Bob Vylan Chants

[Mr.Tease]

5 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Yup. You cant give these crybullies an inch.

And completely self-defeating, because now they’ll just push for more starting with “Bob Vylan must be banned!” And ever onwards 

[CaledonianGonzo]

Just now, Mr.Tease said:

And completely self-defeating, because now they’ll just push for more starting with “Bob Vylan must be banned!” And ever onwards 

 

You cant appease the fash.  They've Neville Chamberlained it.

[panda97]

14 minutes ago, verrymerry said:

Sadly that could be the last time Bob Vylan gets to play the festival, but honestly I think f**king good on him for making a protest knowing he'd be broadcast, especially when Kneecap was cut from the live stream 

Yeah I already loved the guys but this has solidified it even more

It was never in doubt though, when I saw them they made a point of calling out punk bands that don't use their platform to make a statement and profit from the image of being a punk band without actually representing it

[Suprefan]

52 minutes ago, Alcatraz said:

 

An unnecessary statement imo

 

 Jonny greenwood had the worst one. Emily just said hold my beer. Stand your ground and move on. 
 

The fest totally just got railroaded by Starmer and the BBC this weekend. Who wouldve thought.

[SighMo]

Nadine Shah on early today. Would think she’s gonna show some BV love. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

Vylan could sue GFL for it labelling them as anti-semites

[zahidf]

f**k the Israeli government.  The world would be a much better place without the IDF. 

[Colorblindjames]

3 hours ago, Thunderstruck said:

Yeh, it's not nice to see whatever the situation. Not what Glastonbury is about for me.

Go watch something else then.

[BobMahelp]

39 minutes ago, panda97 said:

Genuinely ridiculous how obtuse people are being and choosing to understand them as meaning "every single individual person in the IDF should be killed"

Clearly chanting death to an organisation is literally that, that the organisation is not fit for purpose and should be "killed", it's the exact same as the ACAB sentiment, it's not a suggestion that every single policeman in the world is a piece of sh*t, but a suggestion that there are enough bad apples to make the institute not fit for purpose and in need of wholesale reform

 

Also sick to death of anything critical of Israel being deemed anti semitic, it's just an easy shield to hide behind rather than face up to the war crimes Israel are committing

 

Where this stuff becomes rooted in anti-semitism is when people start holding Israel to a higher standard than other countries committing similar atrocities, or labelling themselves as “anti-Zionist” or using that awful phrase about the river and the sea.

 

Simply criticising the Israeli government for the current atrocities in Gaza, or criticising other western governments for facilitating it, or calling for a ceasefire and a peaceful 2 state solution with Palestine recognition, would NOT be anti-Semitic. Indeed that’s the view we should all be taking.

 

But far too many (including Bob Vylan and Kneecap) are falling into the former group. 

[Mr.Tease]

19 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

You cant appease the fash.  They've Neville Chamberlained it.

Having to watch politicians and press who have, and are, actively supporting the massacre and starvation of people pretending that they have some sort of moral authority to condemn some chanting against it is really sickening. I don’t get how they sleep at night- just shameless.

[Suprefan]

Can anyone make a flag real fast that says "shame on you, emily" and get it onto the cameras? Thatll teach em.

[Colorblindjames]

1 hour ago, stokelad84 said:

 

Tell your Hamas buddies to stop using women and children as human shields then.

 

Ironically it was your side that invaded a music festival to murder and rape Isreali's. But you lot give them a free pass.

Every lie is an admission of guilt. It’s actually the IDF hiding under hospitals and firing missiles from built up areas. 

[Colorblindjames]

1 hour ago, The Nal said:

Real identity now isnt it. As per this thread, a good hook to score a quick online win. 

 

Not a Ukranian flag in sight (that was very 2022) and not a word about the 150k dead in 2 years in Sudan. 

 

Those wars aren't as fashionable. 

That’s such a silly take. Our government and tax payers money isn’t being used to attack Ukraine. We are helping to defend Ukraine. Why are we not doing the same for the Palestinians? 

[panda97]

Just now, BobMahelp said:

 

Where this stuff becomes rooted in anti-semitism is when people start holding Israel to a higher standard than other countries committing similar atrocities, or labelling themselves as “anti-Zionist” or using that awful phrase about the river and the sea.

 

Simply criticising the Israeli government for the current atrocities in Gaza, or criticising other western governments for facilitating it, or calling for a ceasefire and a peaceful 2 state solution with Palestine recognition, would NOT be anti-Semitic. Indeed that’s the view we should all be taking.

 

But far too many (including Bob Vylan and Kneecap) are falling into the former group. 

I think the issue is that the criticism of the Israeli government is seen as unacceptable to so many that it pushes people to take a harder stance on the matter

 

Also Israel isn't the same as Judaism, it wouldn't be considered anti Christian to call out the US for their actions. 

