's was...but also has now got him banned him from touring in the US and possibly facing police charges.

I think the difference made in the middle east is probably negligible. I don't think shouting Death to the IDF or something about a f**king zionist I used to work for will change many minds, infact will probably just put more people off the pro palestinian cause. But, pro palestine people will love it, and that was the audience I guess.

They won't be successfully prosecuted, the law doesn't support this.

 

And yes, the difference will be negligible in isolation but protests can gather momentum and if we all have the attitude that there is no point trying, then the establishment will always win.

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, xxialac said:

They won't be successfully prosecuted, the law doesn't support this.

 

And yes, the difference will be negligible in isolation but protests can gather momentum and if we all have the attitude that there is no point trying, then the establishment will always win.

Yes fair enough, but just saying the significance of this to what happens in middle east is being overplayed. Think it will probably have more of an effect on the future of BBC coverage of Glastonbury and the BBC itself.

[SheffJeff]

53 minutes ago, BobMahelp said:

A quick google shows that Germany lost 1.5-3 million civilians in WW2 and the UK lost 70,000

 

WW2 was fought between the allies and the axis... when you said 'we' I assumed you meant the allies and not England. Yes Germany lost more civilians than England but I'm not sure what that's got to do with Bob Vylan or the current genocide. FYI In WW2 Jewish and Muslim Palestinians fought side by side together against the axis.

Edited July 1, 2025 by SheffJeff
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[lazyred]

1 hour ago, autoinflate said:

 

Genocide isn't defined by the number of people dead, i.e. how succesful the Genocide has been, but by the intent and actions of the perpetrators. It's explicitly defined in international law, and Israel has met the criteria in this case.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, but it's both ignorant and incorrect.

The stated aims of Israel are to stop Hamas and retrieve the hostages. Genocide specifically involves the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Where is your evidence that Isreal has gone beyond war crimes and committed genocide? I know people on here will think this post is bonkers but I think it is important to keep the distinctive definition of genocide. 

[Skip997]

I’ve just written an email to Emily about her incorrect and dangerous use of antisemitism in reference to the Bob Vylan set. Also mentioning that Rod Stewart is a Nigel Farage supporter. Doubt I’ll get a reply 

[Skip997]

7 minutes ago, lazyred said:

The stated aims of Israel are to stop Hamas and retrieve the hostages. Genocide specifically involves the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Where is your evidence that Isreal has gone beyond war crimes and committed genocide? I know people on here will think this post is bonkers but I think it is important to keep the distinctive definition of genocide. 

The stated aims aren’t what is discussed behind the doors of the government and military leaders. The stated aims are to placate the rest of the world. It really doesn’t matter what they say in public, what matters is their actions. This is genocide 

[1986]

IDF kill another 50+ starving civilians today alone. 
 

Can’t believe someone would want to see the death of such an honourable institution. 

[pryce]

Love Bob Vylan seen them many times 

Should of just said down with the IDF or f**k the IDF 

 

This would of got some news and then blown over 

 

But with the horrible way the media work and how it's pressures others to act ..I can see them being done for incitiing violence.

 

The media and right wingers will have a field day if nothing happens saying you can call for the death of one group but ask for a building to be burnt down gets you prison time.

 

 

 

 

[lazyred]

1 minute ago, Skip997 said:

The stated aims aren’t what is discussed behind the doors of the government and military leaders. The stated aims are to placate the rest of the world. It really doesn’t matter what they say in public, what matters is their actions. This is genocide 

I asked for evidence of intent not what you think is happening behind closed doors. The war crimes are enough to condemn Isreal. Using words like genocide and holocaust against Israel is a deliberate attempt to undermine the case for Israel existing as a country. 

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, lazyred said:

I asked for evidence of intent not what you think is happening behind closed doors. The war crimes are enough to condemn Isreal. Using words like genocide and holocaust against Israel is a deliberate attempt to undermine the case for Israel existing as a country. 

The evidence of intent is there. There is no tactical military reason for shooting civilians queuing for food. Even if there are Hamas members among them, I’m confident the IDF have the skills to target individuals 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Skip997 said:

The evidence of intent is there. There is no tactical military reason for shooting civilians queuing for food. Even if there are Hamas members among them, I’m confident the IDF have the skills to target individuals 

Well they’ve shown that haven’t they they have the most expensive precision weaponary and still somehow manage to kill 20k plus children 

[Mand3]

11 minutes ago, lazyred said:

I asked for evidence of intent not what you think is happening behind closed doors. The war crimes are enough to condemn Isreal. Using words like genocide and holocaust against Israel is a deliberate attempt to undermine the case for Israel existing as a country. 

There's children starving 

[xxialac]

7 minutes ago, pryce said:

The media and right wingers will have a field day if nothing happens saying you can call for the death of one group but ask for a building to be burnt down gets you prison time.

