When will this shit end?

[BobWillis2]

25 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

I'm under 40. Do I have any underlying health conditions? I don't know. 

That's the thing people are missing. Unless you actually have known health conditions, when you're that young you're not getting regular check-ups. Most of those people in their 30s and 40s that died of COVID but had "underlying health conditions" didn't know they had those conditions. 

I might be wrong but I would have thought for the underlying health condition to be bad enough that covid was more dangerous to that person than someone without the condition then that person would almost certainly know they had it. 
These would be conditions being managed in some way, shape or form. 
Obviously sometimes they can be completely unknown for example heart issues but you would be at just as much risk doing strenuous activities or exercising as you would be catching covid. 

[BobWillis2]

In my opinion  as I’ve said many times the need for a cautious approach should have ended after the over 50’s had 1 jab +3 weeks. Which was a fairly cautious approach in itself as in reality jabbing groups 1-4 was enough to ease the the vast majority of the pressure on the NHS which is why we’ve been in lockdowns in the first place, not to save every life. 

[DeanoL]

Just now, BobWillis2 said:

I might be wrong but I would have thought for the underlying health condition to be bad enough that covid was more dangerous to that person than someone without the condition then that person would almost certainly know they had it. 
These would be conditions being managed in some way, shape or form. 
Obviously sometimes they can be completely unknown for example heart issues but you would be at just as much risk doing strenuous activities or exercising as you would be catching covid. 

Not necessarily. Diabetes is one of the big risk factors for COVID and goes massively undiagnosed in younger folk. 

[fraybentos1]

1 minute ago, DeanoL said:

Not necessarily. Diabetes is one of the big risk factors for COVID and goes massively undiagnosed in younger folk. 

Can concur with this one, my friend is 25 and was diagnosed with Type 1 last year after not knowing what was up with him for ages.

[Reckoner]

2 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

In my opinion  as I’ve said many times the need for a cautious approach should have ended after the over 50’s had 1 jab +3 weeks. Which was a fairly cautious approach in itself as in reality jabbing groups 1-4 was enough to ease the the vast majority of the pressure on the NHS which is why we’ve been in lockdowns in the first place, not to save every life. 

Is not the path Chile went down?

[BobWillis2]

1 minute ago, Gregfc15 said:

Is not the path Chile went down?

No. They’d barely started on the over 70’s if I remember correctly. 

[steviewevie]

and meanwhile Ozanne posts about struggles with anxiety and gets a downvote.

I am not really introverted...although I am definitely past needing to get out there and party...and at same time I don't suffer from anxiety or anything...so I am pleased for this to be over, but not desperate. I am sick of masks, I am sick of all the social distancing thing, sick of not being able to go to places or visit people...but in the end we had to to stop health services being overwhelmed and mass casualties. In a few weeks more things will be open, and next month we hopefully will have social distancing gone...although may need vaccine certificates or tests or something.  And also this thread can be binned.

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Can concur with this one, my friend is 25 and was diagnosed with Type 1 last year after not knowing what was up with him for ages.

Oh and me ….  

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

3 hours ago, JoeyT said:

It's interesting in that clearly their strategy has worked in suppressing / eliminating the virus and it's no doubt the extra freedoms this has allowed citizens is much more palatable compared to what most of the rest of the world has endured. 

You'd think there will come a point however when mood may swing due to the restricting rules of not being able to leave the country whilst potentially watching many other countries returning to free movement?

My sister said the vaccination programme in Western Australia is dire and very slow moving.

Maybe that's the pay-off? Slow vaccine rollout equals tougher border measures and snap lockdowns, as opposed to a rapid vaccination programme and a gradual relaxation of restrictions?

I lived in WA for two years. There are much worse places to be "stranded", I suppose? 😂 That said, Perth was isolated before the lockdown!

[fraybentos1]

7 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Oh and me ….  

I always thought that Type 1 meant you just knew you had it from birth. I know now that isn't the case.

[Ozanne]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

and meanwhile Ozanne posts about struggles with anxiety and gets a downvote.

