When will this shit end?

[DeanoL]

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

did we? lol

Yes. 

We weren't Japan but on a scale of Community <-> Self interest we were much further towards the community end pre-Thatcherism.

[Losing my hair]

12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, well everyone has some anecdotal evidence...my Mum is 90 and has been very careful, followed the rules as much as poss, and has told family members not to visit.

This is exactly how my 90 year old mother is. 

[steviewevie]

If we didn't have these vaccines then we could legitamilly be discussing alternatives to lockdowns, like sticking all old people on the isle of wight or something, but we do have these vaccines...so surely we all just do this lockdown and hope and pray that the NHS does not get overwhelmed, and that numbers start to come down to a more manageable level so that restrictions can be eased and people can get their old lives back.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Losing my hair said:

This is exactly how my 90 year old mother is. 

woah...you're not my brother are you?

[Tranquility of Solitude]

14 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, well everyone has some anecdotal evidence...my Mum is 90 and has been very careful, followed the rules as much as poss, and has told family members not to visit.

Fair point Steviewevie. I do think Fuzzys initial point is a valid one though. In general terms, the youth are receiving a rough deal regarding coverage of their behaviour when set against the elderly. Now if we could find a way of getting your Mum to give my Mum a serious socially distanced talking to regarding her behaviour......

[zahidf]

Austria have only vaccinated 6000 people... wtf are they doing in Europe?

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Yes. 

We weren't Japan but on a scale of Community <-> Self interest we were much further towards the community end pre-Thatcherism.

There's no such thing as society.

[Fuzzy Afro]

I can’t believe people are comparing the idea of getting life back to a level that’s actually worth living, to the idea of eating a fucking jelly bean.

[xxialac]

47 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

2 million a week isn't actually that many though - but you can't just go from nothing to 2 million a week. There will be days where they don't do as many and days where they do more than the quota that's just how these things work. I suspect the difficulty will be the supply when we get upto speed.

If we have the capacity to deliver 2 million vaccines a week that in itself is a superb effort from all involved. 

Capacity that is not actually delivered is vanity (as with testing capacity).

[Gingerfish79]

Johnson holding another press conference at 5pm today. Return to the daily briefings or further announcements?

[steviewevie]

Just now, Tranquility of Solitude said:

Fair point Steviewevie. I do think Fuzzys initial point is a valid one though. In general terms, the youth are receiving a rough deal regarding coverage of their behaviour when set against the elderly. Now if we could find a way of getting your Mum to give my Mum a serious socially distanced talking to regarding her behaviour......

yeah, I think young people are mostly being careful. I actually think most people are being careful altogether, that's what I see when I'm out and about not being very careful.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Austria have only vaccinated 6000 people... wtf are they doing in Europe?

they have a population of about 7000

[Fuzzy Afro]

Actually I kind of want a pack of jelly beans now. Might grab some from sainsbos during today’s government sanctioned walk. 

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, Gingerfish79 said:

Johnson holding another press conference at 5pm today. Return to the daily briefings or further announcements?

Season 3 has started off with a 2 part double header I see. 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

Johnson holding another press conference at 5pm today. Return to the daily briefings or further announcements?

with Whitty and Vallance doing their Kraftwerk thing.

[Zoo Music Girl]

2 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

Johnson holding another press conference at 5pm today. Return to the daily briefings or further announcements?

They were doing one every Monday and Thursday pretty much before Christmas weren't they? Would assume it's that.

[Zoo Music Girl]

Just now, Zoo Music Girl said:

They were doing one every Monday and Thursday pretty much before Christmas weren't they? Would assume it's that.

Not always Johnson, but Hancock or whoever. Would be amazed if Johnson goes back to doing all of them.

[stuartbert two hats]

1 minute ago, DeanoL said:

Yes. 

We weren't Japan but on a scale of Community <-> Self interest we were much further towards the community end pre-Thatcherism.

Everyone associated Thatcher's time with selfishness, but it's Thatcherism that was individualistic - it was a project to make us less community minded - a process that has been continuing ever since.  So, whilst we think of society during Thatcher's time as being fashioned in her image, we were actually more individualistic afterwards.  IMHO.

When you look at the actual policies she was able to get away with, they're far more left wing than the current government. 

[priest17]

Dyou remember in the first lockdown when we were arguing wether it was okay to go to the off-licence across the road and buy some beer lol

[xxialac]

1 minute ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Not always Johnson, but Hancock or whoever. Would be amazed if Johnson goes back to doing all of them.

Would imagine he'll finally get Stratton to do them.

She's earning £100k, about time she's wheeled out so that Johnson can take the afternoon off.

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

1 minute ago, priest17 said:

Dyou remember in the first lockdown when we were arguing wether it was okay to go to the off-licence across the road and buy some beer lol

I think that was actually me that asked the question, I was told no! 

[Copperface]

1 hour ago, xxialac said:

Yeah and I'm betting they will in fact only do Groups 1-4 by Easter but will 'move the goalposts'.

Source: every single hopelessly missed target of the last 9 months.

They've already moved the goalposts with this questionable, although understandable, decision to lengthen the intervening period between the two doses of both the current vaccines. 

[gigpusher]

4 minutes ago, Tranquility of Solitude said:

Fair point Steviewevie. I do think Fuzzys initial point is a valid one though. In general terms, the youth are receiving a rough deal regarding coverage of their behaviour when set against the elderly. Now if we could find a way of getting your Mum to give my Mum a serious socially distanced talking to regarding her behaviour......

I think people of all age groups are not complying and for many different reasons and I have a huge amount of compassion for some of them but this is now literally the home straight, the vaccines exist we don't have that uncertainty hanging over us any more. We can absolutely avoid the excess death and serious hospitalisations that are happening and will happen if we continue to not comply. It's hard and it's tough I know that but the end is in sight. 

[JoeyT]

Feels strange knowing that when the stats come out this afternoon I'm one of them!

Edited January 5, 2021 by JoeyT

[steviewevie]

Just now, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I think that was actually me that asked the question, I was told no! 

I remember that. I was one of the minority that said go for it, cause I'm such a libertarian arsehole.