When will this shit end?

[Chapple12345]

Very good points here 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Pagel? Is this your burner account?

That you Toby Young?

[Matt42]

@crazyfool1 in response to your earlier. I keep trying to make Twitter ignore / stop recommending me pagel’s tweets and she keeps showing up. Evidence below.

Her tweets trend under anything science related. No wonder she’s gathered an audience of terrified people. Twitter literally recommends her view to people and the algorithm pushes her content. People will mistake her for an official member of SAGE.

I could block her, but the point still stands that her tweets are being pushed far and wide. 

Edited July 4, 2021 by Matt42

[drunk pumpkin]

13 minutes ago, Gregfc15 said:

I'm not going to say anything negative about the ads because as of today thanks to them, I'm double pfizered!

I’ll be singing it all day ☺️

[Simsy]

21 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

In my opinion the rules should be - if you are double vaccinated there is no expectation to isolate, or to test, or to wear a mask.

Ok, I understand the argument that if you're double-jabbed you shouldn't need to isolate if you've been in contact with someone with covid if you test negative, but saying they shouldn't even be tested? That makes no sense to me. 

[dotdash79]

11 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

If you’re single jabbed (like myself) your second jab should be in the next few days / weeks. If it’s far away and you want it sooner you can bring it forward. What’s the problem?

I’m also 24 lol.

I’m 41 and only just reached 8 weeks since my first jab (had my second yesterday). Unofficially some areas are pulling the dates in to 4 weeks (which I agree with) but under existing rules it’s 6 weeks away or almost all of summer holiday

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

@crazyfool1 in response to your earlier. I keep trying to make Twitter ignore / stop recommending me pagel’s tweets and she keeps showing up. Evidence below.

Her tweets trend under anything science related. No wonder she’s gathered an audience of terrified people. Twitter literally recommends her view to people and the algorithm pushes her content. People will mistake her for an official member of SAGE.

I could block her, but the point still stands that her tweets are being pushed far and wide. 

Thanks for bringing her to all our attention again 

[Matt42]

4 minutes ago, Simsy said:

Ok, I understand the argument that if you're double-jabbed you shouldn't need to isolate if you've been in contact with someone with covid if you test negative, but saying they shouldn't even be tested? That makes no sense to me. 

Why does this make no sense when the traditional approach was only to isolate if you have symptoms? When you have an exposure to someone with the flu do you have to stay at home until you test negative?

If we are going to move into a state where we treat Covid like the flu… we need to treat Covid like the flu.

[Matt42]

6 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

I’m 41 and only just reached 8 weeks since my first jab (had my second yesterday). Unofficially some areas are pulling the dates in to 4 weeks (which I agree with) but under existing rules it’s 6 weeks away or almost all of summer holiday

Exactly. The window between jabs is getting shorter and there are ways to reduce a long gap if that’s what you are automatically given. 

[stuartbert two hats]

1 hour ago, Matt42 said:

How on earth do we ever move out of lockdown if people who are double jabbed will be going in and out of self isolation. Literally apply this to reality. It won’t work.

We need to move to a point where we are only isolating confirmed cases. We can’t isolate exposures anymore. What’s the point in getting the vaccine? Think hard about this.

It's the key clause "as long as case rates are high" you seem to be ignoring. Do you not agree that case rates are high and getting exponentially higher? Wanting to stop us having very high prevalence of this virus is not being a nutter.

[philipsteak]

22 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

@crazyfool1 in response to your earlier. I keep trying to make Twitter ignore / stop recommending me pagel’s tweets and she keeps showing up. Evidence below.

Her tweets trend under anything science related. No wonder she’s gathered an audience of terrified people. Twitter literally recommends her view to people and the algorithm pushes her content. People will mistake her for an official member of SAGE.

I could block her, but the point still stands that her tweets are being pushed far and wide. 

 

You could always just not read her tweets. 

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

It's the key clause "as long as case rates are high" you seem to be ignoring. Do you not agree that case rates are high and getting exponentially higher? Wanting to stop us having very high prevalence of this virus is not being a nutter.

But define high? There’s going to be a level of infections and deaths every day. The cases are rising but the deaths are not. I just think it’s going to be complete and utter fantasy that cases are going to plummet to non-existent levels, just like it is with the flu and any other diseases there are probably thousands of cases in circulation. 
 

Plus, she’s proven time and time again that no level of cases is good enough. She would probably call 1,000 cases a day too much. There isn’t an acceptable standard in her eye.

