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24 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

The accounts say they spent about 500k on wages of 23 people, so I assume that's about the minimum requirement to just keep the operation in hibernation. 

I would have thought they will have furloughed most staff for the last 6 months, so costs this year will have been lower.

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Yeah, but an even higher chance of it going ahead.  These Glasto boards on Efest reek of dramaqueening. 

I’m in. Is this what is being asked? If it’s cold I’ll put a fleece on. If it’s cold at night I’ll take two sleeping bags. It’s it rains it’s no different to a rainy day in June. F

We could have an answer to this by Christmas Day.  The current licence allows for one festival per year, with sale of alcohol allowed from 1st June until the Monday following the festival.  There are

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23 hours ago, Lycra said:

It's a given GFL have some continuing day to day outgoings in salaries etc but the bulk of the spend comes as plans as advanced April onwards. It's an interesting conundrum. On one hand a further delay until 2022 creates an opportunity for greater change, viz: both ticket holders and bands dropping out due to a change in circumstances. There's always a risk a festival in 2022 isn't possible. Then there's the question of fairness. How long can you hold on to a persons money without providing anything? Is it fair to ask those without tickets to wait until 2023? Is it fair to cancel existing tickets? Which way GFL decide to go Glasto 50 it won't be any more and that was a big driver for many who wanted to go.

I would rather they kept my money and gave me a ticket for 2022 if 2021 can't go ahead. I think it would be far more unfair for those who got a ticket for 2020, to then lose their right to a ticket and then have to try like everyone else to get one for 2022. Imagine the uproar for those who got a ticket in 2020 but then didn't get one for 2022, especially if there is a load of crossover between the artists playing, which is very possible. The priority when it comes to fairness has to be with those who currently have invested money into GFL, i.e. the ticketholders. Fairness with regards to those without tickets is almost irrelevant - let's say for argument sake that they had said 2019 would be the last festival, would we be talking about how unfair it was on those who missed out on tickets for 2019, given they would never have another opportunity to go? The festival has a finite capacity, and unfortunately once all tickets are gone, they're gone. People always complain about how fair/unfair the system is, no system is perfect, but if you start taking tickets away from actual ticketholders, then that is dodgy ground, where fairness can definitely be questioned.

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7 hours ago, tigger123 said:

I would rather they kept my money and gave me a ticket for 2022 if 2021 can't go ahead. I think it would be far more unfair for those who got a ticket for 2020, to then lose their right to a ticket and then have to try like everyone else to get one for 2022. Imagine the uproar for those who got a ticket in 2020 but then didn't get one for 2022, especially if there is a load of crossover between the artists playing, which is very possible. The priority when it comes to fairness has to be with those who currently have invested money into GFL, i.e. the ticketholders. Fairness with regards to those without tickets is almost irrelevant - let's say for argument sake that they had said 2019 would be the last festival, would we be talking about how unfair it was on those who missed out on tickets for 2019, given they would never have another opportunity to go? The festival has a finite capacity, and unfortunately once all tickets are gone, they're gone. People always complain about how fair/unfair the system is, no system is perfect, but if you start taking tickets away from actual ticketholders, then that is dodgy ground, where fairness can definitely be questioned.

I'd agree with this, I'd be happy for them to keep my money and honour my ticket to 2022 if they had to cancel in 2021. It's a very tricky situation but I feel that would still be what they would do and is the fairest way of handling it.

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2 hours ago, Ozanne said:

I'd agree with this, I'd be happy for them to keep my money and honour my ticket to 2022 if they had to cancel in 2021. It's a very tricky situation but I feel that would still be what they would do and is the fairest way of handling it.

I’d be more than happy with that, same goes for the cash we paid for Worthy  View. I reckon though that others less committed to the festival might take up the offer of a refund. More for the resale crew hopefully!  

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10 hours ago, tigger123 said:

I would rather they kept my money and gave me a ticket for 2022 if 2021 can't go ahead. I think it would be far more unfair for those who got a ticket for 2020, to then lose their right to a ticket and then have to try like everyone else to get one for 2022. Imagine the uproar for those who got a ticket in 2020 but then didn't get one for 2022, especially if there is a load of crossover between the artists playing, which is very possible. The priority when it comes to fairness has to be with those who currently have invested money into GFL, i.e. the ticketholders. Fairness with regards to those without tickets is almost irrelevant - let's say for argument sake that they had said 2019 would be the last festival, would we be talking about how unfair it was on those who missed out on tickets for 2019, given they would never have another opportunity to go? The festival has a finite capacity, and unfortunately once all tickets are gone, they're gone. People always complain about how fair/unfair the system is, no system is perfect, but if you start taking tickets away from actual ticketholders, then that is dodgy ground, where fairness can definitely be questioned.

I don't think there would be any cause for concern that they won't roll our tickets over now. As I think @incident said on this thread or another, there's a precedent now - and one that has been welcomed by the 99.99% (estimate) who didn't claim the money back.

But on 'fairness'... I don't think we have a 'right' to attend the next festival because of a successful purchase attempt for the 2020 fest and I believe we should really see us being allowed to keep our tickets as a gesture of goodwill. It's a mutually beneficial gesture too, but if there was a point where the festival could no longer feasibly keep rollin rollin rollin our tickets, then any entitlement or outrage about it would be kinda gross.

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4 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

I don't think there would be any cause for concern that they won't roll our tickets over now. As I think @incident said on this thread or another, there's a precedent now - and one that has been welcomed by the 99.99% (estimate) who didn't claim the money back.

