When will this shit end?

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

have they?

Are cases doubling every 7 days like they were in a month ago? 

[Crazyfool01]

For anyone travelling to equador look out if you get caught without a mask ... green police style  

 

Edited October 8, 2020 by crazyfool1

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Are cases doubling every 7 days like they were in a month ago? 

well they were just under 7000 a week ago....

[Fuzzy Afro]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I remember the days when people said the rule of 6 was working because rising cases were slowing, then last weekend happened 😱 memories. 

Let’s wait and see the ONS numbers tomorrow. I suspect they’ll tell us that the rest of England is levelling off and the North West is absolutely humped 

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

well they were just under 7000 a week ago....

By speciman date 

[Ozanne]

8 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

Yes last thursday and friday, where it seemed like the cases were going down each day and that perhaps the government knew what they were doing with those measures. 

But nope turns out they lost 15,000 cases in microsoft excel and that cases had been rising exponentially and now probably will more because there was tons of people who should of been isolating, not doing so for up to a week.

Maybe the government wanted to give us a little false hope before plunging us back in our vaults

Yeah I remember, the data was there in the background of the Imperial College report. Looking back now the cases follow that first graph I shared.

Government incompetence then reared its ugly head again!

 

It really is such a huge fuck on their part, the ramifications could be so huge on this. With any other Government someone would’ve resigned. 

Edited October 8, 2020 by Ozanne

[Ozanne]

2 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Let’s wait and see the ONS numbers tomorrow. I suspect they’ll tell us that the rest of England is levelling off and the North West is absolutely humped 

Which has absolutely nothing to do with my post. We were talking about last week not tomorrow’s data drop. 

[Ozanne]

Soz for the 3rd post in a row. Some polling on a circuit breaker lockdown.

 

[Fuzzy Afro]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Which has absolutely nothing to do with my post. We were talking about last week not tomorrow’s data drop. 

Who gives a fuck about last week’s data? It’s the current picture that matters 

[Mr.Tease]

28 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

This is a really bleak topic, but I was looking into the argument about suicide due to lockdown. 

I can't seem to find any recorded or released data about suicides in 2020 in the UK.

Obviously ONS has posted data from last year, showing suicide has increased in the uk the last ten years, but nothing about directly resulting from the pandemic. 

In fact only data I can find suggests that the first quarter of the year wasn't as high as previous years, but the ONS data said that there'd be delays due to covid and publishing data like this. 

I know it's a depressing subject, but if anyone has the info I would like to know as it's important to weigh these things thinking about lockdown.

I don't have any data, but I wouldn't be surprised if rates were lower, because despite people being isolated there was a feeling of almost solidarity or 'we're all in it together' or a shared experience, and that can take the edge off of the loneliness and absolute despair, that can exasperate suicidal feelings. Also some people did reach out a bit more to friends, families and neighbours via phone calls, Zoom, offers to help, etc

Furthermore, I think during the thick of a crisis, some people are able to put their head down and power on through for a set amount of time, and it's only afterwards that the gravity of what they went through hits them (this will be the main worry for NHS staff who experienced trauma from all the covid-19 cases).

We also got lucky with the sunny weather, which helps lift some people

Rather unspoken about- bizarrely the lockdown was possibly a bit of a relief for some people who struggle with anxiety or depression (particularly social anxiety) because suddenly they didn't have to go to work places or educational establishments, they didn't have to worry about being judged or not fitting in etc, and lockdown gave them more control over their day and routines and cut them off from some things that were troubling them. In fact for a lot of people it was after the main lockdown that they started struggling more. I know for me, someone who's struggled with anxiety my whole life (particularly social!) I was surprised by how much better I felt (after the initial feelings of doom), not having to psych myself up every day (though I did struggle with covid-anxiety dreams- guess my anxiety will always find some food to feed on!), being able to completely control my routines, finding new stuff to do, nice weather etc.

