2020 headliners

[Superscally]

11 hours ago, incident said:

Have people really forgotten what happened the last time Nick Cave played? I know that his fans absolutely adored the performance, but the field was far from packed and there was loads of complaints on here afterwards about how half the crowd were waiting for Mumfords and actively ignoring the stage.

Yes, I accept that it was 6 years ago and that he's much more popular now than he was then. But surely putting him as Other Stage headliner would make far more sense - aside from anything else it means you'd all get to be in an audience without nearly as many tourists annoying you as they'd all be off watching Taylor Swift.

I'm torn. Would be a better vibe I'd say at the other, but he's actually deserving of the big slot, if quality was the sole barometer. Unfortunately it's not. The Pyramid sub was quiet as Mumford's crowd was small for a headliner and seeing as Mumford is music for people who don't like music, I'm not surprised they weren't there in droves early. They were also up against Smashing Pumpkins on the Other who many people think could have headlined the whole thing at that point. The crowd for Cave at that, or the Cure, or even when he actually subbed Blur, would have been/was very very big.

Can I see him getting the gig? Hmmm. Likely not, unless the new album does hugely well, but due to the awful passing of his son creating a lot of interest at that time, as well as Red Right Hand on Peaky Blinders, his star may have peaked. While I can't see him getting less popular as he rarely releases anything below an 8/10, I just reckon he needs the crossover banger that if we're all honest, can't see coming. If he did play he would blow the neutral away, however.

Edited July 16, 2019 by Superscally

[dentalplan]

10 hours ago, FuzzyDunlop said:

Maybe its just me, but I think Kasabian were quite a bit bigger than Foals are. West Ryder was a pretty big album.

They were filling out Arenas when West Ryder Came out. I don't think Foals are (I could well be wrong on that, I have not got into them enough to be certain).

Up til Velociraptor, I was pretty big on Kasabian & they lost me - so maybe its a bit of bias? I dont know.

Kasabian were definitely filling arenas at West Ryder cos I saw them at Manchester Arena on that tour.

Kasabian were bigger; indie rock in general was bigger. Point I’m making is that they subbed in 2009 and stayed around the same size for a couple of albums and headlined a few years later just by not falling off the map. There was little to argue about with that one - they were just the next British band to do it - and I feel that’s where the general mood is headed on Foals.

[Winslow Leach]

Kasabian were bigger then than Foals currently are though, at least in the sense of having more songs immediately hummable by the Radio 2/Absolute Radio/Radio 1 axis that I always imagine your average Pyramid crowd to comprise of - the songs from West Ryder in particular seemed to be on heavy rotation for ages when that album came out.

[Rose-Colored Boy]

15 minutes ago, Winslow Leach said:

Kasabian were bigger then than Foals currently are though, at least in the sense of having more songs immediately hummable by the Radio 2/Absolute Radio/Radio 1 axis that I always imagine your average Pyramid crowd to comprise of - the songs from West Ryder in particular seemed to be on heavy rotation for ages when that album came out.

Kasabian had also already outright headlined every other major UK fest before Glastonbury gave them their shot, whereas the furthest Foals have got so far is Latitude and co-headlining at Reading.

Edited July 16, 2019 by Rose-Colored Boy

[dentalplan]

First three words of my post, dummies!

[Matt87]

1 hour ago, Superscally said:

I'm torn. Would be a better vibe I'd say at the other, but he's actually deserving of the big slot, if quality was the sole barometer. Unfortunately it's not. The Pyramid sub was quiet as Mumford's crowd was small for a headliner and seeing as Mumford is music for people who don't like music, I'm not surprised they weren't there in droves early. They were also up against Smashing Pumpkins on the Other who many people think could have headlined the whole thing at that point. The crowd for Cave at that, or the Cure, or even when he actually subbed Blur, would have been/was very very big.

Could have headlined on the Pyramid in 2013? 

Sure, with hindsight Mumfords were very fortunate to have had the chance to headline, but at the time they were one of the biggest bands in the country. Pumpkins peaked in the 90s.

[maelzoid]

The only time the Pumpkins could ever have been in contention to headline the pyramid would have been 96 (no fest that year) or 97. Any other year, not even close. Their billing in 2013 was wholly appropriate.

[Superscally]

13 minutes ago, Matt87 said:

Could have headlined on the Pyramid in 2013? 

Sure, with hindsight Mumfords were very fortunate to have had the chance to headline, but at the time they were one of the biggest bands in the country. Pumpkins peaked in the 90s.

 

1 minute ago, maelzoid said:

The only time the Pumpkins could ever have been in contention to headline the pyramid would have been 96 (no fest that year) or 97. Any other year, not even close. Their billing in 2013 was wholly appropriate.

You say that, but that wasn't the chat at the time. I'm not saying Mumford were inappropriate either even though they're f**ing shit or that SP should have replaced them, but SP were seen as a huge Other headliner that year and the chat about clashes heavily featured them. Their crowd was also massive - one of the biggest I've ever seen at the Other.

[eFestivals]

4 hours ago, Rose-Colored Boy said:

gammon

can we stop the use of gammon, please? It's a divisive word and wouldn't be acceptable if applied to a different demographic.  

