When will this shit end?

[zahidf]

Mark Harper, the chair of the Covid Recovery Group, which represents lockdown-sceptic Tories, says hospital admission data is misleading because it included people testing positive for Covid, even if that is not why they were admitted to hospital. Policy should not be determined by “dodgy data”, he says.

Javid says Harper is making a “very good point”. He says he has asked for advice on whether the way the data is collected can change.

[efcfanwirral]

 

[zahidf]

 

[zahidf]

Just now, efcfanwirral said:

 

Uh oh. Hopefully deaths stay low and we can ignore the boffins if they try to take our freedoms again.

[incident]

Just now, zahidf said:

Mark Harper, the chair of the Covid Recovery Group, which represents lockdown-sceptic Tories, says hospital admission data is misleading because it included people testing positive for Covid, even if that is not why they were admitted to hospital. Policy should not be determined by “dodgy data”, he says.

Javid says Harper is making a “very good point”. He says he has asked for advice on whether the way the data is collected can change.

While it pains me to agree with one of those absolute arsewipes, he's right. And while the numbers are far too low to say with any confidence, I pointed out the other day that it's possible and maybe even probable that the same applies to death numbers - in the previous waves deaths attributed to covid were significantly higher than deaths with a positive test, whereas now they're slightly lower. But the numbers are low enough that we can't say for sure and that itself should be seen as a huge positive.

[steviewevie]

What time is the Bojo, Whitty and Vallance show on?

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Mark Harper, the chair of the Covid Recovery Group, which represents lockdown-sceptic Tories, says hospital admission data is misleading because it included people testing positive for Covid, even if that is not why they were admitted to hospital. Policy should not be determined by “dodgy data”, he says.

Javid says Harper is making a “very good point”. He says he has asked for advice on whether the way the data is collected can change.

So those numbers will likely reflect the numbers that are currently going into hospital and be the same as the community transmission figures 1 in whatever the latest amount is ? It’s not dodgy data … it just needs adjusting to reflect the current figure … although it would still be a case 

Edited July 12, 2021 by crazyfool1

[Ozanne]

Just now, steviewevie said:

What time is the Bojo, Whitty and Vallance show on?

5pm.

[Nobody Interesting]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

What time is the Bojo, Whitty and Vallance show on?

5pm and the script will be identical

[steviewevie]

panorama about LoNG cOvId tonight.

[Ozanne]

Vaccination update:

[Ozanne]

Vaccination weekly figures:

[Radiochicken]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Vaccination update:

Fizzling out way too quickly. Must be quite a lot of 18-30s not coming forward so far?

[Ozanne]

 

 

 

[zahidf]

6 minutes ago, Radiochicken said:

Fizzling out way too quickly. Must be quite a lot of 18-30s not coming forward so far?

some hesitancy for sure. But tbh, i think the current vaccination process is getting towards the end 

[gazzared]

16 minutes ago, Radiochicken said:

Fizzling out way too quickly. Must be quite a lot of 18-30s not coming forward so far?

I think one of the problems is that it's mostly the 18 - 30s catching covid now which then means they can't be vaccinated for a month (I think it's a month). My daughter and her boyfriend both caught it a few weeks ago and they were due to be vaccinated the following day 😭

[zahidf]

Sage says next peak in deaths almost certain to be 'considerably smaller' than in January

And here is a chart from another document just released from Sage. The document summarises the results of the three modelling exercises conducted for Sage (by Warwick University, Imperial College London and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine) looking at what might happen to case numbers, hospitalisations and deaths after 19 July.

The report says “the next peak in deaths will almost certainly be considerably smaller than that of January 2021”.

In January deaths peaked at 1,359, by date of death.

SAGE also recommends cracking on with July 19th 

[Matt42]

Vaccine passports for pubs clubs and festivals I imagine 

[Ozanne]

I've had the invite to book for my 2nd vaccine, all booked up for 24th July!

[efcfanwirral]

28 minutes ago, gazzared said:

I think one of the problems is that it's mostly the 18 - 30s catching covid now which then means they can't be vaccinated for a month (I think it's a month). My daughter and her boyfriend both caught it a few weeks ago and they were due to be vaccinated the following day 😭

They'll still be positively contributing to our case numbers over that month - you'd imagine they won't be reinfected that quick  - the only thing it affects is vaccine numbers which are only part of the picture 

[efcfanwirral]

Blame the public, autumn restrictions. Events probably to get part of the blame too. Its all so transparent and obvious - we aren't going back to normal for long...

[Chapple12345]

12 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Vaccine passports for pubs clubs and festivals I imagine 

I'd be more comfortable going to an event if it were done this way but it wouldn't define my whole evening if they didn't 

[Homer]

Not many masks to be seen on the way to and on the way back from Wembley yesterday.

[Ozanne]

The question just now was key, 'What do you expect people to do from next week?'

Johnson hasn't really got a clue, he's proper muddled things now.

[stuartbert two hats]

26 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I've had the invite to book for my 2nd vaccine, all booked up for 24th July!

How big a gap is that?