There was also likely a 'novelty factor' in essence, the lockdown took people out of their regular lives and the problems that went with it- in some ways it was a break from reality.

However, unfortunately for some people, it will have likely tipped them over into complete hopelessness, and for some people who need or value social and physical contact, it will have been especially brutal, and for lonely people who didn't have friends, family or neighbours reaching out to them (or were unable to reach back), then again it will have been especially difficult.

Likewise, for others it trapped them in their problems, particularly if they were experiencing a difficult home life, domestic abuse, relationship breakdowns, post natal depression, and it was also probably even harder for those in caring roles or people with terminal illnesses as they got completely cut off from support and respite and had the added anxiety of getting ill and it being fatal. For people with no IT or ability to use it, again it would have made things a lot harder.

Then there is also the trauma of those who experienced covid or had a family member suffer with it, and those that experienced bereavement.

Working in mental health, referrals never seem to come when they're expected, there seems to be a bit of a time lag- people seem able to endure a crisis, but it's a few weeks or months later that it catches up with them, so that might be the case with this. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

7 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

I don't have any data, but I wouldn't be surprised if rates were lower, because despite people being isolated there was a feeling of almost solidarity or 'we're all in it together' or a shared experience, and that can take the edge off of the loneliness and absolute despair, that can exasperate suicidal feelings. Also some people did reach out a bit more to friends, families and neighbours via phone calls, Zoom, offers to help, etc

Furthermore, I think during the thick of a crisis, some people are able to put their head down and power on through for a set amount of time, and it's only afterwards that the gravity of what they went through hits them (this will be the main worry for NHS staff who experienced trauma from all the covid-19 cases).

We also got lucky with the sunny weather, which helps lift some people

Rather unspoken about- bizarrely the lockdown was possibly a bit of a relief for some people who struggle with anxiety or depression (particularly social anxiety) because suddenly they didn't have to go to work places or educational establishments, they didn't have to worry about being judged or not fitting in etc, and lockdown gave them more control over their day and routines and cut them off from some things that were troubling them. In fact for a lot of people it was after the main lockdown that they started struggling more. I know for me, someone who's struggled with anxiety my whole life (particularly social!) I was surprised by how much better I felt (after the initial feelings of doom), not having to psych myself up every day (though I did struggle with covid-anxiety dreams- guess my anxiety will always find some food to feed on!), being able to completely control my routines, finding new stuff to do, nice weather etc.

There was also likely a 'novelty factor' in essence, the lockdown took people out of their regular lives and the problems that went with it- in some ways it was a break from reality.

However, unfortunately for some people, it will have likely tipped them over into complete hopelessness, and for some people who need or value social and physical contact, it will have been especially brutal, and for lonely people who didn't have friends, family or neighbours reaching out to them (or were unable to reach back), then again it will have been especially difficult.

Likewise, for others it trapped them in their problems, particularly if they were experiencing a difficult home life, domestic abuse, relationship breakdowns, post natal depression, and it was also probably even harder for those in caring roles or people with terminal illnesses as they got completely cut off from support and respite and had the added anxiety of getting ill and it being fatal. For people with no IT or ability to use it, again it would have made things a lot harder.

Then there is also the trauma of those who experienced covid or had a family member suffer with it, and those that experienced bereavement.

Working in mental health, referrals never seem to come when they're expected, there seems to be a bit of a time lag- people seem able to endure a crisis, but it's a few weeks or months later that it catches up with them, so that might be the case with this. 

 

Yeah - virtue signalling middle class weirdos who worked at home on full pay throughout, free from any worry of losing their job or becoming ill. 

[SheffJeff]

59 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

This is a really bleak topic, but I was looking into the argument about suicide due to lockdown. 

I can't seem to find any recorded or released data about suicides in 2020 in the UK.

Obviously ONS has posted data from last year, showing suicide has increased in the uk the last ten years, but nothing about directly resulting from the pandemic. 

