When will this shit end?

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

2 hours ago, zahidf said:

One of the pubs near my work was shockingly bad: bar service and no attempts for us to use track and trace. I left without ordering

Saying that it only opened beginning of September, missing eat out, and i was very much getting the impression it was just an exercise to clear out the beer left over before closing for good. 

I'd not drink in a place that I didn't feel comfortable with at the best of times, never mind now.

[Zoo Music Girl]

19 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I don’t want people dying for non covid reasons just because the hospitals were overwhelmed 

But why are people dying of a heart attack or cancer more deserving of treatment than someone with Covid? Who makes those decisions?

[Mr.Tease]

21 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

There was some talk of calling up some reserve doctors out of retirement, although I’m not sure many 60-and-70 somethings will be volunteering to go on the front line atm 

A friend of the family came out of retirement for the first wave and immediately caught covid because there was a lack of PPE, still can't believe the wrecklessness of the government encouraging high risk people to come out of retirement, appeal to their sense of wanting to help others, then have nothing in place to protect them

[Ozanne]

16 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

They did do that! - They even extended the hours someone has retired is allowed to work. The cap used to be sixteen. They also fast tracked a lot of student nurses to help. 

It wouldn't be enough to run nightingale hospitals as a separate wing for covid. In fact nightingale is really a last resort as they are not more than sheds with ventilators and beds in. Obviously they could be improved and made up to scratch, but why hasn't that happened before now. - 

In fact tons of the nurses and doctors bought back to work or fast tracked have no been dropped from the NHS or told they are no longer needed. All in all as soon as the virus seemed less prevalent in june, the gov decided it no longer needed to plan for the worst. You could see it in government policy, they were just acting as if there'd be no second wave. 

So much time wasted by the government and now we are almost back to square 1 in a lot of ways

Spot on about the Government wasting time. They ignored warnings before the first wave and have ignored/wasted time before the 2nd.

[Mr.Tease]

 

[st dan]

[Fuzzy Afro]

17 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

But why are people dying of a heart attack or cancer more deserving of treatment than someone with Covid? Who makes those decisions?

Doctors would decide it based on chance of survival (no point spending resources to treat someone who will die anyway), severity of condition (equally no point spending resources to treat someone who will survive regardless), age, QALY’s etc. This happened in Lombardy. I hope we avoid it here. 

7 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

 

Jesus, it’s like the government haven’t learned a fucking thing and have just wasted half a year of our lives dilly-dallying.

 

How bad was the NW in the peak? I’m trying to take solace with the idea that their peak might not have been that bad comparatively so it shouldn’t be a major shock that it would be repeated. Mind you I’m sure peak deaths in Manchester alone were around the same as the number of deaths per day of the whole UK right now, so I’m not sure what I just said is correct. 

[squirrelarmy]

1600 students tested positive in Newcastle 

[shoptildrop]

Tim Burgess speaks out about the whole retraining suggestion by our Government

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/08/the-arts-rishi-sunak-job-chancellor-hope

[Ryan1984]

1 hour ago, Quark said:

He'll never be gone. He might not be in power, but Trump and his cheerleaders will be on Twitter for a loooooong time

Have a watch of Grayson Perry’s USA documentary from last night. He talks to ‘Bikers for Trump’.

[steviewevie]

50 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

 

Can't they go to hospitals where more space?

[efcfanwirral]

 

1 hour ago, ace56blaa said:

The problem with the nightingale hospital is lack of staff, Doctors have said if you send a patient to a nightinggale hospital you have to send over doctors too, so the actually better way would be improving infrastructure and capacity in the hospitals we already have. 

Not possible in a public system, and the Nightingale hospitals were clearly the first in the long line of public -> private money siphoning without any tangible output, we just didn't realise at the time

50 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Doctors would decide it based on chance of survival (no point spending resources to treat someone who will die anyway), severity of condition (equally no point spending resources to treat someone who will survive regardless), age, QALY’s etc. This happened in Lombardy. I hope we avoid it here. 

