Bob Vylan Chants

[pryce]

2 minutes ago, dirtysteve said:

 

There's no chance of "zero exposure"; if the BBC contract isn't extended, then it'll go to a streaming service. And that'd be big money coming in, which'd allow for more market-rate fees to be paid anyway. This article from a few days ago suggests $100M or so coming in if the (5 year?) contract ends up in a bidding war amongst the streamers:

 

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/The-i-paper/20250627/281964613706186?srsltid=AfmBOorhEiMjEsV6MdM-qYYUjpL1sYYw47vwbxeq4B2bOfMKlXaknWNr

 

Like I said a few pages back, traditional TV is dying, the BBC especially so. It is inevitable that it ends up with a streamer. The BBC contract expires in 2027 I read, I personally would not be surprised if this year's Festival will be the last on the BBC - Starmer will force them to pull out as the pressure from the right-wing rags and Reform/Tories will not relent, they'll be like a dog with a bone about this Bob Vylan stuff.

i dont disagree , i was responding to someone saying zero exposure on any medium....so i think my opinion is a fair one

[xxialac]

8 minutes ago, narwhal said:

Anne Frank was the victim of appalling state violence. Frankly preposterous to compare that with the unspecified feeling of discomfort that two people claim, without evidence, that they may have experienced had they gone to a field that they didn't, to see two acts they didn't see. 

Could not agree more.

And not that it's relevant but do you think you are subject to more prejudice and hostility living in the UK as a Jewish person or as someone from Palestine? 

 

This couple, if they wanted to speak up, could have gone with something balanced and compassionate that speaks to both the awfulness of the atrocities in Gaza and in Israel but their primary concern was a self-absorbed one about an imaginary prejudice with no basis in evidence.

[Nobby's Old Boots]

1 hour ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

These people are feeling uncomfortable because they're zionists being confronted with the horror that entails, not unsafe because they're Jewish and likely to be attacked. 

That's just simply not true though, is it?

That any Jewish person who feels uncomfortable at the festival is a Zionist. That's dangerously close to the line IMO.

[onemoresolo]

8 minutes ago, dirtysteve said:

 

There's no chance of "zero exposure"; if the BBC contract isn't extended, then it'll go to a streaming service. And that'd be big money coming in, which'd allow for more market-rate fees to be paid anyway. This article from a few days ago suggests $100M or so coming in if the (5 year?) contract ends up in a bidding war amongst the streamers:

 

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/The-i-paper/20250627/281964613706186?srsltid=AfmBOorhEiMjEsV6MdM-qYYUjpL1sYYw47vwbxeq4B2bOfMKlXaknWNr

 

Like I said a few pages back, traditional TV is dying, the BBC especially so. It is inevitable that it ends up with a streamer. The BBC contract expires in 2027 I read, I personally would not be surprised if this year's Festival will be the last on the BBC - Starmer will force them to pull out as the pressure from the right-wing rags and Reform/Tories will not relent, they'll be like a dog with a bone about this Bob Vylan stuff.

I disagree personally, I think this stuff will blow over before too long.

 

Whether the festival has a future on the BBC is an interesting and separate question and more about money than editorial issues IMO. I can see one of the streamers taking it on but it will ultimately diminish the festival's cultural footprint in the UK. You can't underestimate the BBC's ability to make things they have the rights to feel like the biggest thing in the world through saturation of TV, radio, news and streaming. There's no way Glastonbury would be as prominent on their site if Netflix were showing it.

[Mr.Tease]

4 minutes ago, onemoresolo said:

I disagree personally, I think this stuff will blow over before too long.

 

Whether the festival has a future on the BBC is an interesting and separate question and more about money than editorial issues IMO. I can see one of the streamers taking it on but it will ultimately diminish the festival's cultural footprint in the UK. You can't underestimate the BBC's ability to make things they have the rights to feel like the biggest thing in the world through saturation of TV, radio, news and streaming. There's no way Glastonbury would be as prominent on their site if Netflix were showing it.

 

(everyone secretly thinking "ah, will this make it easier for me to get tickets?!")

[jannybruck]

BBC coverage is crucial to Glastonbury selling as many tickets as they do - it's obviously a huge institution as a festival and will always do well, but the wall-to-wall coverage really encourages people to mobilise and buy tickets. Putting it behind a walled garden on something like Netflix or Prime means it's going to have a lot less eyes on it.

