Shangri-La 2019

[dentalplan]

11 minutes ago, Tuna said:

But what about the men!?!?

The men-only venue is the Truth Stage while Idles are on tbf.

[Tuna]

2 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

The men-only venue is the Truth Stage while Idles are on tbf.

The perfect audience to talk about toxic masculinity at least. 

[John the Moth]

2 hours ago, youngatheart said:

Being on the wrong side of 50 but with the mental age of a 17 yr old i will be spending alot of my time here once wife and kidz are settled for night ,,,he he..

Probably be the same. I keep telling the wife we’ll take turns on the early nights taking the little ‘un back to camp, she just side eyes me and says “rigggghhhht” ?

[Time Being]

So based on this announcement, are we thinking the layout will be more or less the same? 

[gratefulbread]

4 hours ago, kingbadger said:

Lived experience mate. Blokes have never had to worry what would happen to them on a night out. Unfortunately that thought crosses most women's minds every time, including at Glastonbury. At the end of the day you can't assume a woman's opinion because you don't have that life experience.

I can remember being out in London a couple of years ago, met a couple of girls. Got chatting, got on like a house on fire, we ended up having a really good night out. One of them mentioned how nice it was to be out with a "gentleman" who wasn't trying to touch them up or hit on them. I laughed this off, thinking it was a joke. No shit, couple of minutes later some creep sidled up and without saying a word properly felt up this girl's arse. She looked at me and said "that's what I mean". Tried to deck the c**t but his mates pulled him away and scarpered. 

I don't think you're that guy mate, I just think you're like I was, naive to the unfortunate reality facing women in this day and age. It shouldn't happen but it does, and we should recognise that and try to deal with it. 

At the end of the day neither me nor you can speak for women and their experience, or what makes them feel safe. We're not the ones who have been victimised, marginalised, abused etc. Whilst you might not feel it's your battle, at least try to stand it's still a battle for a hell of a lot of women. 

Great post.

[CaledonianGonzo]

 

6 hours ago, dentalplan said:

The men-only venue is the Truth Stage while Idles are on tbf.

Or the Astrolabe during Jonathan Pie.

[stuartbert two hats]

7 hours ago, kingbadger said:

Lived experience mate. Blokes have never had to worry what would happen to them on a night out. Unfortunately that thought crosses most women's minds every time, including at Glastonbury. At the end of the day you can't assume a woman's opinion because you don't have that life experience.

I can remember being out in London a couple of years ago, met a couple of girls. Got chatting, got on like a house on fire, we ended up having a really good night out. One of them mentioned how nice it was to be out with a "gentleman" who wasn't trying to touch them up or hit on them. I laughed this off, thinking it was a joke. No shit, couple of minutes later some creep sidled up and without saying a word properly felt up this girl's arse. She looked at me and said "that's what I mean". Tried to deck the c**t but his mates pulled him away and scarpered. 

I don't think you're that guy mate, I just think you're like I was, naive to the unfortunate reality facing women in this day and age. It shouldn't happen but it does, and we should recognise that and try to deal with it. 

At the end of the day neither me nor you can speak for women and their experience, or what makes them feel safe. We're not the ones who have been victimised, marginalised, abused etc. Whilst you might not feel it's your battle, at least try to stand it's still a battle for a hell of a lot of women. 

Well put, I'm still out of upvotes unfortunately.

[CaledonianGonzo]

This is the Sisterhood's third year. I must have missed the previous iterations causing the festival to grind to a halt or the world to spin off its axis.

[cb4747]

7 hours ago, dentalplan said:

The men-only venue is the Truth Stage while Idles are on tbf.

Is it really men only?

[sadimmock]

7 hours ago, Tuna said:

The perfect audience to talk about toxic masculinity at least. 

I’m not sure that I understand what you mean here. Could you please expand? 

