When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

Glastonbury 2021: Emily Eavis says 'we're doing everything we can'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55315202

[Copperface]

6 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

That’s really good, more than I was expecting per week, so well done NHS!

I agree, but some appear to be expecting the impossible.

[ace56blaa]

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

What? There was a global pandemic as recently as 2009 and as far as I can remember, there was little to no reduction in foreign travel.
 

Plenty of people travel abroad during pandemics, albeit this particular one has made more of a dent in international travel than historical pandemics.

 

The weather in this country mandates global travel. If we had Spanish or Portuguese weather in the summer then travel would be pretty much optional but we don’t, so not travelling is a pretty severe impediment to mental health. I’ve not been abroad this year but I 100% am next summer, even if it means having to self quarantine on return. 

Wait are you saying Brits travelling abroad for a holiday is so necessary for mental health that it should be encourage in a pandemic?

I really don't think you need to go to a different country, yes getting out of your house, or even a change a scenery within the UK could be considered very important for mental health. But no way you're seriously suggesting that not having an abroad holiday for one year is going to have massive effects on mental health. 

For one, I'm sure a huge percentage of the population don't go abroad every year. Last time I was abroad was 2017. 

The British self entitlement will always baffle me. The way you'll make a holiday, which the majority of people on earth will see as a luxury, seem like a good damn right in the middle of a pandemic. 

It's one of the reason this country failed, because so many people weren't willing to let go of luxuries for one year, so that we can have them again quicker the next. Holidays, Going to the Pub, even Christmas, all of these things that should be a no brainer to not do. - Like their necessary to mental. Seeing a friend is necessary, but I've gotten by this year on meeting people outside, socially distanced. 

It'll never as be as fun and easy going as normal socializing in a house or a pub, but this isn't a normal year. 

I accept exceptions to some of this for people who are really struggling with mental health, or really need to see certain loved ones at xmas. But entitlement is clearly rife in this country

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

Wait are you saying Brits travelling abroad for a holiday is so necessary for mental health that it should be encourage in a pandemic?

I really don't think you need to go to a different country, yes getting out of your house, or even a change a scenery within the UK could be considered very important for mental health. But no way you're seriously suggesting that not having an abroad holiday for one year is going to have massive effects on mental health. 

For one, I'm sure a huge percentage of the population don't go abroad every year. Last time I was abroad was 2017. 

The British self entitlement will always baffle me. The way you'll make a holiday, which the majority of people on earth will see as a luxury, seem like a good damn right in the middle of a pandemic. 

It's one of the reason this country failed, because so many people weren't willing to let go of luxuries for one year, so that we can have them again quicker the next. Holidays, Going to the Pub, even Christmas, all of these things that should be a no brainer to not do. - Like their necessary to mental. Seeing a friend is necessary, but I've gotten by this year on meeting people outside, socially distanced. 

It'll never as be as fun and easy going as normal socializing in a house or a pub, but this isn't a normal year. 

I accept exceptions to some of this for people who are really struggling with mental health, or really need to see certain loved ones at xmas. But entitlement is clearly rife in this country

apparently there was a time when people didn't fly abroad for their holidays, the poor things.

[steviewevie]

Jenrick - "Easter can be the new Christmas"

[st dan]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Jenrick - "Easter can be the new Christmas"

[Zoo Music Girl]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Jenrick - "Easter can be the new Christmas"

Feel like this might upset a few religious people! 

[Zoo Music Girl]

9 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

Wait are you saying Brits travelling abroad for a holiday is so necessary for mental health that it should be encourage in a pandemic?

I really don't think you need to go to a different country, yes getting out of your house, or even a change a scenery within the UK could be considered very important for mental health. But no way you're seriously suggesting that not having an abroad holiday for one year is going to have massive effects on mental health. 

For one, I'm sure a huge percentage of the population don't go abroad every year. Last time I was abroad was 2017. 

The British self entitlement will always baffle me. The way you'll make a holiday, which the majority of people on earth will see as a luxury, seem like a good damn right in the middle of a pandemic. 

It's one of the reason this country failed, because so many people weren't willing to let go of luxuries for one year, so that we can have them again quicker the next. Holidays, Going to the Pub, even Christmas, all of these things that should be a no brainer to not do. - Like their necessary to mental. Seeing a friend is necessary, but I've gotten by this year on meeting people outside, socially distanced. 

It'll never as be as fun and easy going as normal socializing in a house or a pub, but this isn't a normal year. 

I accept exceptions to some of this for people who are really struggling with mental health, or really need to see certain loved ones at xmas. But entitlement is clearly rife in this country

I basically wanted to say all this, but then realised he was just trying to get a rise as usual...

