When will this shit end?

[Copperface]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I know we're not really allowed to say it (and soon it'll be illegal) but it IS an experimental technology never before used on a mass scale in people. If they can afford to do it then good on them - we only have to rush it because of our reliance on shocking inequality to keep the country moving and unstable economy 

Those countries mentioned do have the luxury of not being in the shitfest position we and the USA find ourselves in. It may hurt economically, but they have the public health aspect pretty much under control so can afford some time to wait and watch.

I do fully trust the vaccines and am no sceptic  but you can see why some are nervous when you see this:

"AstraZeneca to be exempt from coronavirus vaccine liability claims in most countries"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability-idUSKCN24V2EN

[xxialac]

1 minute ago, jannybruck said:

Feel a bit uncomfortable with the subtext of this tweet being "people are ignoring lockdown" and the blame being shifted to the public. I live here in London and barely anything's open, there's nothing to do apart from go walking. These increased public transportation rides are almost certainly majority down to offices staying open and people being forced to/needing to work. I know so many people that WFH first time around that have been put back in offices.

Totally. The buck stops with the government. Wrong messaging, too much flex in the rules particularly about what constitutes an essential shop and work from home measures and not enough leading by example too. Why can't Johnson do the next briefing wearing a face mask for example?

 

[found home in 2009]

1 hour ago, xxialac said:

I don't mean to be pedantic but that wouldn't be banning exercise.

Joe Wicks did a live exercise workout to 1million people who spent no money, needed no kit and required no more than a couple of metres of space.

Where there's a will, there's a way...

I take it you don't live in a flat? Worst point of lock down was when my upstairs neighbour decided he was going to start doing boxing training. Felt like our ceiling was going to cave in. Not the best for concentration when you're trying to work or study!

Don't think you can have a decent exercise indoors without expensive equipment if you live in a flat without pissing off your downstairs neighbour.

[efcfanwirral]

2 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Those countries mentioned do have the luxury of not being in the shitfest position we and the USA find ourselves in. It may hurt economically, but they have the public health aspect pretty much under control so can afford some time to wait and watch.

I do fully trust the vaccines and am no sceptic  but you can see why some are nervous when you see this:

"AstraZeneca to be exempt from coronavirus vaccine liability claims in most countries"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability-idUSKCN24V2EN

Yeah this is it - even the "usual" tiny % of bad effects (like the flu one) become reasonable absolute numbers when rolled out to the entire population. It's not necessarily the vaccines fault, more people's immune systems, but still not the best. While its just bad luck and its obviously important we all take it, those people should have a way to be compensated

[xxialac]

1 minute ago, found home in 2009 said:

I take it you don't live in a flat? Worst point of lock down was when my upstairs neighbour decided he was going to start doing boxing training. Felt like our ceiling was going to cave in. Not the best for concentration when you're trying to work or study!

Don't think you can have a decent exercise indoors without expensive equipment if you live in a flat without pissing off your downstairs neighbour.

Actually I agree with you.

Was just trying to challenge the notion that all exercise requires the outdoors.

[Radiochicken]

22 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

68,053 cases. 1352 deaths. Really nasty today guys. Although tests are above 600k for yesterday.

Yikes yikes yikes 

[efcfanwirral]

17,000 cases in London today - no wonder he declared the emergency, it looked like it was going down yesterday but has shot back up. 

All the numbers are here in the top comment, lots of breakdowns of different figures - I'm sure your all familiar with this reddit sub (and probably avoid it for that reason, as you probably should) but each day this one person compiles the data and it's very helpful and worth checking out if you're into numbers 

[eFestivals]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

they don't normally vaccinate 2million a week do they?

About 10m have the flu jab in around 6-8 weeks each year.

[DeanoL]

33 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

I did drive on Wednesday morning as I decided to move back to my parents for this lockdown. I know I was technically contributing to the problem (although legally I fell into the “moving house category as I intend to stay here now) but the roads were packed. I even got stuck in traffic coming back into my home town, which surprised me.

Having done this a month ago, its' a right old faff. Bear in mind that if you have any stuff left at your old place, or you own the house, your buildings/contents insurance won't cover it while you're not living there. Also have to notify the council as most charge a council tax premium for empty homes.

[Dark Star]

Horrible figures today 😞

It doesn't help when companies are pushing their luck over what is considered to be a business critical role. For a utility provider, that should be engineers that ensure the electric and gas reach the homes, and that the water supply and drainage is functioning. I work for a utility company and those of us who work in office admin, with no contact to the aspects of the business deemed to be essential, are being told we are business critical. I'm sure Mrs Smith can cope if someone spelt her name wrong on the system. Most are working from home but those who can't doing these oh so essential office roles still have to attend. As part of that attending the office, I can say the traffic here is higher in rush hour than during the so called second lockdown. 

[Guest]

Those figures are horrible today, looks like this is the impact being seen now of Christmas mixing. 

[zahidf]

37 minutes ago, xxialac said:

And there we have it, the government has lots control.

We simply can't afford to have a half-baked Lockdown now. Khan is right that we have to go further.

Its ane enforcement issue. Not a rules issue 

[zahidf]

WTF???

[xxialac]

Just now, zahidf said:

Its ane enforcement issue. Not a rules issue 

I'm not saying the rules are weak now. But they were weak at Christmas which has caused the issue now.

And because the issue has been allowed to get out of control, both the rules and enforcement need to be strengthened.

