When will this shit end?

[bamber]

This from March this year. Remember March?

When will this shit end?

 

[Zoo Music Girl]

Whoever was asking about teachers earlier, they're discussing it now. Over-50s teachers in phase one but that's it for now.

[stuartbert two hats]

4 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

 

 

[Gingerfish79]

What are peoples expectations from Peter Pandemics announcement later today? I agree with others that a month long stint in Tier 4 for England would be the right move, get a degree of control back to assist the rollout. 

However, with the vaccine announcement today I expect the minimum possible changes, a couple of Tier 2 areas to Tier 3 and 1 or 2 Tier 3 areas to Tier 4.

[bamber]

I was there, Kelis, 00 T-shirt in Amsterdam, no accident. March 2020. Last gig I saw and heard for a while.

 

[Toilet Duck]

3 hours ago, zahidf said:

And @Toilet Duck. Be interested in his take on the 12 week thing.

Haven’t seen updated data yet, but there was a signal for a longer wait between doses in their lancet paper. My best guess is the pause in the US trial led to many more participants getting dose 2 a lot later than planned and the data has firmed up because of that...but don’t know yet.

[jannybruck]

3 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

What are peoples expectations from Peter Pandemics announcement later today? I agree with others that a month long stint in Tier 4 for England would be the right move, get a degree of control back to assist the rollout. 

However, with the vaccine announcement today I expect the minimum possible changes, a couple of Tier 2 areas to Tier 3 and 1 or 2 Tier 3 areas to Tier 4.

Whatever tier movement happens is completely pointless unless it's accompanied by proper school closures. It's just like rearranging the furniture while your living room's on fire.

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, Homer said:

I understand that the Brexit deal didn't secure frictionless trade. Surely this means more border chaos from 1 Jan? Been looking around and can't find much on this, when it seems to be quite a big/obvious problem (I could be wrong - obviously).

Trade experts were saying issues there were inevitable with or without a deal. Will be interesting to see what's on the shelves next few weeks...

[stuartbert two hats]

3 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

What are peoples expectations from Peter Pandemics announcement later today? I agree with others that a month long stint in Tier 4 for England would be the right move, get a degree of control back to assist the rollout. 

However, with the vaccine announcement today I expect the minimum possible changes, a couple of Tier 2 areas to Tier 3 and 1 or 2 Tier 3 areas to Tier 4.

I'm expecting tiers to remain, with most of the country in >tier 3.

I also expect there to be school closures, but not sure whether they will be part of a "tier 5" or nationwide.

[stuartbert two hats]

4 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

Haven’t seen updated data yet, but there was a signal for a longer wait between doses in their lancet paper. My best guess is the pause in the US trial led to many more participants getting dose 2 a lot later than planned and the data has firmed up because of that...but don’t know yet.

Do you know if new data has been released yet?

[Toilet Duck]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Do you know if new data has been released yet?

Haven’t seen anything yet unfortunately! It will come in due course, but they have been taking the traditional publication route rather than releasing pre-prints with their trial data, so that takes a good bit longer. Normally we’d get detailed data at conferences, but those are all online at the moment!

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I'm expecting tiers to remain, with most of the country in >tier 3.

I also expect there to be school closures, but not sure whether they will be part of a "tier 5" or nationwide.

yeah, do they close schools nationwide seeing as some areas obviously have much higher cases than others?

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

 

[st dan]

Surely school closures would need to be an ‘all or nothing’ approach? Wouldn’t have thought it being an option to close schools in specific badly affected regions would it? 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, st dan said:

Surely school closures would need to be an ‘all or nothing’ approach? Wouldn’t have thought it being an option to close schools in specific badly affected regions would it? 

bit of extra school for the north could be a good way of levelling up.

[dotdash79]

6 minutes ago, st dan said:

Surely school closures would need to be an ‘all or nothing’ approach? Wouldn’t have thought it being an option to close schools in specific badly affected regions would it? 

In effect schools in badly affected areas have been shut repeatedly for the last 3 month. Son in law has been zoom schooled for 6 weeks in the first term. 

[sadimmock]

Most of my colleagues had children at home for big parts of the last term due to year groups being sent home or ad hoc closures. I think it's better to just formalise it and say schools are closed for January. Unless they do that (and delay students returning to halls) then all the pub or shop closures in the world won't make a blind bit of difference. 

Edited December 30, 2020 by sadimmock
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[Matt42]

6 minutes ago, sadimmock said:

Is this an attempt at humour? If not, then... bloody hell. Science is inherently collaborative and international. 

I give up 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, sadimmock said:

Most of my colleagues had children at home for big parts of the last term due to year groups being sent home or ad hoc closures. I think it's better to just formalise it and say schools are closed for January. Unless they do that (and delay students returning to halls) then all the pub or shop closures in the world won't make a blind bit of difference. 

I think they should do that too, only if it’s clear their plan has failed for mass testing in schools. Schools should be the last thing to close and looking at the figures and according to the scientists we are at that point. They need to give people clarity!

[Jcatley]

4 hours ago, Matt42 said:

Is it bad to say that i want to take the AstraZeneca vaccine over the others? I want a BRITISH made vaccine which is made with OUR LAWS by BRITISH universities? 🇬🇧 

The sad thing about this is that there are definitely going to be a few people seriously saying this on twitter today, rather than your tongue in cheek post (which I found quite funny).

[Homer]

I'm still sceptical about these new fangled 'vaccines' (I received a pretty compelling meme in my football team's WhatsApp group the other day).

[Copperface]

4 hours ago, Matt42 said:

Is it bad to say that i want to take the AstraZeneca vaccine over the others? I want a BRITISH made vaccine which is made with OUR LAWS by BRITISH universities? 🇬🇧 

Closer to the truth than some may remember:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/27/no-10-reportedly-wanted-union-flag-on-oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-kits

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Homer said:

I'm still sceptical about these new fangled 'vaccines' (I received a pretty compelling meme in my football team's WhatsApp group the other day).

well....check out the test data, and then weigh up risk of a side effect from vaccine, or catching virus and getting ill.

[steviewevie]

B117

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/30/new-covid-variant-linked-to-higher-viral-load-in-respiratory-samples