When will this shit end?

[jparx]

3 minutes ago, WestCountryGirl said:

Well, in theory I guess, if you're following tbe rules you really are at a very low risk of getting the virus.

The track and trace system will be most important for the people who are not following the guidelines.

I was thinking about this yesterday and think my chances of being caught up in this system are virtually nil, since I am still isolating at home and only going to the shop once a week. And i'm only there for 5 minutes.

Same here.

Also, say you're on a busy train in close proximity for 15 minutes, without the app surely the tracers have no way of finding out? Or do they check records of who boarded the train and reference with CCTV or somrthing? Maybe a draft question but genuinely no idea 😂

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, WestCountryGirl said:

Well, in theory I guess, if you're following tbe rules you really are at a very low risk of getting the virus.

The track and trace system will be most important for the people who are not following the guidelines.

I was thinking about this yesterday and think my chances of being caught up in this system are virtually nil, since I am still isolating at home and only going to the shop once a week. And i'm only there for 5 minutes.

Yes, this. It has to be those you have been in close contact with, and if you're following guidelines strictly that will only be people you live with. Not everyone willing or able to follow the 2m rule strictly though.

[Zoo Music Girl]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Yes, this. It has to be those you have been in close contact with, and if you're following guidelines strictly that will only be people you live with. Not everyone willing or able to follow the 2m rule strictly though.

Right, but a lot of people aren't following the 2m rule without fully realising it (because humans are just used to standing closer for example) or won't want to admit it. So when asked who they've been that close to are they likely to say anyone? Just seems like this might have quite a limited impact.

Am I right in thinking they brought the launch forward too? Wonder why...

[Ozanne]

2 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Right, but a lot of people aren't following the 2m rule without fully realising it (because humans are just used to standing closer for example) or won't want to admit it. So when asked who they've been that close to are they likely to say anyone? Just seems like this might have quite a limited impact.

Am I right in thinking they brought the launch forward too? Wonder why...

I think the launch was fine yesterday because it the 3 week review of the lockdown today tut the government has to carry out. I’m sure they are happy for the additional news but it’s probably to align with the review. 

[Homer]

41 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

On another note, the Cummings story has basically runs its course, hasn't it? Track and trace is dominating headlines and the government will just keep saying "move on, it's done". I suppose I always thought that would happen, but it still feels a real kick in the teeth. Only way I can see it getting traction again is if rule flouting by the public  can really be linked to his actions, but that's hard to prove.

Depends on the media really. If they still keep asking the question/s - especially at the briefing.

[Crazyfool01]

We don’t have a date for the app yet do we ? That and the 200,000 tests ? Arriving supposedly in a few days 

[Homer]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

tried to post this yesterday and failed. A bit of Bristol street art.  

Where abouts is this please? I’ve got a mate who goes jogging every morning and photographs different Bristol graffiti.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Homer said:

Depends on the media really. If they still keep asking the question/s - especially at the briefing.

Pretty lax yesterday in that respect .. now it will be all about pubs and 1m .... 

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

I think there is a quite a lot that is know about the virus that isn’t shared or publicised, because it would undermine the public health message.

With something like this they have to be constantly ott with everything, you’re probably still at risk at 2m, but in reality that’s probably way OTT. The parameters of the app are probably about right in terms of what they actually know. 

[Sasperella]

4 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Right, but a lot of people aren't following the 2m rule without fully realising it (because humans are just used to standing closer for example) or won't want to admit it. So when asked who they've been that close to are they likely to say anyone? Just seems like this might have quite a limited impact.

Am I right in thinking they brought the launch forward too? Wonder why...

If I'm really honest, I'm sure I've been within two meters of another person in the last few weeks, mostly in shops or walking about. E.g. not sure if the plastic screen in Tesco or the visor my Doctor was wearing will count for owt in the apps calculations! For more than 15 mins though?  Probably not... Potentially my neighbours..?  

It's whether that "direct contact" of less than 1m just comes into play as soon as you get within 1m of anyone, even just in passing, as there's no minimum time limit.

[fatyeti24]

9 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Right, but a lot of people aren't following the 2m rule without fully realising it (because humans are just used to standing closer for example) or won't want to admit it. So when asked who they've been that close to are they likely to say anyone? Just seems like this might have quite a limited impact.

Am I right in thinking they brought the launch forward too? Wonder why...

It's been brought forward from March, when they gave up on it.

[Homer]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Pretty lax yesterday in that respect .. now it will be all about pubs and 1m .... 

BBC are still at it 

[WestCountryGirl]

The mental part is this. If you may have com into contact with the virus, the rest of your household (who will of course have been in contact with you) can then go out and about and carry on their daily lives!

