When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Sounds a bit like vaccine denialism to me

eh?

[MrBarry465]

5 minutes ago, Havors said:

Whats a "short time"?

Vallance and Witty say delaying further will just push any wave further into the autumn. 

Vallance and Witty can say that publically, but privatley they will know more than anyone they are taking a risk here (however calculated) on reopening before a lot of people have been double jabbed.

We will know in a few months if it has paid off or not - lets hope it does....

Edited July 6, 2021 by MrBarry465

[Matt42]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

eh?

People seem to think that we’re going to rocket back to September 2020 numbers, as if the vaccine has no effect at all.

Its been very interesting to see the vaccine be diminished in terms of “effectiveness” ever so gradually. Makes me wonder.

[kalifire]

7 minutes ago, Havors said:

Whats a "short time"?

Vallance and Witty say delaying further will just push any wave further into the autumn. 

But a less harmful wave, surely. I don’t know, I’m not pushing any particular argument here, it’s just odd to me that a delay of a few weeks seems totally off the table and we have to be talking about winter or 2022. I haven’t heard a good argument why that is. 

[philipsteak]

9 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Sounds a bit like vaccine denialism to me

No it doesn't

[Ryan1984]

From the snippets I saw on the news yesterday, Vallance and Whitty (who don’t get six-week holidays in July) were urging caution whereas Johnson was more determined to put things in the hands of the public from the 19th.

If the scientists are genuinely concerned, I wonder if they’ll throw together one of those rogue ‘doom-mongering’ press conferences like back in the winter?

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

People seem to think that we’re going to rocket back to September 2020 numbers, as if the vaccine has no effect at all.

Its been very interesting to see the vaccine be diminished in terms of “effectiveness” ever so gradually. Makes me wonder.

I'm talking about exit wave...how high the cases go. The higher that goes, the more deaths...although will be a lot lower than previously because of vaccines. But at same time, how high the number of cases gets can also be reduced by keeping some restrictions in place...right?

[gizmoman]

42 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

The tin foil hatters are keeping their heads down they don't have anything to say about the restrictions ending which they said would never end!

They haven't ended yet and they could well be reimposed if things change rapidly, I've got a ticket for Watchet at the end of August, if that goes ahead as normal you can crow then and I'll be happy to be wrong.

[Fuzzy Afro]

Explicitly taking to social media to tell everyone you plan to continue mask wearing is absolutely virtue signalling btw (even if I’m not convinced the actual act of mask wearing is virtue signalling) 

[st dan]

Don’t forget that Vallance, Whitty and Co are also privy to the data regarding age, medical history, vaccination status etc of the patients who have recently been admitted to hospital, and who have sadly died. 
They must be comfortable with the fact that those younger ones who aren’t yet double jabbed aren’t likely to become those that end up in hospital. If there had been a recent swarm of under 30s ending up needing treatment, then we simply wouldn’t be progressing. 

Edited July 6, 2021 by st dan

[Matt42]

Wow. Looks like everything I said earlier is coming true.

12:30 Health Secretary will announce that if you are double jabbed you will no longer receive the ‘ping’ on your NHS app. So double jabbed people will not be asked to isolate unless they have symptoms. Great stuff - will bring lots of certainty to people’s lives.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

Wow. Looks like everything I said earlier is coming true.

12:30 Health Secretary will announce that if you are double jabbed you will no longer receive the ‘ping’ on your NHS app. So double jabbed people will not be asked to isolate unless they have symptoms. Great stuff - will bring lots of certainty to people’s lives.

Wow, that you Nostradamus?

[duke88]

35 minutes ago, kalifire said:

Agreed. But unless everyone has had a reasonable opportunity to get a jab (without having to know about some queue hack), one could argue that people who actually want to get vaccinated will now have to live in a Covid unsafe society until their opportunity arrives. 

I’m not necessarily suggesting that’s a good enough reason to delay easing - it’s all about risk/reward balance - but anyone believing that any one approach to this is perfectly fair would be a bit short sighted. 

It's easy to get a jab now. If anyone wanted one, they could have had one. There's no issues booking online, and there's regular walk-up clinics.

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

38 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

There are a good few in this thread 

Really? Who's said that they don't want the restrictions lifted?

[steviewevie]

£22billion on that app and I never got a single ping.

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Wow, that you Nostradamus?

Javid expected to announce changes to self-isolation rules today

Health Secretary Sajid Javid said he would set out self-isolation changes for those who have had both vaccine doses in Parliament later today.

“We will have a more proportionate system of test, trace and isolate, and it is absolutely right that those that have been double jabbed that we can take a different approach than the one we take today,” he told BBC Breakfast.

PA media quote him saying: “In terms of what we will be doing exactly, you will have to wait for my statement to Parliament later today.”

It is expected that people who have had two doses of vaccine will no longer be required to self-isolate for ten days.