Also you can't really say the weather makes it "necessary". Last few summers in the UK have been scorching (where I live anyway).

[FestivalJamie]

13 minutes ago, Copperface said:

I agree, but some appear to be expecting the impossible.

I think as they build capacity we could expect 200-400,000 vaccinations a week. I’m not expecting millions, this is a marathon not a sprint

[ace56blaa]

1 minute ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

I basically wanted to say all this, but then realised he was just trying to get a rise as usual...

Also you can't really say the weather makes it "necessary". Last few summers in the UK have been scorching (where I live anyway).

You think so, I always get the impression Fuzzy genuinely believes what he is posting, but then tries to retroactively make it look like he's baiting or joking. 

Even so, if he's a gluten for being called out every time he posts on here, I'm happy to oblige that

[efcfanwirral]

4 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

I think as they build capacity we could expect 200-400,000 vaccinations a week. I’m not expecting millions, this is a marathon not a sprint

I reckon maybe 600,000 mark with the Oxford one approved - all shackles on storage are off at that point 

[balthazarstarbuck]

5 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Feel like this might upset a few religious people! 

Even non-religious. A lot of Christmas’s attraction comes from it being in the darkest bleakest part of the year. That doesn’t work when it’s in spring.

[MrBarry465]

6 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

I basically wanted to say all this, but then realised he was just trying to get a rise as usual...

Also you can't really say the weather makes it "necessary". Last few summers in the UK have been scorching (where I live anyway).

Yes and with more and more of these entitled pricks continuing to insist on flying - expect those summers temps to keep getting more and more scorching 🙂

I'd say we will hit 40 degrees over there soon.

[xxialac]

56 minutes ago, incident said:

"More than half of the UK population could have to wait until 2022 to get the coronavirus vaccine, the National Audit Office (NAO) has said."

Actually, no, they didn't say anything remotely like that.

LBC have taken a number out of context, and used it to justify a headline of their own invention.

"As at 8^th December 2020, NHSE&I is planning on the assumption it could vaccinate up to 25 million people with two doses throughout 2021"

Verbatim...

https://www.nao.org.uk/press-release/investigation-into-preparations-for-potential-covid-19-vaccines/

 

[JoeyT]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I reckon maybe 600,000 mark with the Oxford one approved - all shackles on storage are off at that point 

Hopefully we get some authorisation news on that in the next few days.

I read somewhere that they were mildly confident approval would come in time for jabs to take place using it before Christmas so you'd think we are close...

[Toilet Duck]

Jaysus lads, it's all getting a bit gloomy in here! Initial roll out will be slow enough as the doses that were manufactured at risk get shared around everywhere that has orders in and has the vaccine approved. That'll probably run through January. Expect a big ramp up in February/March/April (helped enormously when Oxford gets over the line). At that stage it will be millions per week. Open distribution starting as we head into summer through Autumn. That's the schedule for the EU, I still don't see that as unrealistic (again, the caveat on all this is that more than Pfizer and Moderna get approved...)

[eFestivals]

47 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

 

Yeah agree with this, the vaccine is not being admistered by robots - it's a fragile process.

had my first ever old-git flu vaccination yesterday. Arranged an appointment at the docs for 2 hours later, and in & out within 2 minutes.

it's easily do-able, with enough staff on the task and some decent administration.

[therefused]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

had my first ever old-git flu vaccination yesterday. Arranged an appointment at the docs for 2 hours later, and in & out within 2 minutes.

it's easily do-able, with enough staff on the task and some decent administration.

You expect too much of our government..

[MrBarry465]

6 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 

it's easily do-able, with enough staff on the task and some decent administration.

Anything is doable with unlimited resources and good administration - we have neither.

 

Edited December 16, 2020 by MrBarry465

[xxialac]

4 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

Jaysus lads, it's all getting a bit gloomy in here! Initial roll out will be slow enough as the doses that were manufactured at risk get shared around everywhere that has orders in and has the vaccine approved. That'll probably run through January. Expect a big ramp up in February/March/April (helped enormously when Oxford gets over the line). At that stage it will be millions per week. Open distribution starting as we head into summer through Autumn. That's the schedule for the EU, I still don't see that as unrealistic (again, the caveat on all this is that more than Pfizer and Moderna get approved...)

You have some fantastic insights and makes me think I could well be wrong about speed of deployment. 

Millions vaccinated in the UK per week, you say?

[Toilet Duck]

Just now, xxialac said:

You have some fantastic insights and makes me think I could well be wrong about speed of deployment. 

Millions vaccinated in the UK per week, you say?

