When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

Forget about Sweden, it's all about Denmark. And Norway.

[MEGABOWL]

3 hours ago, FestivalJamie said:

There's an article on BBC which takes a sample of 2000 13-24 year old's and asks them if they were sticking to lockdown restrictions. Half of the men aged 19-24 had broken the lockdown, and 25% of women also admitted to breaking the lockdown. Won't ever know if these are fudged statistics though. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52587368

Certainly, yesterday, a large proportion of the nation broke lockdown. Singing, dancing, drinking, partying in the roads with no social distancing whatsoever. Public singing (e.g. in churches) is banned in Germany as it's thought this can spread the virus faster.

Perhaps a better choice of words should have been "I don't think the restrictions should be lifted anytime soon".

I look at other countries' approach to this outbreak and then I look at ours (the UK) and I am just beyond disappointed with the diabolical approach from not only the government, but also the attitude of everyone in the country as well. It's just like people don't care that thousands of vulnerable people have died from this nasty virus and no one seems bothered to protect them.Where I live there's been a hairdresser going round to people's houses to cut their hair without any PPE etc, and it's actually completely devastating as she picked up the virus from one of these clients she was illegally cutting their hair and this resulted in passing the virus on to her husband who actually died from it. Yes, in some it's a mild case but for others it is lethal.

I am actually jealous of all these other European countries starting to reopen their economy again, but this is due to their own sensible actions in the first place. Unfortunately, the UK is nowhere near ready to start letting things reopen again, and the exit plan is going to have to be extremely cautious to prevent a large second peak.

I wouldn't say so. The R rate going up in care homes is particularly concerning and means we need to be more careful in the wider public, as an increase in the R0 in the wider public could filtrate into the care homes which could boost the R0 in care homes even more. 

This is where Social Media is misrepresenting reality. The Police and the Government have been plain that Compliance with the Lockdown has been very good and higher than expected. Most people will have an anecdote of someone not behaving but there’s 66 million people in the UK and the vast majority are playing along. Don’t fall for that narrative.

[efcfanwirral]

2 hours ago, grumpyhack said:

Bozza's announcement tomorrow night is probably going to have the largest TV viewing figures of the year.

And then the biggest negative social media response to him not actually relaxing anything? Along with a big improvement in his approval rating because he's so much like Churchill..the usual contradictions

Edited May 9, 2020 by efcfanwirral

[Crazyfool01]

29 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

This is where Social Media is misrepresenting reality. The Police and the Government have been plain that Compliance with the Lockdown has been very good and higher than expected. Most people will have an anecdote of someone not behaving but there’s 66 million people in the UK and the vast majority are playing along. Don’t fall for that narrative.

I think we all look for examples of where it’s breaking down faster than we do areas where it’s holding ... today I walked over a very quiet m5 motorway but my abiding memory from my walk was someone doing backstreet hair cutting ... I also walked past many people that were observing the rules ... human nature is to look at the worst examples I’m afraid ... and I’m sure media and the like have been doing some kind of job for the government .. maybe indirectly 

[morph100]

1 hour ago, grumpyhack said:

Bozza's announcement tomorrow night is probably going to have the largest TV viewing figures of the year.

I dunno we’ve had the spoiler from Wales

[efcfanwirral]

8 minutes ago, morph100 said:

I dunno we’ve had the spoiler from Wales

Plenty will be expecting different for England. Hopefully they will be disappointed 

[FestivalJamie]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

Plenty will be expecting different for England. Hopefully they will be disappointed 

I’m very confused, most people seem to be expecting all the restrictions to be lifted and to go back to normal.

In reality, from what I’ve read, it’s just going to be an extension of the current restrictions for 3 more weeks, but with garden centres opening, and then more things will start to open up from beginning of June.

[jparx]

4 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Plenty will be expecting different for England. Hopefully they will be disappointed 

Heard from quite a few people that they're hoping x, y and z will be opened...some people (usually very rational people) have very high expectations. I expect a lot of disappointed people...

Edited May 9, 2020 by jparx

[efcfanwirral]

2 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

I’m very confused, most people seem to be expecting all the restrictions to be lifted and to go back to normal.

