When will this shit end?

[Ryan1984]

22 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

In the end it's a balance. I mean ideally you'd wait till everyone vaccinated before opening up, but these are people's lives and livelihoods too...so you weigh up the risks and make a decision. That's what is happening, and looks like decision is open up. 

 

That mental health aspect is huge. There’s going to be so much anxiety (and culture wars) coming across all age groups in the months ahead.

[steviewevie]

21 minutes ago, Punksnotdead said:

I can't be the only one who had never heard of Pagel until this thread. Never seen her on the news or anything else. I bet if I went down to my high street & asked 100 people "What do you think of Christina Pagel?", 99 of the answers would be "Who?"

Should she be silenced because she has a different opinion to you? That's not the kind of country I want to live in.

I have a horrible feeling I might have been either the first or one of the first to start sharing her tweets on here.

[Matt42]

Good chat today. I’m going out for a walk. @Ozanne you’re right, it’s all ending in July 19. If it doesn’t then il come back and we’l resume?

[zero000]

17 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

That mental health aspect is huge. There’s going to be so much anxiety (and culture wars) coming across all age groups in the months ahead.

I think we need to respect our individual differences about the perception of risk when the restrictions are dropped. Don’t shame people for not wearing masks, and don’t shame those who choose to continue to wear them for example. 
 

I would have no issue going to a rave tomorrow, but I respect that for many others that would be seen as dangerous or frightening. These people will need to take their time coming back to normality and we need to respect that, and gently encourage them back, not ridicule their anxieties even if they seem disproportionate to us. 

[philipsteak]

1 hour ago, Matt42 said:

I could always just ignore Boris Johnson too if I disagreed with him.

I’m not ignoring her because what she is doing is causing damage and harm to people and there needs to be a counter voice.

I was going to reply to your points but it seems a few people have covered what I was going to say.

I will just say that people disagreeing with you disagreeing with Pagel isn't gaslighting, it's just people disagreeing with you. It's allowed. 

I do also sincerely think you'd be better stepping away from these Twitter threads. I honestly don't think its good for you (the collective you, not specifically you). Being informed is good. Being obsessed isn't. Especially when you can't really make any difference.

I can't help but notice that my friends who don't read much of this stuff and just read enough to know what they should and shouldn't be doing are generally pretty happy. The ones who don't pay any attention and don't have much idea what's going on are usually happier still but I'm not sure we should be copying them either. 

[Stretlow]

1 hour ago, stuie said:

Are you jabbed? Once. Twice. 

Twice.

Had second in the same week I got the virus (last week)

[philipsteak]

32 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

I did not know what Gaslighting was so went to find out.

I am baffled to understand how anything on this thread is seem in any was as gaslighting. It is simply different opinions.

As for disagreeing with a scientist when not having any scientific qualifications yourself that does rather leave yourself open to people having a disagreement.

Maybe we will all return to the old world when this shitstorm is over - but I think the seed of division and extreme disagrement has grown all too well in the last 18 months.

It's quite a handy word to throw around if you want to shut someone down

[Guest]

 

[kingbadger]

3 hours ago, stuie said:

Are you jabbed? Once. Twice. 

THREE TIMES A PFIZER! 

[Matt42]

36 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

Beautiful really. The vaccines have worked. They have cut the link between cases and deaths dramatically. Despite all modelling deaths struggle to get above 20 a day.

[Stretlow]

14 minutes ago, kingbadger said:

THREE TIMES A PFIZER! 

😁 very good

[st dan]

If anything, this significant rise in cases recently was required before the full reopening as it has taken away the unknown somewhat. It’s now undeniable that the link has been broken. 

[zahidf]

 

[Fuzzy Afro]

23 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Some boy 😍 x 

[Zoo Music Girl]

5 hours ago, Punksnotdead said:

I can't be the only one who had never heard of Pagel until this thread. Never seen her on the news or anything else. I bet if I went down to my high street & asked 100 people "What do you think of Christina Pagel?", 99 of the answers would be "Who?"

Should she be silenced because she has a different opinion to you? That's not the kind of country I want to live in.

No I'd never heard of her either. None of my friends or family would know who she is. Basically I read pages and pages about her in here every two days or so but that's it.

[Chapple12345]

Whilst every death is a sad tragedy this does show we're in a very good position currently 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just back after an indoor gathering of 11 adults last night to watch the football that carried on well into the wee hours. No social distancing and not a face nappy in sight. Beautiful stuff. 

[Guest]

Vaccination update:

[stuartbert two hats]

19 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Vaccination update:

There goes AZ 😞

[Justiceforcedave]

5 hours ago, steviewevie said:

In the end it's a balance. I mean ideally you'd wait till everyone vaccinated before opening up, but these are people's lives and livelihoods too...so you weigh up the risks and make a decision. That's what is happening, and looks like decision is open up. 

 

I own a small hospitality business. Many of our staff are young and not yet double jabbed... actually the removal of masks at this stage is more of a risk to our business than anything else.

From a responsibility/morality standpoint we have to protect them because there is inherently more risk. From a business standpoint anyone not double jabbed still needs to quarantine....if we lose any of our staff we'd have to close for at least some of the time (without government support). If I insist that my customers still wear masks I'll lose business. 

Appreciate that things need to open up. But it's not as clear cut as remove restrictions = better for all businesses.

 

[incident]

11 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

There goes AZ 😞

At this point it's not the supply of Pfizer or the reluctance to issue further AZ first doses that's the issue or causing the slowdown.

Anyone who wants a first Pfizer dose, or after 8 weeks a second, could have had it done this week on a walk in basis at what appears to be a majority of locations. Anecdotally it sounds like most places are now operating well below capacity and queues where they exist are usually under 5 minutes.

We're starting to hit the point where vaccine hesitancy is an issue.

[Matt42]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending18june2021
 

74 people died of Covid last week.

274 died of influenza. 

[stuartbert two hats]

11 minutes ago, incident said:

At this point it's not the supply of Pfizer or the reluctance to issue further AZ first doses that's the issue or causing the slowdown.

Anyone who wants a first Pfizer dose, or after 8 weeks a second, could have had it done this week on a walk in basis at what appears to be a majority of locations. Anecdotally it sounds like most places are now operating well below capacity and queues where they exist are usually under 5 minutes.

We're starting to hit the point where vaccine hesitancy is an issue.

Another thing I hadn't thought about slowing vaccinations down is COVID itself. My 18 year old nephew was booked in to get vaccinated last week, but got the virus, so has been unable to get jabbed, hoping to have it next week.

[efcfanwirral]

Just now, stuartbert two hats said:

Another thing I hadn't thought about slowing vaccinations down is COVID itself. My 18 year old nephew was booked in to get vaccinated last week, but got the virus, so has been unable to get jabbed, hoping to have it next week.

Pretty sure it says not to within 28 days of a positive PCR on the form when you book - it's one of the questions. there must be a good reason for that

[steviewevie]

2 hours ago, zahidf said:

 

Yay,go saj you opportunistic daily mail bottom feeding c**t.