No reason it can't be done (unless there's manufacturing problems). Logistically it's possible. The flu vaccination programme runs for about 6-8 weeks or so and typically hits 15 million, so a bit more complicated having to get two shots, but unlike Ireland where we had to shoehorn new software into our health service, the UK has excellent eHealth records so should  be able to handle this. Interestingly, on the Oxford trial, they didn't see much difference with varying gaps between shots, so there's some flexibility in terms of getting people back in for the boost. So long as supply is ok (and Oxford getting approval is a key part of this and why many are being non-committal at this stage), getting the most vulnerable done by Easter is an achievable goal and aiming for over 50s by Summer isn't beyond the realms of possibility. After that, it'll be open access and on a voluntary basis. 

[incident]

4 minutes ago, xxialac said:

"As at 8^th December 2020, NHSE&I is planning on the assumption it could vaccinate up to 25 million people with two doses throughout 2021"

Verbatim...

https://www.nao.org.uk/press-release/investigation-into-preparations-for-potential-covid-19-vaccines/

Yes. That's what the NAO say. But that's not what the LBC article says.

Clue: There's more routes to vaccination than via NHSE&I - for starters because NHSE&I is only England and LBC took that number and applied it to the whole UK which instantly makes it wrong. Even taking the number just within England there's a question over whether the everyone being vaccinated would be under the NHSE&I banner (number) - for example once the rollout gets moving at speed, are Pharmacies etc included in that count? I genuinely don't know the answer to that and the report doesn't make clear but if I had to guess I'd suspect not.

As I've said all along, and the NAO report suggests as well, the main obstacle to getting the numbers we want is going to be vaccine supply rather than the ability to stick needles into peoples arms.

[xxialac]

1 minute ago, incident said:

Yes. That's what the NAO say. But that's not what the LBC article says.

Clue: There's more routes to vaccination than via NHSE&I - for starters because NHSE&I is only England and LBC took that number and applied it to the whole UK which instantly makes it wrong. Even taking the number just within England there's a question over whether the everyone being vaccinated would be under the NHSE&I banner (number) - for example once the rollout gets moving at speed, are Pharmacies etc included in that count? I genuinely don't know the answer to that and the report doesn't make clear but if I had to guess I'd suspect not.

As I've said all along, and the NAO report suggests as well, the main obstacle to getting the numbers we want is going to be vaccine supply rather than the ability to stick needles into peoples arms.

All good points, apologies.

[st dan]

I don’t really get how anybody can knock the government for the vaccine rollout so far? 100k+ in a couple of weeks (rapidly rising day by day), expansion of dedicated centres in many towns and cities. All this whilst not a single vaccine has been administered throughout the majority of the world yet - and still appears to be several weeks away.

Quite rightly knock them for all the failings with everything else this year, but I think a bit of credit is due to them here. Talking of ‘only 25 million’ being vaccinated by the end of 2021 as if this is some form of failure is baffling. We are talking about a virus that wasn’t even recognised in this country just 10 months ago. It’s not just a case of hiring some more NHS staff to vaccine and off you go - the logistics behind the scenes must be highly complex. This has also never been conducted before on this scale, so there is no set blueprint to follow. 

Constant negativity must be so draining, I don’t get how some people can live their lives without taking the rays of positivity when they are clearly here. Let’s get behind the rollout and have faith they can deliver as many as possible - without looking for negatives and almost willing on failings. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

33 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

Wait are you saying Brits travelling abroad for a holiday is so necessary for mental health that it should be encourage in a pandemic?

I really don't think you need to go to a different country, yes getting out of your house, or even a change a scenery within the UK could be considered very important for mental health. But no way you're seriously suggesting that not having an abroad holiday for one year is going to have massive effects on mental health. 

For one, I'm sure a huge percentage of the population don't go abroad every year. Last time I was abroad was 2017. 

The British self entitlement will always baffle me. The way you'll make a holiday, which the majority of people on earth will see as a luxury, seem like a good damn right in the middle of a pandemic. 

It's one of the reason this country failed, because so many people weren't willing to let go of luxuries for one year, so that we can have them again quicker the next. Holidays, Going to the Pub, even Christmas, all of these things that should be a no brainer to not do. - Like their necessary to mental. Seeing a friend is necessary, but I've gotten by this year on meeting people outside, socially distanced. 

It'll never as be as fun and easy going as normal socializing in a house or a pub, but this isn't a normal year. 

I accept exceptions to some of this for people who are really struggling with mental health, or really need to see certain loved ones at xmas. But entitlement is clearly rife in this country

Did you go abroad in 2009 by any chance? I didn’t go abroad that year, but not because of swine flu. I can’t remember anyone being advised not to go abroad during a pandemic.