I am not really introverted...although I am definitely past needing to get out there and party...and at same time I don't suffer from anxiety or anything...so I am pleased for this to be over, but not desperate. I am sick of masks, I am sick of all the social distancing thing, sick of not being able to go to places or visit people...but in the end we had to to stop health services being overwhelmed and mass casualties. In a few weeks more things will be open, and next month we hopefully will have social distancing gone...although may need vaccine certificates or tests or something.  And also this thread can be binned.

Seems a bit against the spirit of the conversation going on in here.

I think we are all desperate on some level for this to be over even if it’s just to see family and friends without the worry of passing on the virus or to hug a loved one. There are some aspects of the pandemic we can take forward but in the main it’ll be a part of our lives we can’t wait to leave behind. 

[SwedgeAntilles]

45 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

If everyone was like you then the world would be a better place.

Unfortunately though, too many introverts used lockdown as a point scoring exercise. “Look at me, society is finally catered for introverts to fuck anyone who actually enjoys company. I love staying at home and so should you” sort of rhetoric.

These sort of people have taken genuine pleasure in the fact that for myself and others it’s been a year of having to decide between breaking the law to see our loved ones, or not seeing them at all. 

Had there been more attempts to design a more compassionate lockdown (e.g. close the pubs, but you can socialise with people you love if you really need to) then I’d be more compassionate. But the introverts succeeded in completely criminalising basic socialising. That’s why I don’t have sympathy with them. 11 more days until seeing my partner isn’t a crime. Not that it will make any difference in practical terms since I’m doing it anyway but I can’t wait until the day when no one can try to stop me. 

You're waging a one-man war against people you've invented in your own head.

[Fuzzy Afro]

22 minutes ago, Gregfc15 said:

Is not the path Chile went down?

It helps when you use vaccines that are actually good, tbf. 

25 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Not necessarily. Diabetes is one of the big risk factors for COVID and goes massively undiagnosed in younger folk. 

Is there any evidence that diabetics in their 20s and 30s have worse outcomes from covid than those without diabetes in the same age group? I know a handful of young diabetics and there is no way covid is getting them. 

[zahidf]

 

[Fuzzy Afro]

7 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

You're waging a one-man war against people you've invented in your own head.

Have you ever looked at the #stayathome type hashtags on twitter? Even saw one guy suggest that the 12 week gap between vaccines will cause a third wave as the vulnerable groups will have their protection wear off before getting the second dose. 

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

I always thought that Type 1 meant you just knew you had it from birth. I know now that isn't the case.

My sister was diagnosed with type 1 aged 7 … I was diagnosed at 32 … likely because of some genetic imbalance with parents … family history is very very distant … very common misconception it’s always down to obesity … Type 1 and 2 are very different … and really should be named differently … I had some issues with eyesight , drinking and pissing loads through the night and just a general shit feeling , I went to dr and was diagnosed on the spot … bit of education on this here and I’ve divulged slightly … please look out for any of these symptoms … I was lucky and was able to get released from hospital the same day … but it can be far worse .. hopefully this post will give someone a nudge at some point in the future … 

[SwedgeAntilles]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Have you ever looked at the #stayathome type hashtags on twitter? Even saw one guy suggest that the 12 week gap between vaccines will cause a third wave as the vulnerable groups will have their protection wear off before getting the second dose. 

No, and I wouldn't be forming any opinions on the basis of replies to a hashtag in the twitter bubble.

While you're asking for evidence; where's your evidence that the introverts on twitter, as you put it: "succeeded in completely criminalising basic socialising"?

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

No, and I wouldn't be forming any opinions on the basis of replies to a hashtag in the twitter bubble.

While you're asking for evidence; where's your evidence that the introverts on twitter, as you put it: "succeeded in completely criminalising basic socialising"?

Look at tier 2 lockdowns. The first thing to get binned is the basic human right to invite a friend into your home. Losing that is FAR worse than covid. Frankly it should take an Ebola-esque pandemic for a lockdown like that to be brought in. 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

You live in a echo chamber or you are blind

Echo chamber ? There’s quite a variety of posts on here … does it get called an echo chamber once someone thinks differently to you ? 

