Headliners 2023

[BenG92]

Do I even wanna know what happened here over the weekend? 

[The Nal]

35 minutes ago, BenG92 said:

Do I even wanna know what happened here over the weekend? 

Seems the sites SSL cert has expired anyway

[BenG92]

9 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Seems the sites SSL cert has expired anyway

A sign of the apocalypse? 

Do wonder how many folks are stuck behind Chrome's warning screen not wanting to click through

[JoeyT]

1 minute ago, BenG92 said:

A sign of the apocalypse? 

Do wonder how many folks are stuck behind Chrome's warning screen not wanting to click through

Can’t get on at all using my work PC.

 

[Suprefan]

8 minutes ago, BenG92 said:

A sign of the apocalypse? 

Do wonder how many folks are stuck behind Chrome's warning screen not wanting to click through

Got the warning on wifi but not on 5g.

[Festival Liam]

22 hours ago, Matt42 said:

I am not convinced that Swift was the only female headliner who was up for it. I also think they will have turned acts away on the basis that they thought Swift was doing it.

Hence my view that in future don’t build your lineup around an act that could just not follow through. 

Thank God Matt42 is on hand to provide such in depth analytical advice for Glastonbury Festival.

[edit] I posted this before this thread turned into a transphobic bin-fire, not in any way related to Matt's correct calling out of Neil's transphobic bs.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Festival Liam

[balti-pie]

18 hours ago, Tranquility of Solitude said:

So how are we all feeling about Arctic Monkeys, GnR and Elton? I’m very happy with Elton and will definitely be there, will give GnR a go, clashes permitting, could be fun, and won’t be at Arctic Monkeys.

This is exactly me. If hot chip is friday at woodsies (man, itll take a long time for me not to say the JP) then i'm there, i reckon 👍

 

cor, imagine actually talking about the subject of the thread! revolutionary 

[kalifire]

Way I see it, it was always Taylor until she said no. She’s going to get first refusal every year until she headlines, unless she makes it clear she’s not available.

Whether and when her tour “changed”, we don’t know. But at some point they realised she wasn’t doing it and went with the best available act, which was GnR. Emily previously mentioned she’d love them to headline, but they’d be nowhere near the farm this year if Taylor could do it. 

[gfa]

3 hours ago, Alex DeLarge said:

Unfortunately this is the final straw for me with this forum. If I wanted to experience just open transphobia I can get that from the Daily Mail comments section. Thanks for the people who have made this place a special place to be over the last seven years in particular @Tranquility of Solitude for offering your help last year. 

I work with teenagers in my day job and a few of them are trans. They're already facing and coming to terms with the fact that a large part of our media portrays them as nothing more than duplicitous potential sex offenders, as men in wigs who are just lying to access vulnerable women. That people can openly spew hatred about them for just existing. How a 16 year old was murdered for being who she was. 

Neil has been ill and I appreciate that's difficult, but making that comment and the people close to him either explicitly supporting him and laughing at those who take issue with bigotry or who don't feel they can challenge him on this make me feel there's never going to be an intervention in any meaningful way. 

I hope you all have a good week at work and thank you for all the music you've shown me, the laughs you've given and the kindness that made this place special. I'll never forget how helpful you all were when I was worried about my first Glastonbury, it's a shame what this place has become. 

out of upvotes but sorry to see you go

[Guest]

43 minutes ago, kalifire said:

Way I see it, it was always Taylor until she said no. She’s going to get first refusal every year until she headlines, unless she makes it clear she’s not available.

Whether and when her tour “changed”, we don’t know. But at some point they realised she wasn’t doing it and went with the best available act, which was GnR. Emily previously mentioned she’d love them to headline, but they’d be nowhere near the farm this year if Taylor could do it. 

It's similar to when Prince pulled out at a late stage.

 

[Skip997]

21 hours ago, Matt42 said:

Even if I tried to explain to you it would go over your head, but it’s fine I saw this coming anyway.

It’s a huge shame Neil that you continue to piss on something that used to be great by saying completely careless things.

 

Message to any efest users here:
If anyone continues to be disappointed by what they read by Neil and would like a much nicer platform to discuss festival news. Feel free to DM me.

So what's this "nicer platform"?

Don't seem to be able to DM you. Maybe you've got me on ignore?

[pryce]

5 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

So what's this "nicer platform"?

Don't seem to be able to DM you. Maybe you've got me on ignore?

his Dms have been blocked since that message unfortunately 

[Skip997]

19 hours ago, Neil said:

sorry if facts are offending you so much, in which case you need to go here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

 

 

A Daily Mail link?

