When will this shit end?

[Guest]

This might help some people feel a bit better 

Things are slowly starting to matter.

[Crazyfool01]

6 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

 

Thank you - it's really hard seeing others buck because (in my circumstance) it makes me miss them more knowing that I could just give up and go for it. 

I find this counter argument that the media should not be holding the government accountable very very very concerning. 

but they have been trying to hold the opposition accountable instead .... 

[philipsteak]

1 hour ago, Dom Wall said:

Guess the weather, lack of stringent rules, Gov advisors breaking said rules and general nothing to do/ furlough/ boredom kicking in is meaning more people are heading out. I know personally I wouldn't have ventured to Keswick two weeks ago, but it does seem a little safer now, so long as you keep distance, use common sense and don't be daft. Although the mini-golf in Keswick looked a bit busier than I would've liked when we drove past.

Once thing I've definitely noticed is an increase in litter

[DareToDibble]

5 hours ago, philipsteak said:

And when they do, they'll know they can get away with absolutely anything as long as they just ride it out for long enough 

Agreed. The only thing I think would have changed their actions was if there was a GE around the corner. They know they can just continue to brush this under the carpet for another few weeks and come the next GE a couple of catch slogans will win them their votes back. It's soul destroying really as I don't know what it'll take to ever get them out of power.

[MrZigster]

1 hour ago, Matt42 said:

Anyone else feeling a bit lost at the mo?

From what's been posted I'm feeling pretty much the same as yourself, @Ozanne and @WestCountryGirl.

21 minutes ago, WestCountryGirl said:

I know myself and I just wouldn't feel comfortable acting contrary to the guidance, so I really do feel stuck until the government tells me what I can do.

I spent a few weeks going to work worried until they had official government advice that I should be furloughed as at risk. Now I'm sat waiting until they think I can go back. Or until they tell me there is nothing to go back to.

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I'm more paranoid going out shopping now than I was at the start of this, given the amount of covidiots 'round my way. In fact I'm a bit worried that I've become a bit acclimatised towards hermitism. The only people I ever really saw outside of work were down the pubs anyway. Well I guess it's gonna be a long, long time...

If there's not going to be a vaccine for ages part of me feels I may as well just bite the bullet and get on with things, but that sounds like committing self inflicted cannon fodder though.

So a bit lost, confused, paranoid and I'd add angry as well.

(There is a "How are you feeling?" thread on here somewhere ).

[jparx]

33 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

This might help some people feel a bit better 

Things are slowly starting to matter.

And you know what's amazing about that? Labour have done very little throughout this scandal. They're pretty much kept quiet and let them self destruct, and not only have the Tories lost points but Labour have made gains. They've barely lifted a finger and closed the gap by 6 points.

Edited May 27, 2020 by jparx

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, jparx said:

And you know what's amazing about that? Labour have done very little throughout this scandal. They're pretty much kept quiet and let them self destruct, and not only have the Tories lost points but Labour have made gains. They've barely lifted a finger and closed the gap by 6 points.

This is an area where Starmer is much better than Corbyn. Corbyn would’ve work his heart in his sleeve and torn into Cummings which might work for me bit for the other people it can be seen as unhelpful. 

[stuartbert two hats]

7 minutes ago, jparx said:

And you know what's amazing about that? Labour have done very little throughout this scandal. They're pretty much kept quiet and let them self destruct, and not only have the Tories lost points but Labour have made gains. They've barely lifted a finger and closed the gap by 6 points.

Did anyone used to watch Smallville back in the day? The actor who played Lex hardly did anything, just small movements and expressions, but he made every one of them count. He was convincing and compelling.

The actor who played Lana pulled all sorts of expressions and emoted like crazy. She was annoying as hell, people liked her at first, but she really grated on people after a while.

I'm sure there's an analogy in there somewhere.

[jparx]

5 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Did anyone used to watch Smallville back in the day? The actor who played Lex hardly did anything, just small movements and expressions, but he made every one of them count. He was convincing and compelling.

The actor who played Lana pulled all sorts of expressions and emoted like crazy. She was annoying as hell, people liked her at first, but she really grated on people after a while.

I'm sure there's an analogy in there somewhere.

😂

So Keir Starmer is Lex Luthor? Maybe best we keep that analogy to ourselves.

[jparx]

10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

This is an area where Starmer is much better than Corbyn. Corbyn would’ve work his heart in his sleeve and torn into Cummings which might work for me bit for the other people it can be seen as unhelpful. 

Totally. Corbyn would be all guns blazing. I appreciated his passion greatly, his strongest asset, but Starmer is a totally different character and much more precise and calculated, less likely to take bait, and that will instantly give the party a better shot I think. 

[stuartbert two hats]

1 minute ago, jparx said:

😂

So Keir Starmer is Lex Luthor? Maybe best we keep that analogy to ourselves.

Well he's Michael Rosenbaum!

[stuartbert two hats]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint/#/Complaint

 

[zahidf]

Not that its worth much but the newsnight editors and new host is saying that emily isnt being punished.

[zahidf]

 

Not as funny but decent!

[Guest]

Savvy. Reading between the lines he’s calling for Cummings to be sacked so we can move on and focus on the health crises but not out and out saying it. 

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

2 hours ago, Matt42 said:

 

Thank you - it's really hard seeing others buck because (in my circumstance) it makes me miss them more knowing that I could just give up and go for it. 