[Zoo Music Girl]

4 minutes ago, Superscally said:

 

You say that, but that wasn't the chat at the time. I'm not saying Mumford were inappropriate either even though they're f**ing shit or that SP should have replaced them, but SP were seen as a huge Other headliner that year and the chat about clashes heavily featured them. Their crowd was also massive - one of the biggest I've ever seen at the Other.

They didn't headline though, they subbed it. The xx headlined, which was the source of much consternation here (that and the Cave clash, which was heinous).

I thought they deserved to headline Other too, but I don't remember the crowd being that huge. I ran over after Cave and found my mate quite easily. That said, I very rarely go to Other so don't have many points of comparison.

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

I'm really surprised there's so much conjecture going on about who should headline or who deserves to headline, Stormzy did it this year off the back of one album and some YouTube videos. Had he ever headlined another festival? I can't find any evidence to suggest he has, but any of Foals, Nick Cave, or the 1975 would get a decent crowd. Also, what's the big problem with their being less than a maxed out crowd at the Pyramid? There's so much to do and see across the festival, it doesn't really matter, does it?

[maelzoid]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

can we stop the use of gammon, please? It's a divisive word and wouldn't be acceptable if applied to a different demographic.  

I couldn't agree more.

It is no better than language of the alt-right (snowflake, cuck etc.) whom it targets. We should have better arguments, not more name-calling.

[Superscally]

7 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

I couldn't agree more.

It is no better than language of the alt-right (snowflake, cuck etc.) whom it targets. We should have better arguments, not more name-calling.

I also like gammon

[Superscally]

9 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

They didn't headline though, they subbed it. The xx headlined, which was the source of much consternation here (that and the Cave clash, which was heinous).

I thought they deserved to headline Other too, but I don't remember the crowd being that huge. I ran over after Cave and found my mate quite easily. That said, I very rarely go to Other so don't have many points of comparison.

I came in from JP side and had to be pretty much back at the railway line before there was any space... 

[Hugh Jass]

5 minutes ago, Superscally said:

I also like gammon

It’s a bit salty for me... much like Roger Daltrey.

[Superscally]

1 minute ago, Hugh Jass said:

It’s a bit salty for me... much like Roger Daltrey.

It's forever ruined.

[thewayiam]

5 hours ago, mcshed said:

What on earth does this mean? You get a hard time on here sometimes but too often your posts are completely unintelligible. Do you re-read your posts before you publish them?

Getting a hard time I don't care about but it's not hard to differentiate between playing and a gig at Wembley Arena which is by the way the middle ground between Brixton and The 02....that's quite simple stuff, and playing a gig at Hyde Park to 60k people which AF did. To even try and suggest the Foals and the likes of those in that level bracket are AF size is crazy.

[Claire96]

No idea if it's been mentioned yet or not, but Aerosmith's 40th anniversary is in 2020. Would be interesting as a legends slot act, but I can't imagine they'd accept anything but headliner?

[dentalplan]

6 hours ago, FloorFiller said:

the age old ‘does my mum know them?’

This will be fun if Dave ever becomes a headline contender.

[ghostdancer1]

23 hours ago, Rose-Colored Boy said:

No

They’re indie in the sense they’re critically acclaimed and have their fans, but their crossover appeal is limited, exactly like Foals even if that’s where the similarities between them end . The 1975 used to be like that until they marketed the hell out of themselves so it’s possible to throw off those shackles, tho haven’t seen any evidence of The XX wanting to do so

Last album sold about a fifth of what their previous two did, IIRC, which is a big drop off even accounting for the dip in album sales across the whole industry during that four year gap 

 

yeah, unlike The 1975 who...er...

[maelzoid]

Yeah, but nobody buys records anymore...

[ghostdancer1]

14 hours ago, lighthouse said:

I think Nick Cave is in this position where he's too big to headline the Other of sub the Pyramid, but may seem to small/unknown to be one of the big 3.

He'd knock it out of the park though. Maybe he will do it in another album's time. Cave's popularity has grown exponentially in the past years. A lot of people seem to realise how good he is.

Nick Cave is most certainly not too big to headline the Other. I mean, New Order couldn't even half-fill that field, and Nick Cave isn't twice as big as them....

not exactly rammo at the PYramid in 2013 either, was it

 

Edited July 16, 2019 by ghostdancer1

[MEGABOWL]

Nick Cave is brilliant but he’s nowhere near Pyramid headlining. Other Stage would be a fantastic slot for him.

[Matt87]

56 minutes ago, Superscally said:

I came in from JP side and had to be pretty much back at the railway line before there was any space... 

I was there; it was pretty busy. 

That being said, a few days after playing Glasto they played the O2 Academy in Glasgow. The last time they toured the UK they played the Academies, but have also played Wembley Arena. I think at Glasto a lot of people watched them out of curiosity, who wouldn't be likely to buy a ticket for their own show.    

[mcshed]

6 hours ago, thewayiam said:

Arcade Fire did Hyde Park twice, are people bloody mad?!, we care talking about the staple London gig....not go between of Brixton and The 02!

 

34 minutes ago, thewayiam said:

Getting a hard time I don't care about but it's not hard to differentiate between playing and a gig at Wembley Arena which is by the way the middle ground between Brixton and The 02....that's quite simple stuff, and playing a gig at Hyde Park to 60k people which AF did. To even try and suggest the Foals and the likes of those in that level bracket are AF size is crazy.

Ok I'm not disagreeing with you. I just didn't and still don't understand the phrase "we care talking about the staple London gig"