 

Israel being shielded under the anti-semitism defence is part of the issue, I also don't think being anti-zionism is that controversial

 

Zionism by definition is creating a Jewish state in Palestine, being anti a belief that someone's land should be colonised is not unacceptable 

[Sitruc97]

I really didn’t expect the festival to cave in with a statement like that 

[Colorblindjames]

40 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Yup. You cant give these crybullies an inch.

Exactly. Never apologise to these bastds. They’ll just come looking for more. What BV said was tame in comparison to what the IDF and their supporters/apologists really deserve. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

10 minutes ago, BobMahelp said:

 

Where this stuff becomes rooted in anti-semitism is when people start holding Israel to a higher standard than other countries committing similar atrocities, or labelling themselves as “anti-Zionist” or using that awful phrase about the river and the sea.

 

Simply criticising the Israeli government for the current atrocities in Gaza, or criticising other western governments for facilitating it, or calling for a ceasefire and a peaceful 2 state solution with Palestine recognition, would NOT be anti-Semitic. Indeed that’s the view we should all be taking.

 

But far too many (including Bob Vylan and Kneecap) are falling into the former group. 

 

As a settler-colony established by a mass act of ethnic cleansing in someone else's land - and that can only maintain its existence through apartheid and genocide - it absolutely should be held to a different standard

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

Dismissing people who oppose calls for violence are crybabies and/or the fash. Lol.

 

If the BNP walked out tomorrow in front of Parliament and chanted "Death, death, death to Palestine Action", you'd all call them racist and whatever other -ists you'd pluck from your hashtag bag.

 

And again, Israel is the equivalent of Ukraine here. They are the two defending countries here.

 

Glastonbury have made this mess themselves by siding with groups that would rather "up" Hamas and Hezbollah rather than with the only liberal democracy in the Middle East. 

 

 

 

 

[NorthernSoul52]

To be that arse, we have a Bob Vylan thread already.

[DeanoL]

1 hour ago, HotChipWillBreakYourLegs said:

 

You do know what the IDF are doing, don't you?

Glastonbury is a festival that has politically always been on the radical left, and I'd expect to see condemnation of Israel and support for Palestine, and I absolutely agree with that. But it's also bee a festival of peace for just as long and chanting "death to" anyone also doesn't fit with the vibe for me.

 

I also don't buy the "it's death to the organisation, not the people" line. We're talking about an organisation (the IDF) that kills people. They're an army. When you say "death to [an army]" it's clearly going to be seen as a call to kill the people in that army, not to dismantle the organisational apparatus around them. That's context. At best it's ambiguous and that should have been obvious.

 

16 minutes ago, zahidf said:

f**k the Israeli government.  The world would be a much better place without the IDF. 

Agreed, and just wish they'd said that and not what they did.

[CaledonianGonzo]

11 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

Dismissing people who oppose calls for violence are crybabies and/or the fash. Lol.

 

If the BNP walked out tomorrow in front of Parliament and chanted "Death, death, death to Palestine Action", you'd all call them racist and whatever other -ists you'd pluck from your hashtag bag.

 

And again, Israel is the equivalent of Ukraine here. They are the two defending countries here.

 

Glastonbury have made this mess themselves by siding with groups that would rather "up" Hamas and Hezbollah rather than with the only liberal democracy in the Middle East. 

 

 

 

 

 

Not reading all that.

 

Free Palestine 🇵🇸 

Edited June 29, 2025 by CaledonianGonzo

[DeanoL]

Just now, NorthernSoul52 said:

To be that arse, we have a Bob Vylan thread already.

Probably beneficial to keep the discussion of this separate from those who want to discuss the rest of the performance outside of the 30 seconds being discussed here?

[BobMahelp]

11 minutes ago, panda97 said:

I think the issue is that the criticism of the Israeli government is seen as unacceptable to so many that it pushes people to take a harder stance on the matter

 

Also Israel isn't the same as Judaism, it wouldn't be considered anti Christian to call out the US for their actions. 

 

Israel being shielded under the anti-semitism defence is part of the issue, I also don't think being anti-zionism is that controversial

 

Zionism by definition is creating a Jewish state in Palestine, being anti a belief that someone's land should be colonised is not unacceptable 

 

Right but surely returning the full land between the river and the sea to being a Muslim nation of Palestine would imply genocide against the Jewish people?

 

Thats why a peaceful two state solution on 1967 borders with Palestinian recognition is the only answer which doesn’t require a bloodbath. But that definitely still includes a Jewish nation so would count as Zionist right? 

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

5 hours ago, dulcificum said:

Curious how that chant is problematic but 20 months of actual genocide and the IDF killing 15,000 actual children is fine.

 

The police are investigating this but not a single British citizen who signed up with the IDF to commit war crimes before returning to the UK. 

 

Just because someone signed up to the IDF from the UK doesnt mean they automatically committed war crimes.

 

Obviously comparing a chant to actual war isn't the same? Who the f**k said it was?

 

You're comparing apples and oranges. Calling for violence is not and should not be acceptable. 

[pink_triangle]

I think it was a silly thing to say. However turning it into a big story is basically giving him a load of publicity and a louder voice, I suspect many like me had never heard of him 24 hours ago.