Jesus, it’s like the government haven’t learned a fucking thing and have just wasted half a year of our lives dilly-dallying.

 

How bad was the NW in the peak? I’m trying to take solace with the idea that their peak might not have been that bad comparatively so it shouldn’t be a major shock that it would be repeated. Mind you I’m sure peak deaths in Manchester alone were around the same as the number of deaths per day of the whole UK right now, so I’m not sure what I just said is correct. 

My understanding was that we were nowhere near as bad as London at the peak, and that it was centered around Manchester mainly, not the whole NW. I think you're right (from memory) but without having the data to back it up

[stuartbert two hats]

5 hours ago, mcshed said:

The data says more transmission is happening in homes, but not necessarily  that meeting in the pub is safer. More transmission could well be happening in homes simply because many more people are visiting peoples homes.

Did we ever work out if that data was counting inter-household transmission too?  What we're talking about should be how the virus gets into a household since generally speaking if someone in the household gets it, there's a very good chance everyone else will be infected.  But me passing the virus onto my wife is completely irrelevant to the discussion on which socialising is most dangerous. 

[ace56blaa]

Cases are up 3000 

Deaths 77 

We're nearly at the inflated weekend backlog numbers!

[Ozanne]

9 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

Cases are up 3000 

Deaths 77 

We're nearly at the inflated weekend backlog numbers!

Concerning case numbers. It looks like any new restrictions won’t be in place till Wednesday next week if the report in The Guardian is accurate which seems like a bit of a way away at the moment. 

[Tartan_Glasto]

I'm getting different figures showing... 😐

[Chapple12345]

Just now, Ozanne said:

It looks like any new restrictions won’t be in place till Wednesday next week if the report in The Guardian is accurate which seems like a bit of a way away at the moment. 

Don't worry, they'll be announced in a vague tweet at 3:30am on Saturday morning 

[Ozanne]

6 minutes ago, Tartan_Glasto said:

I'm getting different figures showing... 😐

Without meaning to sound patronising, have you refreshed? Mine did the same. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Wow that’s a shitload of cases 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

1 hour ago, squirrelarmy said:

1600 students tested positive in Newcastle 

If universities weren't doing their own testing I wonder how many would be getting tested - is the student population actually a better measure of how widespread it is in the general population they are just being tested irrespective of symptoms? 

If you took the sample size of non students I wonder how many positive cases would show up. 

[Tartan_Glasto]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Without meaning to sound patronising, have you refreshed? Mine did the same. 

Yeah, says it was last updated today at 4pm even when refreshing and it's showing 14,162 cases...odd

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, Tartan_Glasto said:

Yeah, says it was last updated today at 4pm even when refreshing and it's showing 14,162 cases...odd

That’s what mine did, but it was still showing Wednesday so I refreshed and it sorted itself out. 

[stuartbert two hats]

2 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

If universities weren't doing their own testing I wonder how many would be getting tested - is the student population actually a better measure of how widespread it is in the general population they are just being tested irrespective of symptoms? 

If you took the sample size of non students I wonder how many positive cases would show up. 

It's probably both.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Tartan_Glasto said:

Yeah, says it was last updated today at 4pm even when refreshing and it's showing 14,162 cases...odd

perhaps thats the numbers for Glasgow ....  

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Doctors would decide it based on chance of survival (no point spending resources to treat someone who will die anyway), severity of condition (equally no point spending resources to treat someone who will survive regardless), age, QALY’s etc. This happened in Lombardy. I hope we avoid it here. 

Exactly, and this was the point I was making the other day when someone was suggesting hospitals were overwhelmed in spring.

In northern Italy they were deciding who lived and who died by having to decide who could go on a ventilator and who couldn't. That's being overwhelmed. Thankfully we didn't reach that level in spring and hopefully we don't now.