The health secretary is thought to be giving a House of Commons statement at around 12.30pm in place of the currently listed appearance by colleague Jo Churchill.

[Dog Burger]

Don't want to spam the thread, but I don't suppose anyone knows whether Bath Racecourse or Avonmouth vaccination centre are offering Pfizer walk-ins for over 40s at the moment? The information online is entirely contradictory. One part of the NHS website says both are offering walk-ins to anyone over 18 for first or second jab, another part of the site says only people with booked appointments should turn up.  

I'm already booked in for the mass vaccination site in Bristol next Tuesday – nine weeks after my first, but we're going on holiday the following morning and would prefer to avoid running the risk of having flu symptoms for the holiday, if it's fine for me to go to a walk-in centre. At the same time, don't want to do an hour's round trip and add to their workload unnecessarily if I shouldn't be going there.

 

 

 

Edited July 6, 2021 by Dog Burger

[jimmillen]

1 hour ago, incident said:

To be honest, I don't understand why ventilation hasn't been seriously dealt with before now.

We've known it's a significant factor for what must be well over a year at this point, so there's been plenty of time to study it, draw up new standards, and get the appropriate legislation on the books. Obviously it's not in any way realistic to mandate new standards for ventilation/circulation before reopening as the kind of work involved is going to take at minimum several years in many cases, but they could have made a lot more progress in the second half of last year.

My cynical theory: significantly improving ventilation in shared spaces - offices, hospitality etc - requires investment by property owners & landlords. Who tend to be big Tory donors…

Just look at the absolute shambles of the cladding issue to see how reluctant this government is to force property owners or developers to do the right thing. 

Less cynical theory: sorting out ventilation properly is complicated, difficult and will take a long time. It’s entirely possible there has been action on this behind the scenes but it’s not made it through to actual improvement work yet. 

TBH a lot of modern office spaces are quite large and look like they could achieve healthy ventilation reasonably easily. Older offices less so but the real challenge is public transport IMO. Probably no real prospect of significant improvement there without replacing the trains/buses/trams etc 🙁

[eFestivals]

14 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

They haven't ended yet and they could well be reimposed if things change rapidly, I've got a ticket for Watchet at the end of August, if that goes ahead as normal you can crow then and I'll be happy to be wrong.

You never said that ending was measured by the festival of your choice.

[incident]

Just now, Dog Burger said:

Don't want to spam the thread, but I don't suppose anyone knows whether Bath Racecourse or Avonmouth vaccination centre are offering Pfizer walk-ins for over 40s at the moment? The information online is entirely contradictory. One part of the NHS website says both are offering walk-ins to anyone over 18 for first or second jab, another part of the site says only people with booked appointments should turn up.

I strongly suspect you'd be fine, but my suggestion is ignore the websites and take a look at the Twitter/Facebook pages for any relevant local Trusts/CCGs. I've found that to be the most accurate and up to date "state of play".

[gigpusher]

1 minute ago, Dog Burger said:

Don't want to spam the thread, but I don't suppose anyone knows whether Bath Racecourse or Avonmouth vaccination centre are offering Pfizer walk-ins for over 40s at the moment? The information online is entirely contradictory. One part of the NHS website says both are offering walk-ins to anyone over 18 for first or second jab, another part of the site says only people with booked appointments should turn up.  

I'm already booked in for the mass vaccination site in Bristol next Tuesday – nine weeks after my first, but we're going on holiday the following morning and would prefer to avoid running the risk of having flu symptoms for the holiday, if it's fine for me to go to a walk-in centre. At the same time, don't want to do an hour's round trip and add to their workload unnecessarily if I shouldn't be going there.

 

 

 

The best thing to do is see if you can find your local NHS on Facebook or Twitter. (Mine is NHS Stockport Clinical Commissioning Group) They tend to update at least weekly where the walk in centres are and what vaccines each one is offering. I cancelled my 2nd jab and went and got it at the walk in centre last week and honestly it was a shorter queue than the one I had my appointment for and was very stress free and quick. 

[fraybentos1]

11 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

Really? Who's said that they don't want the restrictions lifted?

If I name names I’ll get an instant pile on and be called a bully etc etc but there are defo people in here. They’re not explicitly saying ‘I don’t want restrictions to be lifted on July 18th’ but you can tell they’re thinking it 

[Havors]

 

23 minutes ago, kalifire said:

But a less harmful wave, surely. I don’t know, I’m not pushing any particular argument here, it’s just odd to me that a delay of a few weeks seems totally off the table and we have to be talking about winter or 2022. I haven’t heard a good argument why that is. 

Less harmful? No, it would be much more harmful... it would be flu season and all the other rise in hospitalisations that come with winter. Much worse to push the wave into the autumn... Hence they literally said its better to do it now.... 



 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Labour are the party of infinite lockdown. 

[theesundayroast]

Just had Pfizer dose two on the first day I've been able to after 8 weeks! No side effects yet