[barkley87]

8 hours ago, kingbadger said:

Lived experience mate. Blokes have never had to worry what would happen to them on a night out. Unfortunately that thought crosses most women's minds every time, including at Glastonbury. At the end of the day you can't assume a woman's opinion because you don't have that life experience.

I can remember being out in London a couple of years ago, met a couple of girls. Got chatting, got on like a house on fire, we ended up having a really good night out. One of them mentioned how nice it was to be out with a "gentleman" who wasn't trying to touch them up or hit on them. I laughed this off, thinking it was a joke. No shit, couple of minutes later some creep sidled up and without saying a word properly felt up this girl's arse. She looked at me and said "that's what I mean". Tried to deck the c**t but his mates pulled him away and scarpered. 

I don't think you're that guy mate, I just think you're like I was, naive to the unfortunate reality facing women in this day and age. It shouldn't happen but it does, and we should recognise that and try to deal with it. 

At the end of the day neither me nor you can speak for women and their experience, or what makes them feel safe. We're not the ones who have been victimised, marginalised, abused etc. Whilst you might not feel it's your battle, at least try to stand it's still a battle for a hell of a lot of women. 

Thank you for this. It's absolutely spot on. 

Glasto is probably the only place in the world I'm generally comfortable walking about on my own at night. But I'm still always on guard, I can't help it.

[Gnomicide]

Scum stage info:

 

[dentalplan]

39 minutes ago, cb4747 said:

Is it really men only?

Nah, not by design anyway.

[stuartbert two hats]

44 minutes ago, sadimmock said:

I’m not sure that I understand what you mean here. Could you please expand? 

To me although the comment sounded sarcastic, I suspect it wasn't actually meant as such.  IDLES have a lot to say on the subject of toxic masculinity:

“What we wear, what we eat, what razor we use, high performance chewing gum, go faster shampoo, how we treat women, how we treat ourselves, how we die. I truly believe that masculinity has gone from an evolution of cultural praxis to a disease. I wanted to encourage a conversation about gender roles by writing this song.

http://diymag.com/2018/07/25/idles-new-song-samaritans-joy-as-an-act-of-resistance-video-watch

 

Also see:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8478133/idles-joy-as-an-act-of-resistance-interview

[cb4747]

33 minutes ago, barkley87 said:

Thank you for this. It's absolutely spot on. 

Glasto is probably the only place in the world I'm generally comfortable walking about on my own at night. But I'm still always on guard, I can't help it.

Same here! My boyfriend asked me what I would do if I woke up as a bloke and I told him I would go for a run and catch the sunrise. Never been brave enough to do that because I'm too afraid something would happen where I live. 

I feel comfortable at Glastonbury more so than any other festival but I am always cautious, it's just like an automatic response. 

[priest17]

Feels like it's also worth pointing out than in this vast, sprawling festival we all live in for nearly a week this women only venue is a small stage in a corner of a predominantly late night only are which is driven by art and a majority of the festival might not even hear about. The stage, as well as being the positive safe space people have mentioned, is effectively an installation for us to have this conversation. I think it's great on both counts.

[foolee]

If Idles are playing as suggested on the Truth Stage at around 1am on Friday night do you think it'll be possible to get in after Frank Turners set on Avolon? 

[Mardy]

1 minute ago, foolee said:

If Idles are playing as suggested on the Truth Stage at around 1am on Friday night do you think it'll be possible to get in after Frank Turners set on Avolon? 

yeah, that'll probably work. You're definitely in the right vicinity after FT finishes. I imagine there's going to be a significant amount of people on Friday evening doing Bragg at the Leftfield>Turner at the Avalon>Idles on the Tuth stage.