But on 'fairness'... I don't think we have a 'right' to attend the next festival because of a successful purchase attempt for the 2020 fest and I believe we should really see us being allowed to keep our tickets as a gesture of goodwill. It's a mutually beneficial gesture too, but if there was a point where the festival could no longer feasibly keep rollin rollin rollin our tickets, then any entitlement or outrage about it would be kinda gross.

Because actually they are just honouring a purchase ... unfortunately the people without tickets are an unknown quantity ... so why wouldn’t they keep that money in the system ... ticketless but I’m fine with that ... it makes sense in terms of making the festival sustainable... no guarantees in a future main sale with all tickets back in the pot anyway ... 

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2 hours ago, crazyfool1 said:

Because actually they are just honouring a purchase ... unfortunately the people without tickets are an unknown quantity ... so why wouldn’t they keep that money in the system ... ticketless but I’m fine with that ... it makes sense in terms of making the festival sustainable... no guarantees in a future main sale with all tickets back in the pot anyway ... 

The ticket that we purchased ... was for the festival this year ... so it's not honouring a purchase ... no ...

It's a moot point really because it's unlikely that they're ever going to be in a position where they have to or they choose to refund everyone, but we ticketholders shouldn't take it for granted that the festival has allowed us to roll it.

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1 hour ago, Mr Benn said:

What happens if SeeTickets goes bust? Would that affect those who have tickets? 

Unlikely I'd say.  Seetickets simply have the contract for running the booking process so if they went under the ticket data would just be passed to another provider.

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10 hours ago, dentalplan said:

The ticket that we purchased ... was for the festival this year ... so it's not honouring a purchase ... no ...

It's a moot point really because it's unlikely that they're ever going to be in a position where they have to or they choose to refund everyone, but we ticketholders shouldn't take it for granted that the festival has allowed us to roll it.

Might be overstating how noble this rolling the ticket over was. I had a fair number of things cancelled this summer and standard practice with tickets was to offer to roll them over until a rearranged date or the equivalent event.

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7 hours ago, parsonjack said:

Unlikely I'd say.  Seetickets simply have the contract for running the booking process so if they went under the ticket data would just be passed to another provider.

There could be a huge problem though. Not sure if this will apply to Glastonbury deposits or not, but for most events, See (along with other reputable ticket agencies) usually hold the ticket money in escrow until the event takes place in order to ensure that they can honour any refunds. So if that's the case here, they'd need to be able to transfer the money to a new provider or to GFL.

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I think the tickets sold will continue to roll over until a time they can hold the festival, as much as people who are ticketless don’t want to hear it. There’s going to be no difference in circumstances next year to what there was this year if it’s delayed.

 

Personally, I think the festival goes ahead if the logistics of the build can be done safely and ahead of time. By June, I imagine there’ll be a mix of vaccine, safety measures, and also an attitude of if you’re happy with the measures in place an ‘at your own risk/disclosure’ of attendance with maybe more refund options for those that aren’t willing to risk it. 

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1 minute ago, Andy0808 v5 said:

I think the tickets sold will continue to roll over until a time they can hold the festival, as much as people who are ticketless don’t want to hear it. There’s going to be no difference in circumstances next year to what there was this year if it’s delayed.

I think I agree. I know people like to play up the fairness and the ethos of the festival, but it's still a business at the end of the day. Wouldn't make sense to cancel and have to go through another sale, in the current economical climate having a sold out event is gold, why would they just give that up?

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21 hours ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

I’d be more than happy with that, same goes for the cash we paid for Worthy  View. I reckon though that others less committed to the festival might take up the offer of a refund. More for the resale crew hopefully!  

I forgot to reply to this. I think that’s the important aspect keeping it a choice thing. Whilst they certainly don’t have to honour them for another year if they have people the choice then I think that’s a good option. 

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2 hours ago, incident said:

There could be a huge problem though. Not sure if this will apply to Glastonbury deposits or not, but for most events, See (along with other reputable ticket agencies) usually hold the ticket money in escrow until the event takes place in order to ensure that they can honour any refunds. So if that's the case here, they'd need to be able to transfer the money to a new provider or to GFL.

It's a good point.  We're also all assuming that the festival can cover some 2020/21 costs with the deposits already paid, but with the refund deadline extended until 31st January 2021 do they actually have that money at their disposal, or is it 'resting' in See's account?

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7 hours ago, parsonjack said:

It's a good point.  We're also all assuming that the festival can cover some 2020/21 costs with the deposits already paid, but with the refund deadline extended until 31st January 2021 do they actually have that money at their disposal, or is it 'resting' in See's account?

Think it'll be in See's account. However the last accounts showed they had 9 million in the bank, so they should be fine.

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8 hours ago, zahidf said:

any festival is going ahead until it's not going ahead.  Which means that doesn't really say a lot.

If it's going to be cancelled, that announcement will come in January at the earliest - which we've known for a long while.

 

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31 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

any festival is going ahead until it's not going ahead.  Which means that doesn't really say a lot.

If it's going to be cancelled, that announcement will come in January at the earliest - which we've known for a long while.

 

The decision is usually made in January every year so as above until we hear anything we presume the festival is going ahead! 

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5 minutes ago, funkychick2007 said:

The decision is usually made in January every year so as above until we hear anything we presume the festival is going ahead! 

There's no decision to be made in January of other years. The decision has been made long before then, they've sold tickets, etc. 

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9 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

There's no decision to be made in January of other years. The decision has been made long before then, they've sold tickets, etc. 

True I guess I didn’t explain very well they usually make decisions around workers etc then rather than the whole festival! Our team never gets confirmation until January at the earliest!! Apologies!! 

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