gizmoman

Great story, wasn't aware of him.

Yes, the value was transferred, most people would think the 'money' went up in smoke, but in fact the value was transferred, either to the government or to the wider economy however you wish to view it. I believe they did it to get people to question the nature of currency and think about how paper money is an illusion, it has no intrinsic value.

? no it wasn't a direct payment, it was like counterfeiting in reverse. They destroyed some currency, that reduced the amount of currency supply increasing the value for everyone else holding it. The government could then print and spend another £1m which would return the supply to what it was. It wouldn't make a noticeable difference to the real economy but the £1m wasn't lost.

They essentially paid the government £1m in tax, the only value lost was the cost of reprinting the notes, a few hundred quid I would guess, irrelevant in the scheme of things.

The difference is that the KLF didn't lose the money they knew where it was going. No money was burned only currency.

Unlikely to have much effect in the long run, I suspect most items priced now at say £2.99 would be reduced to £2.95 rather than be increased to £3.05. The reality is that 1p and 2p are basically worthless at this point, it does make sense to scrap them, and I say this as an advocate of cash. The old copper 1p and 2p (pre 1992) are probably worth more than their face value in metal now, may well be worth hanging on to those.

Sorry that's your impression, I disagree but I really shouldn't have posted it in this thread, should have put in the Cyndi thread, might have got a less emotional and more reasoned response. Going to leave the subject now.

He never claimed she was miming, his point is she is singing live along with a pre recorded vocal, essentially a double tracked vocal. he even isolated her live vocal and comments on it.

Not sure why you want to try to make this a gender thing, Fil was comparing Dua to Cyndi, they are both female, he was pointing out the way the industry has changed with fewer acts playing totally live, as I said above this also applies to acts like The Go! Team. I mentioned Dolly miming too but I could also mention Frankie Valli, another older singer who also mimes, It's not a gender issue. There is no hate for Dua, not from me, she clearly put on a good show, as I said in the first post it is understandable for someone dancing throughout a set to have help. Fil delivers his analysis quite fairly IMO no hate there just an opinion on the performances, it's quite possible to look objectively at something and criticise or comment on aspects of it without having a personal dislike of the subject.

You did from me, I saw Dolly a few weeks before Glastonbury and realised then she was miming much of the time, I pointed it out on here and got a similar reaction, people just don't want to accept it. Dua WAS singing but her live voice was mixed with the recorded version, at least in the song Fil analysed, I expect most people are fine with that but there is no harm in pointing it out. I love The Go! Team and watched them on Avalon but they play along with a pre-recorded track so the music is not all truly live although they do sing live. It doesn't spoil my enjoyment but I do wish they would play properly live even if the overall sound wasn't as good. Acts that feature a lot of dancing have often mimed some of the show, Michael Jackson and Madonna for example and reportedly Taylor Swift recently. If you are happy with this then that's fine but if you are pretending it's all live you are just fooling yourselves.

Not difficult to sound great when much of the music and vocals are pre-recorded, understandable to a degree when she was dancing a lot but it's a bit of a stretch to call this a live performance given the analysis here, So Dua sounded great and Cyndi sounded sh*t, but a least she was doing it live. BTW Fil has been exposing the use of autotune , pitch correction and other fakery in the business for quite some time, you might not like this message but he is a champion of real live music.

First went in 97, very muddy but it didn't put us off, missed the next few years due to family/work commitments but returned in 2002, first superfence year and been to everyone since except last year when I finally ran out of luck on ticket day and resale. We do other festivals, this year Bearded, Beautiful Days and Northern Kin, all geared to an older demographic and so much easier to get around, might go to Equinox too, not been before and it looks interesting.

Cockup or conspiracy? I usually favour conspiracy!, but you may well be right. Yes the pumps are calibrated 1/2 pint pours, once the first 1/2 was in, the second one caused the cup to overflow, some went down the tray maybe they fixed it later and I was just unlucky.

Don't know exactly how they did it but was different from previous years, in a paper cup it's not so obvious either, would really show in glass. Thought it was just a careless staff member first time so went back to another pump, just the same, foamy head was flowing over the side of the cup and another short measure.

This list didn't include Brothers festival perry at 7% ABV which at £6 a pint would give a price per unit of £1.51 making it easily the cheapest, HOWEVER (and I'm surprised no one else has commented on this), the sneaky Brothers had found a way of getting their cider to have a foamy head on it! I assume they added something to it as cider normally doesn't foam, the pints I got were well below the legal allowance, they had a least an inch of foam on them and so were well short of a pint, I didn't complain as they were the cheapest and by rights they should have been more expensive than the other bars (more duty on higher ABV) but thought it interesting.