SwedgeAntilles Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, CaledonianGonzo said: Big fan of C-Nizzle and the lads. Christine and the Schemes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 19 hours ago, Cooter said: Agree, but sadly I think it's ME (the fighter) that's thinking of throwing the towel in after so many successful years and then passing on the fight to EE who can't be bothered to fight for everything the festival stands for, let alone the festival itself. That's just not true. Michael has always fought each year as it comes, as hard as he can. But Glastonbury as a company is so big now that that doesn't quite work. Here's the though that should be scary enough to keep you up at night: Glastonbury doesn't have a huge operating surplus because it donates the vast majority of its profit to charity. It doesn't have a "war chest" so to speak. Which means: Glastonbury can't cope with an unplanned fallow year. One thing goes wrong: landowner withdraws, council take away the license, etc. It doesn't mean "no Glasto that year". It means all the staff are going home, getting other jobs and there's no Glasto ever again. With something like this, it secures the future of Glastonbury as an entity. It puts them into a position to be able to say, "okay, we can't feasibly run the festival next year, so we won't". It means that yes, maybe they won't fight quite so hard for every year. Maybe we will miss a few more shows at Worthy than we might have otherwise. But it also gives me confidence the festival will be around in 10-20 years' time and Worthy will always be an option for it. Just not a necessity like it is right now. I mean, was no one else there last year? Seriously, the site was one more serious downpour away from being genuinely hazardous. Hell, if the flooding had continued on Mon/Tue prior, then they may not have been able to finish the build. It could have been cancelled for safety reasons. And of any serious/fatal injury had happened because of conditions last year... They cut it fine but they got away with it. They got lucky again. Look at the festival history, and the number of times it's nearly gone away. It was saved by the fence, it was saved by the MF deal, it was saved by a new booking policy after it didn't sell out in 2009... A combination of luck and some smart but hell brained schemes kept it alive. But I'm not going to assume it'll always weather every problem. 6 hours ago, Charm said: Probably not, I don't think most people care as much as us, think that's the reason why we've all ended up here. Charm x Hell, I've been about here in one way or another for 14 years and I don't think I care as much as most posters here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomicide Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, russycarps said: can anyone local confirm a person called Christine Nicholson actually exists?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Fake News! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charm Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, Vanderlyle said: I'd suggest you never go for a wider wander around the internet... I think you're right, this is my only home on the internet, don't use Facebook or anything like it and only set up a twitter account to follow The Thingy, most people on here seem so lovely that down votes on seemingly innocent posts always surprise me and make me feel a bit sad, suppose I'm very naive. Charm x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcoolio Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said: Fake News! It's completely irrational, I know, but somehow that selfie made the whole thing seem less believable to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomicide Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 24 minutes ago, Charm said: .... and only set up a twitter account to follow The Thingy..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyhana22 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, fatyeti24 said: I'm Christine Nicholson and so is my wife. No, I know your (nearly) wife and Christine Nicholson she ain't! Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woffy Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said: Well someone called Christine Nicholson won an award for her flowers in 2013 http://www.piltonflowershow.org.uk/2013/2013schedule.html Jesus! I wonder what the kids who won spent all their prize money on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkSoda Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 It's looking good to me . New areas being built and the potential of having another place to go during fallow year all sounds good. Plus the festival business becomes more stable and stronger on negotiation with other land owners. I'm all for another festival by the same team. The talent is ridiculous how they can create such a special place, a different world really where you go and forget about troubles and pace of the real world. You look around and everyone is smiling their heads off. I could happily spend hours at the park just sitting on the hill people watching and its worth every penny. I personally think that if it's the same team they can create a place anywhere they are the talent. Yes there's defiently nostalgia and the way the current site is set out makes it all the more brilliant but I believe the team will be able to create something on the same level. After all they are the talent behind it, if festival republic came to the same site they'd turn it into a commercial replica of any other site. Terrible name tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russycarps Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, DeanoL said: That's just not true. Michael has always fought each year as it comes, as hard as he can. But Glastonbury as a company is so big now