[swede]

6 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Look at tier 2 lockdowns. The first thing to get binned is the basic human right to invite a friend into your home. Losing that is FAR worse than covid. Frankly it should take an Ebola-esque pandemic for a lockdown like that to be brought in. 

What a terrible statement to make considering the number of people who have died of Covid, including my brother in laws best mate in January. 

I have a lot of vulnerable people within my close family group, yes, I couldn't see them for months on end, but at least they're all alive. 

Edited May 6, 2021 by swede

[jimmillen]

18 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Have you ever looked at the #stayathome type hashtags on twitter? Even saw one guy suggest that the 12 week gap between vaccines will cause a third wave as the vulnerable groups will have their protection wear off before getting the second dose. 

 

Dude, if you go deliberately seeking out extremes of opinion on social media then of course you'll find them, that's kind of what social media does best. Focusing on those weirdos' opinions is no way to find contentment in life.

Same applies to the rabid anti-lockdown wingnuts too, of course.

[kalifire]

1 hour ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

You're waging a one-man war against people you've invented in your own head.

It's tragic that the people accusing others of exploiting the situation to achieve some kind of agenda, are themselves either inventing or grossly exaggerating narratives designed to justify their perceptions, all without a sliver of irony.

The new wave of societal tribalism, fuelled by entitlement and the 'pick your reality' nature of the internet with all its fringe websites and communities, is truly eroding our fundamental inter-connectedness and replacing it with a superficial, self-serving duplicate. It's reversing our progress as a species, and it's playing out before our eyes. Right now. Occasionally things will happen - usually political - which sharpens our focus and make it more clear (Brexit, the election of Trump and Biden, the Covid fallout), but it's not inherently political - it's epistemological.

It's the lack of standards of knowledge and truth; the retreat into mutual affirmation cults when we feel challenged. Many of us are guilty of doing it, myself included. It's the emergence of concepts like 'alternative facts'. It's Gove mocking accomplished experts on live television because they don't help his agenda. It's our increasing malleability when it comes to notable 'characters' instead of holding them to account.

Ultimately, it's about holding ourselves to a standard when it comes to what's true. It's about recognising nuance and seeing uncertainty as authentic, not a weakness. It's about self-respect, and respecting others.

I don't know how we get past this, which is what I find the most difficult to cope with. My hope is that most of this lives online, which is why places like Glastonbury are such a tonic for the soul. But then things like correlations between racist attacks and fringe conspiracies about Covid occur; the mob attack on the Capitol building in DC happens, and we start to see this kind of erosive radicalisation spill over into real life.

George Carlin once said: "think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that." Too many of us think the 'stupid people' are the ones who don't agree with us - the ones who 'can't see the truth' or 'just don't get it'. The reality is we're all stupid. None of us really have a clue what's going on, who's behind it, or why. We're all just doing our best to get by, taking an interest and forming opinions based on not enough.

Rather than build divisions in our collective ignorance, I wish we would recognise and celebrate what we have in common and let that be our starting point; giving each other a chance and accepting disagreement rather than writing each other off from the start.

Edited May 6, 2021 by kalifire

[Mr.Tease]

46 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Look at tier 2 lockdowns. The first thing to get binned is the basic human right to invite a friend into your home. Losing that is FAR worse than covid. Frankly it should take an Ebola-esque pandemic for a lockdown like that to be brought in. 

 I don’t get what kind of life you’ve led when not having your friends round to your house is some unimaginable suffering, literally worse than death, when for most of us it’s part of life- a lot of us only see some of our friends at glastonbury because we live a long distance apart.
 

Have you ever had a friend die, or a family member you love? You realise that when that happens you can never have them round your house ever again? I just don’t get where you’re coming from sometimes with some of the grand statements you make.

[Crazyfool01]

Some fantastic posts today … restores faith in humanity today as many of us go and cast our votes 😀

[Paul ™]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

 

This is welcoming news, the tests have been overpriced for far too long.