FFS - hope you don't read that bigoted shite

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, kalifire said:

Way I see it, it was always Taylor until she said no. She’s going to get first refusal every year until she headlines, unless she makes it clear she’s not available.

Whether and when her tour “changed”, we don’t know. But at some point they realised she wasn’t doing it and went with the best available act, which was GnR. Emily previously mentioned she’d love them to headline, but they’d be nowhere near the farm this year if Taylor could do it. 

Yep and they'd probably be on next year - it all balances out in the end.

[gfa]

51 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

A Daily Mail link?

FFS - hope you don't read that bigoted shite

its all starting to make sense eh

[BenG92]

Just to play devil's advocate, it seemed pretty clear to me that Neil was making a joke about "if you don't like facts you should read the Daily Mail"

But I completely missed this weekend and I'm not sure I want to know what "facts" he's talking about 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

So what's this "nicer platform"?

Don't seem to be able to DM you. Maybe you've got me on ignore?

It's not that nice. I've taken a quick look and they're slagging off some Efestival members. 
Not for me.

[The Nal]

3 minutes ago, BenG92 said:

Just to play devil's advocate

[kalifire]

9 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

It's not that nice. I've taken a quick look and they're slagging off some Efestival members. 
Not for me.

I believe they have a kind of ‘c**t’s corner’ for that kind of time wasting. From what I’ve heard it’s largely decent. It can’t compare that badly these days. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by kalifire

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, kalifire said:

I believe they have a kind of ‘c**t’s corner’ for that kind of time wasting. From what I’ve heard it’s largely decent. It can’t compare that badly these days. 

It looked to be in a general discussions thread.

[kalifire]

3 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

It looked to be in a general discussions thread.

Fair enough. I haven’t visited. Have you seen the general discussion forums here, though? 😬

[Neil]

19 minutes ago, BenG92 said:

Just to play devil's advocate, it seemed pretty clear to me that Neil was making a joke about "if you don't like facts you should read the Daily Mail"

yeah, it was that. 🙂 

[MEGABOWL]

20 hours ago, Tranquility of Solitude said:

Lizzo fits into the “I’d like to see her, clashes permitting” category for me.

Lizzo will be great. Her followed by GNR is a brilliant Saturday night. GFL punching above it’s weight again.

[clasher]

I'm afraid not even the Simpsons can save this one.

Edited March 6, 2023 by clasher

[DeanoL]

On 3/4/2023 at 1:37 PM, Ozanne said:

I’m sure they do have diversity on their agenda but I just found it a bit odd that the organiser who can do something about it passes the responsibility onto the industry when there are female acts that could easily do it. 

Are there though? Have you enquired about their availability on that date? There's just one act that could definitely do it, and that's Lizzo. We know she can do it because she's playing, literally on that day. We don't know what happened there, but it's not impossible they had that conversation when Swift dropped out, she wasn't able to commit to the date at that point, GnR were, so GnR got it. Later she gets in touch saying that actually it does fit her summer schedule and can do it. But at that point the headliner slot has gone to someone else. It's the way it goes sometimes. GnR maybe had another offer for a festival that weekend and needed a yes or no immediately.

As for any other female act that could do it, it's more difficult. Availability is much more complex than people think. It's not just the act, it's their band, crew, dancers... all of whom have to be available. There's probably an average of around 6 people per artist that a show absolutely can't be done without - the artist, the core band, the road manager and maybe one or two others. For some it will be more, solo acts it will be fewer. But have you ever tried to arrange an evening with 5 friends once you're out of your 20s? Imagine I picked a random single day within in the next six months. What are the chances of you and all five of your friends all being available on that date?

The reality is that at that headliner level, the tours are planned when they are planned and don't have much room for changes. That's especially the case with newer acts, where the whole touring life-cycle is carefully managed and scheduled to fit with all the publicity and marketing... it's all joined up and choreographed very carefully.

Essentially you need two things to be true: 1) the act doing a tour or other activity in that country/continent on the date you want them to play and 2) the act booking and scheduling that tour at the point you want to book them.

Now 2 you can workaround a bit. If you know you want a certain act, and you're told "yeah, we'll be booking in a European tour for the summer in January" you can wait until January and sort it out then. But then you're out of luck if your "backup" act was scheduling their summer European tour in November. You can't go back in time and book them. (You could book them for a secret slot in the November, thus ensuring their availability, and then go back and see if they want a bigger slot later, but I'm assured by other posters here that that has never once happened).