that that doesn't quite work. Here's the though that should be scary enough to keep you up at night: Glastonbury doesn't have a huge operating surplus because it donates the vast majority of its profit to charity. It doesn't have a "war chest" so to speak. Which means: Glastonbury can't cope with an unplanned fallow year. One thing goes wrong: landowner withdraws, council take away the license, etc. It doesn't mean "no Glasto that year". It means all the staff are going home, getting other jobs and there's no Glasto ever again. With something like this, it secures the future of Glastonbury as an entity. It puts them into a position to be able to say, "okay, we can't feasibly run the festival next year, so we won't". It means that yes, maybe they won't fight quite so hard for every year. Maybe we will miss a few more shows at Worthy than we might have otherwise. But it also gives me confidence the festival will be around in 10-20 years' time and Worthy will always be an option for it. Just not a necessity like it is right now. I mean, was no one else there last year? Seriously, the site was one more serious downpour away from being genuinely hazardous. Hell, if the flooding had continued on Mon/Tue prior, then they may not have been able to finish the build. It could have been cancelled for safety reasons. And of any serious/fatal injury had happened because of conditions last year... They cut it fine but they got away with it. They got lucky again. Look at the festival history, and the number of times it's nearly gone away. It was saved by the fence, it was saved by the MF deal, it was saved by a new booking policy after it didn't sell out in 2009... A combination of luck and some smart but hell brained schemes kept it alive. But I'm not going to assume it'll always weather every problem. This is not quite true. The limited company behind the festival has total equity of just over £6.4m (as at Dec 15). In the accounts they (the eavis family) state they think this is a sufficient float. You're right that this could be hugely higher, but the finances aren't as tight as you state. Edited January 19, 2017 by russycarps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandycoke Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 On 1/17/2017 at 8:43 PM, Gnomicide said: Loving your work Gnomicide..needs a bit of perspective though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guypjfreak Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 11 hours ago, strummer77 said: They don't have the agreements actually in place and you have to do licence applications etc. Sounds like she very much will keep it where it is, but by saying 'we will' or 'I can confirm' she would also be losing any negotiating position with farmers. Even if everything was 100% rosey, you don't give away your negotiating position! Good point old son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 4 hours ago, russycarps said: This is not quite true. The limited company behind the festival has total equity of just over £6.4m (as at Dec 15). In the accounts they (the eavis family) state they think this is a sufficient float. You're right that this could be hugely higher, but the finances aren't as tight as you state. That's tight. 100 permanent staff. Let's say they earn an average of 30k, that's 38k with pension contributions and NI, so that's £3.8m in your fallow year gone on staff alone. Enough to easily weather one fallow, sure, but two would be tricky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 7 hours ago, DeanoL said: That's tight. 100 permanent staff. Let's say they earn an average of 30k, that's 38k with pension contributions and NI, so that's £3.8m in your fallow year gone on staff alone. Enough to easily weather one fallow, sure, but two would be tricky. As far as I'm aware, Glasto have built themselves a 'war chest' of around £5M, after the scare they got when tickets sold slowly in 2007(?). And I'm pretty sure the permanent staff is more like 20 than 100. Anyway .... the first email I've read this morning is from a well known mid-sized festival organiser, who mailed to suggest Eastnor Park as the possible location. He might be right (as far as I can tell, it's a guess and not knowledge), tho if he is it would be an event of only 30-40,0000 as I'm pretty sure there's issues about how much of the land can be used by a festival (to keep the deer happy). I'm not sure about others, but I'm thinking this new event is likely to be a bigger affair than that, because I'd thought one of the criteria for a new site is that it would be able to take a festival of around GF's size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael eavis' beard Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 55 minutes ago, eFestivals said: As far as I'm aware, Glasto have built themselves a 'war chest' of around £5M, after the scare they got when tickets sold slowly in 2007(?). And I'm pretty sure the permanent staff is more like 20 than 100. Anyway .... the first email I've read this morning is from a well known mid-sized festival organiser, who mailed to suggest Eastnor Park as the possible location. He might be right (as far as I can tell, it's a guess and not knowledge), tho if he is it would be an event of only 30-40,0000 as I'm pretty sure there's issues about how much of the land can be used by a festival (to keep the deer happy). I'm not sure about others, but I'm thinking this new event is likely to be a bigger affair than that, because I'd thought one of the criteria for a new site is that it would be able to take a festival of around GF's size. It was 2008. But surely a festival the size of Glastonbury somewhere else is going to be a real struggle? Isn't it about double the capacity of the likes of Reading etc when you include everybody? Yes, I agree they would like something bigger than 30-40k but