She gets me heated because I think the narrative she pushes is dangerous, and she can’t develop the wider thinking to realise what she’s really saying with her comments. She’s dangerously leaning into territory to claim that the vaccine doesn’t work. Because this is the effect she is causing in people with her Twitter rampages. 

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, philipsteak said:

 

You could always just not read her tweets. 

I could always just ignore Boris Johnson too if I disagreed with him.

I’m not ignoring her because what she is doing is causing damage and harm to people and there needs to be a counter voice.

[zahidf]

 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I could always just ignore Boris Johnson too if I disagreed with him.

I’m not ignoring her because what she is doing is causing damage and harm to people and there needs to be a counter voice.

And that counter voice is you on here?

[Matt42]

Just now, steviewevie said:

And that counter voice is you on here?

This is a forum about discussing the pandemic and I am allowed to voice my view. I’m also allowed to disagree with stuff that she says. Don’t gaslight people who disagree with you.

[Reckoner]

16 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

She’s dangerously leaning into territory to claim that the vaccine doesn’t work.

This is not true. The tweet you are originally complaining about is literally asking for time for more people to get it.

There is plenty she says worth discussing whether for or against and everyone's risk appetite is going to be different. The debate doesn't need nonsense like this.

Edited July 4, 2021 by Gregfc15
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[Matt42]

Just now, Gregfc15 said:

This is not true. The tweet you are originally complaining about is literally asking for time for more people to get it.

There is plenty she says worth discussing whether for or against and everyone's risk appetitive is going to be different. The debate doesn't need nonsense like this.

If you read my post you would see that what I said was not about what she said but the effect this is having. Increased scepticism at a time where people are doing what they should be doing and taking the vaccine causes people to doubt getting the vaccine if they are on the fence.

She has factually stated in her tweets that things are heading in a bad way when we have more people getting vaccinated daily than ever. Read between the lines man and think what that looks like to someone on the fence about the vaccine and on the fence about following the science. 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

This is a forum about discussing the pandemic and I am allowed to voice my view. I’m also allowed to disagree with stuff that she says. Don’t gaslight people who disagree with you.

Ok, carry on attacking her then.

[stuartbert two hats]

3 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

This is a forum about discussing the pandemic and I am allowed to voice my view. I’m also allowed to disagree with stuff that she says. Don’t gaslight people who disagree with you.

I'm pretty sure that's not gaslighting.

[fraybentos1]

It is not enough for Pagel for all adults to be double vaxxed tho she wants all kids to get it too so that would be what like November before they could be double vaxxed assuming they get it? Then it is winter, can't open up then cause too much strain on nhs etc etc rinse and repeat 

[steviewevie]

Kind of interesting social experiment over coming months with people deciding for themselves whether to social distance or wear masks.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

If you read my post you would see that what I said was not about what she said but the effect this is having. Increased scepticism at a time where people are doing what they should be doing and taking the vaccine causes people to doubt getting the vaccine if they are on the fence.

She has factually stated in her tweets that things are heading in a bad way when we have more people getting vaccinated daily than ever. Read between the lines man and think what that looks like to someone on the fence about the vaccine and on the fence about following the science. 

You are sharing her posts thus spreading any potential fear and scepticism around. If she is doing what you claim (which she isn’t) then you are adding to that. You aren’t the vigilante you think you are. 

Edited July 4, 2021 by Ozanne

[Matt42]

Just now, stuartbert two hats said:

I'm pretty sure that's not gaslighting.

Of course it is. Diminishing the view / possibility that someone may have a problem with something she says. People’s views are valid even if they disagree with yours. Plus he’s given up debating me and is instead just being patronising.

 

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Ok, carry on attacking her then.

Disagreeing with her and not swallowing everything she says is not attacking. Come off it.

 

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

You are sharing her posts this spreading any potential fear and scepticism around. If she is doing what you claim (which she isn’t) then you are adding to that. You aren’t the vigilante you think you are. 

Because she’s an influential figure and I believe what she pushes is dangerous. I’ve not said anything mean towards her character only towards her views. But of course any criticism or debate around the status-quo is ‘attacking’ nowadays.

[Matt42]

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

It is not enough for Pagel for all adults to be double vaxxed tho she wants all kids to get it too so that would be what like November before they could be double vaxxed assuming they get it? Then it is winter, can't open up then cause too much strain on nhs etc etc rinse and repeat 

Dude stop attacking her