In reality, from what I’ve read, it’s just going to be an extension of the current restrictions for 3 more weeks, but with garden centres opening, and then more things will start to open up from beginning of June.

 

2 minutes ago, jparx said:

Heard from quite a few people that they're hoping x, y and z will be opened...some people (usually very rational people) have very high expectations. I expect a lot of disappointed people...

Horrible as it is but I think if they did a referendum now on herd immunity and accepting the deaths vs carrying on lockdown most would choose the herd immunity approach. This being the non social media dwellers who actually make up the majority of the country. The same people who lead to brexit and overwhelming Tory majorities...

So many just don't seem phased AT ALL by the deaths so far 

[FestivalJamie]

5 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

So many just don't seem phased AT ALL by the deaths so far 

I think unfortunately people won’t seem to realise the severity until they themselves get critically ill or have a friend or family member who gets critically ill or dies.

I know 2 people who have died now from this and another hospitalised so i really know how important it is that we try and keep this virus to minimal transmission possible. 

I also know loads of others who have had it relatively mild/moderate, so i think it is far more widespread than a lot of people also think. I would be interested to get an antibody test to see if I have antibodies given there is someone in my household who had the virus.

Also, lots of people are expecting things like pubs to reopen next month. It’s never going to happen, and even if it did, it would be with strict social distancing measures and no interactions between groups. We aren’t going to be able to “socialise” like we used to until next year.

Edited May 9, 2020 by FestivalJamie

[efcfanwirral]

33 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

Is there not some kind of middle ground option, where the old and vulnerable continue to isolate while those less at risk who are happy to do so attempt to relax a bit more ? To me it makes sense to use the golden opportunity while the vulnerable are already isolated to do this. We have to build up some immunity somehow (either through catching it or a vaccine - which isn't happening anytime soon ) and the vulnerable are going to have to emerge at some point so why not try to do what we can now (those who can and want to) to make it safer when they do?

Probably but give people an inch and they'll take a mile. Also, what about households with one vulnerable and one not? If we reopen the economy everyone has to play their part, meaning those at risk will generally have transmission points anyway. 

If that was the plan, they should've stuck to their guns at the start and made it happen. As it is, we've got the worst of both options it seems.

[zahidf]

53 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

Horrible as it is but I think if they did a referendum now on herd immunity and accepting the deaths vs carrying on lockdown most would choose the herd immunity approach. This being the non social media dwellers who actually make up the majority of the country. The same people who lead to brexit and overwhelming Tory majorities...

So many just don't seem phased AT ALL by the deaths so far 

Nah polls have most people wanting to keep the lockdown. 

[dotdash79]

1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

I think we all look for examples of where it’s breaking down faster than we do areas where it’s holding ... today I walked over a very quiet m5 motorway but my abiding memory from my walk was someone doing backstreet hair cutting ... I also walked past many people that were observing the rules ... human nature is to look at the worst examples I’m afraid ... and I’m sure media and the like have been doing some kind of job for the government .. maybe indirectly 

I went for a bike ride today on my own and saw loads of groups out riding. 
 

got home to find one set of neighbours with friends round and the other side with parents round.

[Crazyfool01]

19 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

I went for a bike ride today on my own and saw loads of groups out riding. 
 

got home to find one set of neighbours with friends round and the other side with parents round.

Awkward to say the least !! Just watching a party going on ... police have turned up to that adress at least once over lockdown issues ... it’s just beyond my comprehension!! 

[ace56blaa]

Yeah I'm not buying this "we look for the worst examples thing." We have tremendous acts of human kindness in this time. People coming out in droves to support nurses frontline workers. Huge acts of charity and help. People adapting in huge ways to a new way of life. That stuff is deffo getting shared as much as the covidiot stuff imo. Yes whilst it is always an achievement for a huge amount of a country to follow lockdown rules. As I and many others have said on here, you walked around on friday and you saw examples of people breaking lockdown first hand, for me not just one or two, but groups of people. Then in some places whole streets or towns coming out in droves. Also clearly along with the governent's very little response and insufficient help for those affected,. People who are actually following the rules as best as they can are helpless as they watch people risk lives for bbqs and street parties. Even if its only 100  or less people per town breaking rules thats still too much and needs to be highlighted as it has clearly had an effect on making england one of the worst hit countries in the world. 