I find this counter argument that the media should not be holding the government accountable very very very concerning. 

It is, very. Same thing happened on BBC news this morning, the female presenter was interviewing an MP, she turned round and said something along the lines of “Dominic Cummings isn’t going to resign, Boris Johnson isn’t going to sack him, so isn’t it time you just moved on?”

I was actually shocked, is that how it works then? someone does something wrong that people are rightly outraged about, but if the people involved don’t do anything about it then you just forget it?

The MP did say in response that it was the view of his constituents, but I would’ve liked him to have taken it further and asked her if she was telling her viewers to move on. It definitely seems like the BBC have been told to put a lid on it.

Noticed this from Brooker:

 

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by Deaf Nobby Burton

[DeanoL]

3 hours ago, MrZigster said:

I'm more paranoid going out shopping now than I was at the start of this, given the amount of covidiots 'round my way. In fact I'm a bit worried that I've become a bit acclimatised towards hermitism. The only people I ever really saw outside of work were down the pubs anyway. Well I guess it's gonna be a long, long time...

I think there will be a degree of adaptation that might initially be uncomfortable. Inviting those "pub mates" into your home for the first time, socialising without booze (because you don't want to get public transport home) - little things we have to get used to, so we can see people.

I think this is where there's a genuine existential crisis for pubs, should people be allowed to start socialising in small groups before pubs re-open. Those pubs that exist solely to provide such a venue for meeting up (so don't offer entertainment, etc) are going to struggle as "pub" at the very least no longer becomes the default setting for many groups to meet up.

[efcfanwirral]

3 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

I think there will be a degree of adaptation that might initially be uncomfortable. Inviting those "pub mates" into your home for the first time, socialising without booze (because you don't want to get public transport home) - little things we have to get used to, so we can see people.

I think this is where there's a genuine existential crisis for pubs, should people be allowed to start socialising in small groups before pubs re-open. Those pubs that exist solely to provide such a venue for meeting up (so don't offer entertainment, etc) are going to struggle as "pub" at the very least no longer becomes the default setting for many groups to meet up.

That fits into what I was saying earlier about costs - a 4 pack costs the same as a pint in most places so the financial savings will be clear and maybe highlight how expensive it actually is to drink out 

[Neil]

tried to post this yesterday and failed. A bit of Bristol street art.  

[Zoo Music Girl]

6 hours ago, DeanoL said:

I think there will be a degree of adaptation that might initially be uncomfortable. Inviting those "pub mates" into your home for the first time, socialising without booze (because you don't want to get public transport home) - little things we have to get used to, so we can see people.

I think this is where there's a genuine existential crisis for pubs, should people be allowed to start socialising in small groups before pubs re-open. Those pubs that exist solely to provide such a venue for meeting up (so don't offer entertainment, etc) are going to struggle as "pub" at the very least no longer becomes the default setting for many groups to meet up.

People are already socialising in small groups, both at home and in parks, as far as I can tell. While the weather is as good as it is, I can see the parks being way preferable to pubs for most people, particularly with distancing measures.

Spotted a pub near me yesterday doing takeaway pints from a tent outside. Heard of a few places doing that. Was wondering what I think about it to be honest. 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Zoo Music Girl

[Zoo Music Girl]

On another note, the Cummings story has basically runs its course, hasn't it? Track and trace is dominating headlines and the government will just keep saying "move on, it's done". I suppose I always thought that would happen, but it still feels a real kick in the teeth. Only way I can see it getting traction again is if rule flouting by the public  can really be linked to his actions, but that's hard to prove.

[Zoo Music Girl]

6 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

That fits into what I was saying earlier about costs - a 4 pack costs the same as a pint in most places so the financial savings will be clear and maybe highlight how expensive it actually is to drink out 

This is a really good point too that might really hurt pubs. I've saved so much money not going out these past two months. On top of that I'm wary of going on any kind of splurge with the economic forecasts the way they are and my employment prospects far from certain.

[steviewevie]

Morning.

UK suffers highest death rate from coronavirus.

https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0

[Zoo Music Girl]

Sorry for all the posts, just catching up! Something I don't get about this track and trace thing:

What is a close contact?

Only people who have been "close" to an infected person will be contacted by NHS Test and Trace.

Close contacts are:

• people you spend 15 minutes or more with at a distance of less than 2m
• people you have direct contact with - such as sexual partners, household members or people with whom you have had face-to-face conversations at a distance of less than 1m

But we're not supposed be within 2m of anyone outside our household are we? So in theory that should be a very low amount of people. In theory.

Edit: within not working 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Zoo Music Girl

[WestCountryGirl]

1 minute ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Sorry for all the posts, just catching up! Something I don't get about this track and trace thing:

What is a close contact?

Only people who have been "close" to an infected person will be contacted by NHS Test and Trace.

Close contacts are:

• people you spend 15 minutes or more with at a distance of less than 2m
• people you have direct contact with - such as sexual partners, household members or people with whom you have had face-to-face conversations at a distance of less than 1m

But we're not supposed be working 2m of anyone outside our household are we? So in theory that should be a very low amount of people. In theory.

Well, in theory I guess, if you're following tbe rules you really are at a very low risk of getting the virus.

The track and trace system will be most important for the people who are not following the guidelines.

I was thinking about this yesterday and think my chances of being caught up in this system are virtually nil, since I am still isolating at home and only going to the shop once a week. And i'm only there for 5 minutes.