[Zoo Music Girl]

17 minutes ago, found home in 2009 said:

I take it you don't live in a flat? Worst point of lock down was when my upstairs neighbour decided he was going to start doing boxing training. Felt like our ceiling was going to cave in. Not the best for concentration when you're trying to work or study!

Don't think you can have a decent exercise indoors without expensive equipment if you live in a flat without pissing off your downstairs neighbour.

Yes we have the same thing from the kid upstairs doing PE and she's tiny! I'm very grateful we are on the ground floor now as otherwise I think I'd be too worried about the noise to do anything).

[xxialac]

5 minutes ago, zahidf said:

WTF???

Needs a follow up.

Is cretin JAN MOIR trying to turn people against us journalists?

[Guest]

London:

 

[Ryan1984]

6 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Needs a follow up.

Is cretin JAN MOIR trying to turn people against us journalists?

People like her will have their time (*obviously won’t be all over 65s like the below tweet suggests):

 

[stuartbert two hats]

3 hours ago, Leyrulion said:

Other stuff could be

Close non essential construction for 3 weeks. Unless you're building hospitals or doing essential repairs on houses like fixing a boiler.

Stop house viewings and valuations, stick to online only.

Clamp down on essential/non essential shops. The Ye Olde sweet shop near me is still open and I'd probably class WHSmiths type places in that as well. 

 

My electrician rang to check that I was still ok for some work to carry on and seemed really confused when I offered to pay some of the money to keep him going, since obviously everyone else would be postponing their work.  Nah, nobody else seemed to give a shit.

[Fuzzy Afro]

Yikes. Just went on the tube to attend a medical appointment and there were multiple people coughing, I kept having to move carriage. Feels like half of London is walking around with covid symptoms. 
 

I think I’ll get an Uber next time. 

Edited January 8, 2021 by Fuzzy Afro

[efcfanwirral]

10 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Yikes. Just went on the tube to attend a medical appointment and there were multiple people coughing, I kept having to move carriage. Feels like half of London is walking around with covid symptoms. 
 

I think I’ll get an Uber next time. 

the numbers certainly back that up when you consider many won't even be getting tested 😞

[zahidf]

16 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

People like her will have their time (*obviously won’t be all over 65s like the below tweet suggests):

 

Well yes, thats pretty much what the Govt has said. 

[Copperface]

Interesting article from editor of GPs house magazine Pulse. It's paywalled so have copied cached version. Make of it what you will.

"In March, I didn’t have the heart to contradict friends who thought we would be back to ‘normal’ by the end of 2020. My suspicion was that you could add a year to that, and it would still be optimistic.

That may still be true. But despite the horrible increase in infections over the new year, I’m feeling more optimistic about the exit plan than at any time since February 2020. And at the start of the new year, it feels right to take a step back and reflect.

The most obvious positive is the vaccine. If you’d told me in March that a safe and effective vaccine would be developed and the NHS reconfigured to focus on rolling it out by Christmas, I would have concluded you were a graduate of the Boris Johnson School of Honesty.

But not only has this happened, but there are already two onstream. GPs have acted impeccably to set up PCN groupings. Having taken my two elderly parents to get vaccinated on New Year’s Eve, I was in awe of how efficient t was (shout out to the Caversham Group Practice, if anyone is reading!)

GPs have shifted services to accommodate the biggest public health programme of all time in this country. They have been patiently explaining the importance of the vaccine to patients, and dealing with their numerous and understandable questions and concerns. That they are also having to cancel pre-booked appointments. That they can do so just shows how flexible they – and the independent contractor status – are.

Equally as important, they have highlighted the problems, most crucially the question of how practices can continue all their other work alongside the vaccine rollout. We’ve already seen some PCN groupings forced to opt out because their premises could not accommodate the 15-minute post-jab observation period necessitated by adverse reactions in two healthcare workers who had received the Pfizer vaccine.

And GPs have rightly pointed out that the item-of-service fee for the work will leave many providing it at a loss. If the Government can pump billions into a risky, and ultimately failing, Test and Trace system, why can’t it stump up adequate funding for trusted, experienced professionals to deliver a vaccination programme of historic importance? Scrimping on the IoS fee is a false economy, and will inhibit GPs’ ability to provide the best patient care during and after this programme.

Plus, inevitably, we have had problems with vaccine delivery delays, as well as confusion around which wave PCN sites are in.

I don’t envy GPs the months ahead. They will be gruelling, even with the Oxford vaccine approved. (Of course, Pulse will be with you every step of the way, supporting you.)

But the fact we are discussing these problems is miraculous in itself. Positivity can be a bit thin on the ground in general practice, and especially after what has happened over Christmas.

But let us not lose sight of the fact that there being vaccination programme is a huge positive in itself. It may not be enough to remind GPs why they went into medicine or to reverse the drain of GPs from the NHS.  But I hope you do get the chance to step back and appreciate your role in history, and what can happen when science, the NHS and frontline healthcare staff come together."

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:G1lkn-iThtQJ:https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/views/editors-blog/new-hope-for-the-new-year/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Edited January 8, 2021 by Copperface

[Mr.Tease]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

 

Thanks for not doing a national lockdown as soon as was needed Boris! 

[Andy0808 v5]

The issue is a cough is a long term effect of it and doesn’t necessarily mean you’re contagious and spreading it. I tested positive on the 20th December, and I still have shortness of breath resulting in coughing at times. But on the 30th December I was phoned and told as long as I have no fever/temperature to get back to work.

This is obviously resulting in people giving me dirty looks at work and being treated like a lepper.