[SwedgeAntilles]

17 hours ago, Smeble said:

All the way from Stockholm. None of your business really.

Brilliant. 

[stuartbert two hats]

48 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

Brilliant. 

Have you not heard, Britain isn't interested in foreigners any more? 🙄

Unless they're risking their lives in the NHS or picking fruit or something.

[steviewevie]

Went to the park today and was disgusted to see all these people.

[MEGABOWL]

4 hours ago, crazyfool1 said:

I think we all look for examples of where it’s breaking down faster than we do areas where it’s holding ... today I walked over a very quiet m5 motorway but my abiding memory from my walk was someone doing backstreet hair cutting ... I also walked past many people that were observing the rules ... human nature is to look at the worst examples I’m afraid ... and I’m sure media and the like have been doing some kind of job for the government .. maybe indirectly 

That’s true. And you know, it’s another weird thing about this time that it’s a lot, lot easier to see the people who aren’t complying than the ones that are!

Im suspicious that the Government are happy for the LockDown Breakers (TM) to be prominent in the Media so they have someone else to blame. “Well they didn’t follow the advice, we may as well just relax the lockdown....”

[steviewevie]

everyone's keen on the cycling/walking thing when the weather's nice.

[zahidf]

This is terrible as a slogan. Stay alert for what???

 

 

[Crazyfool01]

9 minutes ago, zahidf said:

This is terrible as a slogan. Stay alert for what???

 

 

Is it Sunday already ? Have the clocks changed ? 

[gizmoman]

The reason the government gave for the lockdown was to minimise the number of people who would be infected and therefore reduce the strain on the NHS. That has now been achieved, the daily figures clearly show there is plenty of capacity in the health service to deal with any increase in cases should they arise. We are now entering the summer period where this type of disease normally reduces. There is now no compelling reason to continue the draconian lockdown we have had to endure for the last 6 weeks. the government may believe that  they can dictate how and when lockdown ends but the fact is the people of this country still have free will and they will decide if and when they will start to congregate again. If VE parties are acceptable (and the BBC seem to indicate they are) then any type of social gathering which gives you 6ft clearance from someone else becomes acceptable too. Anyone that wants to continue to lockdown can do so but don't be surprised to see a much freer situation next week. If the government want to try to restrict people with police and or army action they can try to do so but I doubt they will have much luck.

[stuartbert two hats]

30 minutes ago, zahidf said:

This is terrible as a slogan. Stay alert for what???

 

 

Congas.

[FestivalJamie]

11 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

The reason the government gave for the lockdown was to minimise the number of people who would be infected and therefore reduce the strain on the NHS. That has now been achieved, the daily figures clearly show there is plenty of capacity in the health service to deal with any increase in cases should they arise. We are now entering the summer period where this type of disease normally reduces. There is now no compelling reason to continue the draconian lockdown we have had to endure for the last 6 weeks. the government may believe that  they can dictate how and when lockdown ends but the fact is the people of this country still have free will and they will decide if and when they will start to congregate again. If VE parties are acceptable (and the BBC seem to indicate they are) then any type of social gathering which gives you 6ft clearance from someone else becomes acceptable too. Anyone that wants to continue to lockdown can do so but don't be surprised to see a much freer situation next week. If the government want to try to restrict people with police and or army action they can try to do so but I doubt they will have much luck.

No. The government message. Is stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives. (Therefore lockdown is in place not only to protect the nhs but also to reduce the amount of deaths)

This is why we will see the majority of restrictions in place for the next 3 weeks and the introduction of mandatory quarantine from international arrivals.

If it is still against the law to host parties I will continue to report those who do so to the police. 

We’ve had an absolutely devastating number of deaths in this country so far and we need to really work together to minimise more vulnerable people getting critically ill and dying. 

If the government say it’s fine to have parties from Monday, then fine, that’s their decision and one for the whole nation to follow. But if they just extend more freedom of exercise and open garden centres, then I hope people will continue to act sensibly to protect others.

Edited May 9, 2020 by FestivalJamie