 

 

 

 

Lucy Connolly wrote "set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b******* for all I care… if that makes me racist so be it.” in the midst of some riots - and later that week arsonists indeed attacked a hotel full of asylum seekers.

 

Perhaps would have added this hugely relevant context to "she asked for a building to be burnt down"...

[autoinflate]

21 minutes ago, lazyred said:

The stated aims of Israel are to stop Hamas and retrieve the hostages. Genocide specifically involves the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Where is your evidence that Isreal has gone beyond war crimes and committed genocide? I know people on here will think this post is bonkers but I think it is important to keep the distinctive definition of genocide. 

 

I think those stated aims are just words being used to justify the genocidal actions and intent. Meanwhile, there are other words being used by the Israeli government that implicate the genocidal actions and intent. 

 

Moreover, there is plentiful evidence of actions to show this is genocide, by the legal definition. The Amnesty International report is good reading in this regard, and I agree with their conclusion.

[Blisterpack]

9 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Lucy Connolly wrote "set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b******* for all I care… if that makes me racist so be it.” in the midst of some riots - and later that week arsonists indeed attacked a hotel full of asylum seekers.

 

Perhaps would have added this hugely relevant context to "she asked for a building to be burnt down"...

Not in any way defending her but she did also delete her tweet within a short space of time and apologised unreservedly for what she wrote. 
personally I think her sentence was very severe, and I think a prosecution of BV would be inappropriate. An apology for the ambiguity of language might help - is that something they might consider? 

[lazyred]

6 minutes ago, autoinflate said:

 

I think those stated aims are just words being used to justify the genocidal actions and intent. Meanwhile, there are other words being used by the Israeli government that implicate the genocidal actions and intent. 

 

Moreover, there is plentiful evidence of actions to show this is genocide, by the legal definition. The Amnesty International report is good reading in this regard, and I agree with their conclusion.

The ICC (for individuals) and the ICJ  (for states) rule on genocide. Warrants have been issued for war crimes in Gaza but not for genocide yet. 

[Skip997]

3 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

An apology for the ambiguity of language might help - is that something they might consider? 

If I understand Bobby like I think I understand him (I’ve seen them multiple times) then I doubt it. 
 

“I said what I said”. 
 

He was spot on with pointing out that artists should use their platform. This whole situation is a lot more serious and far reaching than I fear a lot of people realise. Now is not the time to back down 

[xxialac]

7 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

Not in any way defending her but she did also delete her tweet within a short space of time and apologised unreservedly for what she wrote. 
personally I think her sentence was very severe, and I think a prosecution of BV would be inappropriate. An apology for the ambiguity of language might help - is that something they might consider? 

By the time she took it down (several hours) it had been viewed over 300000 times. Should have taken it down sooner! She also doubled down in a subsequent tweet.

 

Her sentence for her was in fact the opposite of severe. It was at the very low end of the sentencing guidelines. Now whether the law should be changed is a different matter. 
 

Sentences are always harsher in the context of times of rioting. I don't think any party will ever campaign on a platform to water this down.

[mattiloy]

35 minutes ago, lazyred said:

I asked for evidence of intent not what you think is happening behind closed doors. The war crimes are enough to condemn Isreal. Using words like genocide and holocaust against Israel is a deliberate attempt to undermine the case for Israel existing as a country. 

 

It’s really not. Germany still exists. It’s just a call to stop a genocide. The evidence is the rhetoric of ministers of the Israeli government.

 

They are deliberately using death, destruction, starvation, as a means to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from the land that they want to annex.

 

Perhaps semantically if you say that since their goal is land rather than extermination, extermination being the means to acquire the land, then you might get off on a technicality, not really sure on the legal definitions, but make no mistake, the extermination is deliberate. The deliberate extermination of one ethnic group by another.

[Mand3]

8 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

If I understand Bobby like I think I understand him (I’ve seen them multiple times) then I doubt it. 
 

“I said what I said”. 
 

He was spot on with pointing out that artists should use their platform. This whole situation is a lot more serious and far reaching than I fear a lot of people realise. Now is not the time to back down 

He knew exactly what he was doing and he knew what was coming.

[Lionator]

If Glastonbury was such an anti-Semitic hell hole, why were 20,000+ (plus so many others locked out) so motivated to see openly Jewish Scissor Sisters, accompanied by the also Jewish Jessie Ware? 

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, Mand3 said:

He knew exactly what he was doing and he knew what was coming.

And he did the right thing. 

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, lazyred said:

The ICC (for individuals) and the ICJ  (for states) rule on genocide. Warrants have been issued for war crimes in Gaza but not for genocide yet. 

Yep..it hasn't officially been ruled as genocide, not yet anyway. There will be lots of evidence and court hearings I guess, not sure how the thing works.

Whether it is called genocide or not, it has to stop.