[Mand3]

1 minute ago, jannybruck said:

BBC coverage is crucial to Glastonbury selling as many tickets as they do - it's obviously a huge institution as a festival and will always do well, but the wall-to-wall coverage really encourages people to mobilise and buy tickets. Putting it behind a walled garden on something like Netflix or Prime means it's going to have a lot less eyes on it.

That's probably a good thing, all these eyes are trying to control the festival.

[AtomsForPizza]

Would be interested to know how many were actually streaming Bob Vylan's set on iPlayer. I'd venture fewer than 10k. The manufactured outrage has given it far more reach than it would have had otherwise. 

 

Separately, I do think if the festival is going to be on TV/livestreamed then the best place for it is the Beeb

[Mainland source]

I genuinely can't believe that some people are so blinded that they can't see that what was said is not appropriate or helpful.

 

Whilst I am absolutely sickened by what the IDF are doing in Gaza (as I was likewise with the Oct 7 attacks) wishing death to the IDF is not the way to go about it given the way the world is these days...so filled with hatred and radical views. 

 

We have seen people murdered as a result of someone believing in a view and a cause that they felt is right (2 MP's as an example). 

 

We need to all be able to say what we believe in, however, understand that there is a way to go about it that doesn't inflate hatred towards a group of people (you a very naive if you think some people won't conflate the IDF to the Israeli community and Jewish people).

 

Glaso is a true pillar of free speech and peace, it's sad to see that both have been damaged by this very sad situation.

[steviewevie]

I was there for both although left half way through Kneecap and it was a big pro Palestine f**k Israel party and also fairly unpleasant. I preferred Bob Vylan, although not sure he'll play there again after the Death to the IDF chants.

[xxialac]

8 minutes ago, Mainland source said:

I genuinely can't believe that some people are so blinded that they can't see that what was said is not appropriate or helpful.

 

Whilst I am absolutely sickened by what the IDF are doing in Gaza (as I was likewise with the Oct 7 attacks) wishing death to the IDF is not the way to go about it given the way the world is these days...so filled with hatred and radical views. 

 

We have seen people murdered as a result of someone believing in a view and a cause that they felt is right (2 MP's as an example). 

 

We need to all be able to say what we believe in, however, understand that there is a way to go about it that doesn't inflate hatred towards a group of people (you a very naive if you think some people won't conflate the IDF to the Israeli community and Jewish people).

 

Glaso is a true pillar of free speech and peace, it's sad to see that both have been damaged by this very sad situation.

What chants would you recommend then to add to pressure on the Israeli government to stop murdering children?

 

Even one would be helpful.

 

And how do you know that such chants won’t cause hatred of Jewish people?

 

Edited June 30, 2025 by xxialac

[Joey Peeps]

There was an Israeli flag flown in the Pyramid field for much of the 2024 festival. As far as I'm aware said flag bearer wasn't torn to pieces and survived just fine. 

[NotAnInsider]

Don't the beeb pay for all the filming and broadcast infrastructure? Not sure there are many organisations as equipped to provide that much in the way of outside broadcast other than the BBC - the number of trucks and things they bring to Worthy Farm is a little bit insane.

 

A lot of the larger acts take lower fees - many of them taking a loss on playing at Glastonbury - with the labels being able to offset that though exposure on live TV. Sticking it on YouTube or whatever is going to totally erode that value so something will have to give somewhere and things will be different as a result.

 

In my view Glastonbury has always been about achieving things through peace and understanding one and other. If we cast our minds back a few short days there was a f**king massive peace sign painted on the pyramid field as if it wasn't obvious enough. On Wednesday we had peace activists from Israel and Palestine giving talks in the green fields about how we should seek a peaceful solution and at the heart of it, on both sides, are humans.

 

Hearing the lived experiences of those from the region promoting peace is the message that should resonate from the festival, not the 5 second remarks of some bloke from Ipswich or wherever.

[Lionator]

It’s weird on site, I’d pretty much forgotten about it but then have been hounded by ITV and Reuters on the way back to the car today. It just shows how detached the news is from the reality. 

[dirtysteve]

37 minutes ago, onemoresolo said:

I disagree personally, I think this stuff will blow over before too long.

 

I dunno man, the anti-semitism stuff was proven to be very sticky with Corbyn (I'm not trying to relitigate that whole fiasco, but it is undeniably a fact that accusations of anti-semitism was weaponised against him by every bad-faith actor in the country, and it worked - the enemies of the Festival/left-wing expression will not forget that). I think this will run and run if the red top newspapers and the Tories/Reform want it to, and Starmer will be forced to "take action" to try and save his own skin.

