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57 minutes ago, bombfrog said:

It's funny how lots of men on here seem to have a very different opinion to the women I know. If I was out in Birmingham city center on a Saturday night and my wife walked off on her own I would worry about her. At Glastonbury she regularly goes off to do her own thing and I've never worried at all (except about her own navigational skills). I wonder why it is that the women I know feel safe at Glastonbury but so many men feel they shouldn't?

Lived experience mate. Blokes have never had to worry what would happen to them on a night out. Unfortunately that thought crosses most women's minds every time, including at Glastonbury. At the end of the day you can't assume a woman's opinion because you don't have that life experience.

I can remember being out in London a couple of years ago, met a couple of girls. Got chatting, got on like a house on fire, we ended up having a really good night out. One of them mentioned how nice it was to be out with a "gentleman" who wasn't trying to touch them up or hit on them. I laughed this off, thinking it was a joke. No shit, couple of minutes later some creep sidled up and without saying a word properly felt up this girl's arse. She looked at me and said "that's what I mean". Tried to deck the c**t but his mates pulled him away and scarpered. 

I don't think you're that guy mate, I just think you're like I was, naive to the unfortunate reality facing women in this day and age. It shouldn't happen but it does, and we should recognise that and try to deal with it. 

At the end of the day neither me nor you can speak for women and their experience, or what makes them feel safe. We're not the ones who have been victimised, marginalised, abused etc. Whilst you might not feel it's your battle, at least try to stand it's still a battle for a hell of a lot of women. 

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24 minutes ago, gherkin8r said:

It doesn't have to be ALL good, nice people though. I think the vast majority of people at Glastonbury are and that should should be enough. 

I'm not taking it at all personally, I'm just not comfortable with the logic being used here. Not going to drag this on any further however. 

For argument's sake, maybe the vast majority are nice people at Glasto, but it only takes one person. I think you are right when you say you might be naive on this one if you think that an assault at a festival (it really doesn't matter which festival) is easily prevented by the victim confronting the abuser and calling upon kind strangers to intervene.

I don't really see where the flaw in the logic is. Everyone's already said it but just look at @chazwwe's post. There is a woman who feels vulnerable in busy places with lots of men, would appreciate a place to feel safe, and there is one. The logic is that simple. It's not creating a divided festival, it's one room!

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1 minute ago, dentalplan said:

For argument's sake, maybe the vast majority are nice people at Glasto, but it only takes one person. I think you are right when you say you might be naive on this one if you think that an assault at a festival (it really doesn't matter which festival) is easily prevented by the victim confronting the abuser and calling upon kind strangers to intervene.

 I don't really see where the flaw in the logic is. Everyone's already said it but just look at @chazwwe's post. There is a woman who feels vulnerable in busy places with lots of men, would appreciate a place to feel safe, and there is one. The logic is that simple. It's not creating a divided festival, it's one room!

She even said its not a place she will probably go to, its just nice to have in the back of her head that there is a place she CAN go to. Especially in the area that is the South East Corner. 

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Christ imagine being part of a group of people who are regularly marginalised for something as seemingly harmless as the gender they identify as being given a space amongst a progressive group of people where they have a full guarantee of a harassment free night. But what about the men!?!?

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Anyway I don't think there are enough big ticket late night acts here to significantly take away from other late night areas. Thank God block9 has expanded. 

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11 minutes ago, Tuna said:

But what about the men!?!?

The men-only venue is the Truth Stage while Idles are on tbf.

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2 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

The men-only venue is the Truth Stage while Idles are on tbf.

The perfect audience to talk about toxic masculinity at least. 

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2 hours ago, youngatheart said:

Being on the wrong side of 50 but with the mental age of a 17 yr old i will be spending alot of my time here once wife and kidz are settled for night ,,,he he..

Probably be the same. I keep telling the wife we’ll take turns on the early nights taking the little ‘un back to camp, she just side eyes me and says “rigggghhhht” 🤣

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4 hours ago, kingbadger said:

Lived experience mate. Blokes have never had to worry what would happen to them on a night out. Unfortunately that thought crosses most women's minds every time, including at Glastonbury. At the end of the day you can't assume a woman's opinion because you don't have that life experience.

I can remember being out in London a couple of years ago, met a couple of girls. Got chatting, got on like a house on fire, we ended up having a really good night out. One of them mentioned how nice it was to be out with a "gentleman" who wasn't trying to touch them up or hit on them. I laughed this off, thinking it was a joke. No shit, couple of minutes later some creep sidled up and without saying a word properly felt up this girl's arse. She looked at me and said "that's what I mean". Tried to deck the c**t but his mates pulled him away and scarpered. 

I don't think you're that guy mate, I just think you're like I was, naive to the unfortunate reality facing women in this day and age. It shouldn't happen but it does, and we should recognise that and try to deal with it. 

At the end of the day neither me nor you can speak for women and their experience, or what makes them feel safe. We're not the ones who have been victimised, marginalised, abused etc. Whilst you might not feel it's your battle, at least try to stand it's still a battle for a hell of a lot of women. 

Great post.

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6 hours ago, dentalplan said:

The men-only venue is the Truth Stage while Idles are on tbf.

Or the Astrolabe during Jonathan Pie.

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7 hours ago, kingbadger said:

Lived experience mate. Blokes have never had to worry what would happen to them on a night out. Unfortunately that thought crosses most women's minds every time, including at Glastonbury. At the end of the day you can't assume a woman's opinion because you don't have that life experience.