I'd have thought finding somewhere else with the infrastructure to accommodate 200k people would be a struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Yeah - they can't just do a lift and shift. T in the Park tried it and it killed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernintendo Chalmers Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 14 hours ago, DeanoL said: That's just not true. Michael has always fought each year as it comes, as hard as he can. But Glastonbury as a company is so big now that that doesn't quite work. Here's the though that should be scary enough to keep you up at night: Glastonbury doesn't have a huge operating surplus because it donates the vast majority of its profit to charity. It doesn't have a "war chest" so to speak. Which means: Glastonbury can't cope with an unplanned fallow year. One thing goes wrong: landowner withdraws, council take away the license, etc. It doesn't mean "no Glasto that year". It means all the staff are going home, getting other jobs and there's no Glasto ever again. With something like this, it secures the future of Glastonbury as an entity. It puts them into a position to be able to say, "okay, we can't feasibly run the festival next year, so we won't". It means that yes, maybe they won't fight quite so hard for every year. Maybe we will miss a few more shows at Worthy than we might have otherwise. But it also gives me confidence the festival will be around in 10-20 years' time and Worthy will always be an option for it. Just not a necessity like it is right now. I mean, was no one else there last year? Seriously, the site was one more serious downpour away from being genuinely hazardous. Hell, if the flooding had continued on Mon/Tue prior, then they may not have been able to finish the build. It could have been cancelled for safety reasons. And of any serious/fatal injury had happened because of conditions last year... They cut it fine but they got away with it. They got lucky again. Look at the festival history, and the number of times it's nearly gone away. It was saved by the fence, it was saved by the MF deal, it was saved by a new booking policy after it didn't sell out in 2009... A combination of luck and some smart but hell brained schemes kept it alive. But I'm not going to assume it'll always weather every problem. Some really good points in here, particularly the last couple of paragraphs. Got to admire their resiliency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungo57 Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, michael eavis' beard said: It was 2008. But surely a festival the size of Glastonbury somewhere else is going to be a real struggle? Isn't it about double the capacity of the likes of Reading etc when you include everybody? Yes, I agree they would like something bigger than 30-40k but I'd have thought finding somewhere else with the infrastructure to accommodate 200k people would be a struggle. We can hold the festival on Hampton Common and Bushy Park near where I live. Shuttle buses between venues and you can all kip in my living room. There's a common hallway outside for any overflow. Should easily be able to fit in 200k with stacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalon_Fields Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 For several strong reasons I'm convinced VB will be significantly smaller than Glastonbury, mainly from a financial side, way too big a risk to start a new festival of similar size, complexity and cost. I can see there being around the same non- music areas but much reduced number of stages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Folk who've mentioned Boom Town as a precedent are probably thinking in the right direction. Reckon it'll involve the Mutoids, the Shangri La folk, Arcadia and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostdancer1 Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 I'd say there's absolutely no chance they'll try for something as big as Glastonbury, and almost no chance they'll go for smething even as big as R&L. 30-40k is manageable, and for a new festival on a (probably) brand new site is risky enough already. agree with the above posters, can see it being far more geared towards the "visual entertainment" type stuff than music. some might say that there needs to be scalability to eventually relocate Glastonbury, but there's little evidence that this is the plan, and everything for the next few years just points to them wanting somewhere for 2019 to put on another event before going back to Worthy Farm in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russycarps Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Unless it's a bring your own booze festival - which it cant possibly be - then it'll be just another festival. I wonder how many people would pack up going to glastonbury if they couldnt drink their own booze freely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 18 minutes ago, russycarps said: Unless it's a bring your own booze festival - which it cant possibly be - then it'll be just another festival. I wonder how many people would pack up going to glastonbury if they couldnt drink their own booze freely? Lots I'd say. Imagine a load of Heineken cattle bars all around the place and security confiscating your non bar bought booze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russycarps Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 1 minute ago, The Nal said: Lots I'd say. Imagine a load of Heineken cattle bars all around the place and security confiscating your non bar bought booze. Yep. I'd be one of them. It's a massive (and unfair) advantage that glastonbury has over all over festivals. I cant quite remember how they get away with it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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