[Homer]

27 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

To me although the comment sounded sarcastic, I suspect it wasn't actually meant as such.  IDLES have a lot to say on the subject of toxic masculinity:

“What we wear, what we eat, what razor we use, high performance chewing gum, go faster shampoo, how we treat women, how we treat ourselves, how we die. I truly believe that masculinity has gone from an evolution of cultural praxis to a disease. I wanted to encourage a conversation about gender roles by writing this song.

http://diymag.com/2018/07/25/idles-new-song-samaritans-joy-as-an-act-of-resistance-video-watch

 

Also see:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8478133/idles-joy-as-an-act-of-resistance-interview

Slaves 'It Wasn't Her Fault':

You can point the finger but she's not the one to blame
For chemical reactions that are starting in your brain

[dentalplan]

ffs

[kalifire]

10 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

If your first thought when seeing there is a female only venue isn't "fair enough" then somethings wrong with your mindset.

100% this. I'd only add a single apostrophe.

I saw 'female only' and thought two things: 'good', and 'such a shame it's come to this'.

Personally, I think the problem with objecting to females having their own space is that it presumes some kind of base-level gender parity in terms of quality of life, that doesn't exist. To my shame, it took me a while to come to accept this. Like most men, I wouldn't dream of being knowingly predatory, invasive or even casually sexist. It was easier to project my own standards of behaviour onto other men and default to scepticism at broad-brush generalisations about what it's like 'as a woman', or 'what men are like'. It felt insulting to be included in that group because neither I, nor the people I know, are guilty of acting in that way.

Until I realised it's not about me.

The voices of women sharing their experiences of living in our culture are consistent and can't be ignored away by naval-gazing. Problems don't disappear into non-existence because they've don't personally involve us. We're inter-related and responsible as a collective for the society we live in; complicit in the worst of our crimes because that's who we are. And only through understanding, empathy, and speaking out in support of the victimised will we ever hope to better ourselves.

So when a poster drops at Glastonbury and one stage in an area full of stages in a festival full of areas decides to give women a breather from the day to day bullshit they have to put up with, I think 'good', and 'such a shame it's come to this'. If I think anything else, it's about how I can personally improve things so we move towards a place where can all just enjoy everything.

 

[Deadendfriends8]

So I've never done one of these Shangri-La headline sets.

What are the chances of me seeing all of Stormzy and getting past the SE corner queues to see Idles at 1am. Do we have any source on it being 1am start or is that an educated guess?

[5co77ie]

I believe the Truth stage is to get an Extinction Rebellion rebrand - and will be the Tell The Truth Stage

 

[kingbadger]

18 minutes ago, kalifire said:

Like most men, I wouldn't dream of being knowingly predatory, invasive or even casually sexist. It was easier to project my own standards of behaviour onto other men and default to scepticism at broad-brush generalisations about what it's like 'as a woman', or 'what men are like'. It felt insulting to be included in that group because neither I, nor the people I know, are guilty of acting in that way.

Until I realised it's not about me.

 

This is what I was trying to say last night, accept it puts the point across more eloquently and much better. The 10 pints probably didn't help me.

Vast majority of this forum are great people, and likely their friendship groups include the same sort of people who wouldn't behave the way we know some men can. So you're blinded to that because you're in a bubble of normal, decent people and therefore don't have that first-hand experience.

It's the same with racial prejudice, if you and your circle of friends are all white, you're not going to experience it.

Just because you don't see it in front of your face doesn't mean it's not there.

Gonna stop now as I'm just babbling and hungover and your post pretty much nailed it anyway.

[Divein]

34 minutes ago, Deadendfriends8 said:

So I've never done one of these Shangri-La headline sets.

What are the chances of me seeing all of Stormzy and getting past the SE corner queues to see Idles at 1am. Do we have any source on it being 1am start or is that an educated guess?

The only way to be safe really is to probably miss the end of Stormzy. If you catch him all then you've got to get out of the Pyramid crowd and them over to the SE corner and you're probably going to be at the back of the West Holts crowd who are trying to get in the SE corner as well.

I dont think it will be too bad getting in but that stage is going to be rammed for IDLES so it might be difficult to get a good spot.