I can remember being out in London a couple of years ago, met a couple of girls. Got chatting, got on like a house on fire, we ended up having a really good night out. One of them mentioned how nice it was to be out with a "gentleman" who wasn't trying to touch them up or hit on them. I laughed this off, thinking it was a joke. No shit, couple of minutes later some creep sidled up and without saying a word properly felt up this girl's arse. She looked at me and said "that's what I mean". Tried to deck the c**t but his mates pulled him away and scarpered. 

I don't think you're that guy mate, I just think you're like I was, naive to the unfortunate reality facing women in this day and age. It shouldn't happen but it does, and we should recognise that and try to deal with it. 

At the end of the day neither me nor you can speak for women and their experience, or what makes them feel safe. We're not the ones who have been victimised, marginalised, abused etc. Whilst you might not feel it's your battle, at least try to stand it's still a battle for a hell of a lot of women. 

Well put, I'm still out of upvotes unfortunately.

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This is the Sisterhood's third year. I must have missed the previous iterations causing the festival to grind to a halt or the world to spin off its axis.

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7 hours ago, dentalplan said:

The men-only venue is the Truth Stage while Idles are on tbf.

Is it really men only?

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7 hours ago, Tuna said:

The perfect audience to talk about toxic masculinity at least. 

I’m not sure that I understand what you mean here. Could you please expand? 

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8 hours ago, kingbadger said:

Lived experience mate. Blokes have never had to worry what would happen to them on a night out. Unfortunately that thought crosses most women's minds every time, including at Glastonbury. At the end of the day you can't assume a woman's opinion because you don't have that life experience.

I can remember being out in London a couple of years ago, met a couple of girls. Got chatting, got on like a house on fire, we ended up having a really good night out. One of them mentioned how nice it was to be out with a "gentleman" who wasn't trying to touch them up or hit on them. I laughed this off, thinking it was a joke. No shit, couple of minutes later some creep sidled up and without saying a word properly felt up this girl's arse. She looked at me and said "that's what I mean". Tried to deck the c**t but his mates pulled him away and scarpered. 

I don't think you're that guy mate, I just think you're like I was, naive to the unfortunate reality facing women in this day and age. It shouldn't happen but it does, and we should recognise that and try to deal with it. 

At the end of the day neither me nor you can speak for women and their experience, or what makes them feel safe. We're not the ones who have been victimised, marginalised, abused etc. Whilst you might not feel it's your battle, at least try to stand it's still a battle for a hell of a lot of women. 

Thank you for this. It's absolutely spot on. 

Glasto is probably the only place in the world I'm generally comfortable walking about on my own at night. But I'm still always on guard, I can't help it.

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44 minutes ago, sadimmock said:

I’m not sure that I understand what you mean here. Could you please expand? 

To me although the comment sounded sarcastic, I suspect it wasn't actually meant as such.  IDLES have a lot to say on the subject of toxic masculinity:

“What we wear, what we eat, what razor we use, high performance chewing gum, go faster shampoo, how we treat women, how we treat ourselves, how we die. I truly believe that masculinity has gone from an evolution of cultural praxis to a disease. I wanted to encourage a conversation about gender roles by writing this song.

http://diymag.com/2018/07/25/idles-new-song-samaritans-joy-as-an-act-of-resistance-video-watch

 

Also see:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8478133/idles-joy-as-an-act-of-resistance-interview

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33 minutes ago, barkley87 said:

Thank you for this. It's absolutely spot on. 

Glasto is probably the only place in the world I'm generally comfortable walking about on my own at night. But I'm still always on guard, I can't help it.

Same here! My boyfriend asked me what I would do if I woke up as a bloke and I told him I would go for a run and catch the sunrise. Never been brave enough to do that because I'm too afraid something would happen where I live. 

I feel comfortable at Glastonbury more so than any other festival but I am always cautious, it's just like an automatic response. 

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Feels like it's also worth pointing out than in this vast, sprawling festival we all live in for nearly a week this women only venue is a small stage in a corner of a predominantly late night only are which is driven by art and a majority of the festival might not even hear about. The stage, as well as being the positive safe space people have mentioned, is effectively an installation for us to have this conversation. I think it's great on both counts.

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If Idles are playing as suggested on the Truth Stage at around 1am on Friday night do you think it'll be possible to get in after Frank Turners set on Avolon? 

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1 minute ago, foolee said:

If Idles are playing as suggested on the Truth Stage at around 1am on Friday night do you think it'll be possible to get in after Frank Turners set on Avolon? 

yeah, that'll probably work. You're definitely in the right vicinity after FT finishes. I imagine there's going to be a significant amount of people on Friday evening doing Bragg at the Leftfield>Turner at the Avalon>Idles on the Tuth stage.

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27 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

To me although the comment sounded sarcastic, I suspect it wasn't actually meant as such.  IDLES have a lot to say on the subject of toxic masculinity:

“What we wear, what we eat, what razor we use, high performance chewing gum, go faster shampoo, how we treat women, how we treat ourselves, how we die. I truly believe that masculinity has gone from an evolution of cultural praxis to a disease. I wanted to encourage a conversation about gender roles by writing this song.

http://diymag.com/2018/07/25/idles-new-song-samaritans-joy-as-an-act-of-resistance-video-watch

 

Also see:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8478133/idles-joy-as-an-act-of-resistance-interview


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You can point the finger but she's not the one to blame
For chemical reactions that are starting in your brain

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