The government has given up on being "strict" with people. They want us out and spending money.

This whole thing is a farce.

[Cream Soda]

7 hours ago, DeanoL said:

I think this is where there's a genuine existential crisis for pubs, should people be allowed to start socialising in small groups before pubs re-open. Those pubs that exist solely to provide such a venue for meeting up (so don't offer entertainment, etc) are going to struggle as "pub" at the very least no longer becomes the default setting for many groups to meet up.

This will only be temporary though (I hope), I mean we will eventually get through this virus one way or the other we just need enough pubs to be clinging on when we get to the other side.  No reason why people won't want to go out again after that.  Maybe many won't survive but we will get an influx of new ones opening in the future?

[Cream Soda]

41 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

But we're not supposed be within 2m of anyone outside our household are we? So in theory that should be a very low amount of people. In theory.

Exactly.  And you would assume you would just tell them yourself without the need for a middle man.  (Unless it was a stranger on the train or something but then you need them to have the app and both of you to have had your phones unlocked for 15 min for it to work 😕

37 minutes ago, WestCountryGirl said:

The track and trace system will be most important for the people who are not following the guidelines.

I agree and it kind of makes the whole thing pointless.  People who don't follow the rules are unlikely to download the app or admit to the close contacts they have had.  Just can't see how this is going to work at all.

[zahidf]

All a joke to them

 

[st dan]

Hancock is a vile human being .. the worst of the lot of them. 

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1215481

I fear we don’t know nearly enough about asymptomatic spread for track and trace to be effective. Given the information in that article something far more effective would simply be mandatory face coverings in public places, shops etc.

Weston General was closed because 40% of a portion of staff dealing with Covid tester positive, all asymptomatic.

The Premier League have been testing staff twice a week and have turned up 12 positive tests, all asymptomatic.

Its clear its mostly asymptomatic, magnified even further amongst under 45s, so I fear track and trace will be pissing in the wind somewhat.

 

[Crazyfool01]

5 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

Exactly.  And you would assume you would just tell them yourself without the need for a middle man.  (Unless it was a stranger on the train or something but then you need them to have the app and both of you to have had your phones unlocked for 15 min for it to work 😕

I agree and it kind of makes the whole thing pointless.  People who don't follow the rules are unlikely to download the app or admit to the close contacts they have had.  Just can't see how this is going to work at all.

This is the point though ... do they actually want it to work or do they want people back out shopping... the think they have kept saying is we don’t want the nhs overwhelmed (they have achieved that by keep care home residents out ) and now we go back to normal with measures being brought forward and it’s now down to us to use our common sense ... responsibly absolved 

[Zoo Music Girl]

20 minutes ago, Sasperella said:

If I'm really honest, I'm sure I've been within two meters of another person in the last few weeks, mostly in shops or walking about. E.g. not sure if the plastic screen in Tesco or the visor my Doctor was wearing will count for owt in the apps calculations! For more than 15 mins though?  Probably not... Potentially my neighbours..?  

It's whether that "direct contact" of less than 1m just comes into play as soon as you get within 1m of anyone, even just in passing, as there's no minimum time limit.

Oh yeah I've definitely been within 2m of people in the shops and park etc (hard to avoid in many cases, especially when they barge past you) but these aren't people I could report to the tracers because I don't know who they are). In terms of being able to give contactable names to tracers I just wonder how many could give any of use if they've not been doing loads of socialising or working close with people. I guess schools will be most relevant.

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Oh yeah I've definitely been within 2m of people in the shops and park etc (hard to avoid in many cases, especially when they barge past you) but these aren't people I could report to the tracers because I don't know who they are). In terms of being able to give contactable names to tracers I just wonder how many could give any of use if they've not been doing loads of socialising or working close with people. I guess schools will be most relevant.

Oh and obviously all the elderly tottering around care homes with smart phones on their smart Zimmer frames 

[Ozanne]

26 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Oh and obviously all the elderly tottering around care homes with smart phones on their smart Zimmer frames 

Patent that idea mate 😆

Edited May 28, 2020 by Ozanne

[Cream Soda]

32 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Oh yeah I've definitely been within 2m of people in the shops and park etc (hard to avoid in many cases, especially when they barge past you) but these aren't people I could report to the tracers because I don't know who they are). 

Isn't it only contact for 15 mins or more or have I got that wrong?  So it wouldn't include people brushing past you etc.

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Patent that idea mate 😆

the Izimmer  

[stuartbert two hats]

Yeah, I plan on reporting my mother in law if she stands a little close to me.