 

38 minutes ago, onemoresolo said:

Whether the festival has a future on the BBC is an interesting and separate question and more about money than editorial issues IMO. I can see one of the streamers taking it on but it will ultimately diminish the festival's cultural footprint in the UK. You can't underestimate the BBC's ability to make things they have the rights to feel like the biggest thing in the world through saturation of TV, radio, news and streaming. There's no way Glastonbury would be as prominent on their site if Netflix were showing it.

 

Yeah, the BBC gives it a big footprint, but it's not the only place that is saturated with Glastonbury stuff every summer; all the newspaper websites go big on Glastonbury as it gives them a lot of clicks, and a lot of ad impressions. Social media is alive with it. Every commercial radio station in the country talks about it. That won't cease just because the BBC take their foot off the gas with it. And whatever streamer ends up with it will use it extensively in their marketing to drive up subscriptions, it'll be wall to wall ads everywhere for "Glasto On Netflix, Sign Up Now!"

 

And ultimately, so what if the cultural footprint of it declines? In the 80s and 90s, the Festival was nowhere near as visible as it is today. Maybe that's what it really needs, a slight step back from National Treasure status? Is the right time for it, what with all the legacy acts ageing out, 2027 onwards could be the start of a realignment back towards truer current music culture? Who knows? All I know is, it's all starting to feel a little like we're at the high water mark and the waves are going to start rolling back.

 

Anyway, going way off topic here. I've had my say, over and out!

[The Nal]

18 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I was there for both although left half way through Kneecap and it was a big pro Palestine f**k Israel party and also fairly unpleasant. I preferred Bob Vylan, although not sure he'll play there again after the Death to the IDF chants.

 

And whisper it, they're a bit sh*t.

 

Fun for 45 mins last year in the Woodsies. Bit of ironic banter. 

[Spindles]

3 hours ago, FuzzyDunlop said:

I will be surprised if the festival is ever  back on the beeb now.

 

It has been interesting that compared to other years it has taken longer for sets to appear on iplayer, fewer sets are available and some (such as Amyl and the sniffers, just 12 mins of footage available) were heavily cut to remove references to the Palestinian genocide.

 

Even without Bob's incendiary chant there has been a deliberate and concerted effort to censor any mention of the Palestinian genocide by the BBC.  Shameful.

[Mand3]

9 minutes ago, Spindles said:

It has been interesting that compared to other years it has taken longer for sets to appear on iplayer, fewer sets are available and some (such as Amyl and the sniffers, just 12 mins of footage available) were heavily cut to remove references to the Palestinian genocide.

 

Even without Bob's incendiary chant there has been a deliberate and concerted effort to censor any mention of the Palestinian genocide by the BBC.  Shameful.

Yeah watching it live most acts mentioned Palestine this year! 

 

Trying to silence the growing concern of the genocide is shameful and that was Bob Vylans point. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

Is this something that Vylan always do at their gigs?  

[xxialac]

FFS the BBC have caved too and apologised, describing Vylan’s comments as “anti-semitic”

[Nicklord]

11 minutes ago, xxialac said:

FFS the BBC have caved too and apologised, describing Vylan’s comments as “anti-semitic”

I mean, they did use some slogans that Hamas and a few other groups are using to describe a country without any Jewish people. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand.

[HotChipWillBreakYourLegs]

1 hour ago, narwhal said:

Anne Frank was the victim of appalling state violence. Frankly preposterous to compare that with the unspecified feeling of discomfort that two people claim, without evidence, that they may have experienced had they gone to a field that they didn't, to see two acts they didn't see. 

 

This.

[xxialac]

7 minutes ago, Nicklord said:

I mean, they did use some slogans that Hamas and a few other groups are using to describe a country without any Jewish people. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand.

I mean Bob Vylan did use a name that anyone would acknowledge is used to refer to Bob Dylan, a Jewish person. I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand.

[Nicklord]

Just now, xxialac said:

I mean Bob Vylan did use a name that anyone would acknowledge is used to refer to Bob Dylan, a Jewish person. I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand.

Great. So it should be easy for them to stop using slogans that refer to removing any Jewish people from the area

[CaledonianGonzo]

Wonder how the reporter found them to interview them.  

 

Did she go around asking people if they were Jewish until someone said yes - which in itself would be odd and threatening behaviour.

 

But then why did the two folk centring themselves as victims answer that they were when they were suppposedly in hiding for their own safety.

 

Something doesn't add up!