In fact only data I can find suggests that the first quarter of the year wasn't as high as previous years, but the ONS data said that there'd be delays due to covid and publishing data like this. 

I know it's a depressing subject, but if anyone has the info I would like to know as it's important to weigh these things thinking about lockdown.

My mum volunteers on a suicide hotline thing and apparently calls were significantly lower than usual during lockdown. I'd never really thought of the reasons this might be but Mr Tease raises some interesting points above.   

[Ozanne]

6 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Who gives a fuck about last week’s data? It’s the current picture that matters 

Because someone asked about the restrictions and I reminisced about last week when it appeared to some that cases were rising slower than they were, so I looked into data and saw that actually it showed that wasn’t the case. I ‘give a fuck’ about the most recent data we currently have available because it gives us a true picture of how things were last week, you know when cases were increasing much quicker than anyone thought and as such we are seeing the ramifications of that now. 
You know that lockdown you are so desperate to avoid? Well that data will play a huge part in any decision as to whether it gets put in place so I’d have thought you would be more interested in it. 

[Mr.Tease]

43 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:

I completely agree, my fear is that the longer things go on for with this there will be a far greater number of people feeling this way. By no means am I implying we should swing the doors open and let Covid rip through to allow life back to normal but this adds to the even greater balancing act we as a society face with the pandemic 

I think the aspect that will make things harder is hopelessness. With the first lockdown, there was a feeling it was for a fixed amount of time and then things would be better, now people are worrying that it's endless and there's no hope so there's no point (you can see the shift with some posters on this thread) and that's when we tend to get demotivated and tip into despair. I do get why people are ready to throw in the towel, because they just want it over with and for them it's over by not going through with further lockdowns etc. 

But for me, we're not there yet- try to hold on until the vaccine news and then hopefully we either get some light at the end of the tunnel, or we know we might have to change course (but at least we can look at ourselves in the mirror and know we tried our best first- I'd hate to lose someone or meet someone who's lost someone and feel there was more we could of done), either way, at least we push the surge out of the depths of winter (which is the worse time to have a surge, both NHS-wise and mental health wise! It would be truly shite!)

[Spindles]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Yeah - virtue signalling middle class weirdos who worked at home on full pay throughout, free from any worry of losing their job or becoming ill. 

I thought that the post to which this was a reply was a well written discussion of various people's situation and the challenges that each has faced.  To which of those groups are you referring to decide that this was a suitable response?  

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

Yeah - virtue signalling middle class weirdos who worked at home on full pay throughout, free from any worry of losing their job or becoming ill. 

woah, that's me your talking about.

[Zoo Music Girl]

Out of upvotes but @Mr.Tease deserves them for those two posts. 

[efcfanwirral]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

Yeah - virtue signalling middle class weirdos who worked at home on full pay throughout, free from any worry of losing their job or becoming ill. 

guilty as charged (though I work freelance, which I contest is actually better long term than working at home on full pay knowing the job is likely to disappear at some point soon, as it means multiple income streams and the freedom to try to find new work without being tied down to office hours by one job). 

Not a fan of lockdown 2 though for my own area  - I'm in the North West and nothing will bring the numbers down here til its burnt through - too many idiots, so it feels a bit pointless. This area is going exactly as I expected it to in wave 1, but by some miracle we managed to avoid it. 

I do think for the rest of the country a short lockdown now may help to keep things from being as catastrophic as here is now almost guaranteed to be, they just need to give financial support to businesses make it happen. 

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

woah, that's me your talking about.

He must be a troll at this point?

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, steviewevie said:

woah, that's me your talking about.

I’m pretty much in that group as well don’t worry. I’m middle class, I work at home. I found the lockdown reasonably enjoyable. 

[ace56blaa]

7 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

Yeah - virtue signalling middle class weirdos who worked at home on full pay throughout, free from any worry of losing their job or becoming ill. 

I mean no - Can't tell if you're joking here, but the first 5 months of lockdown, I genuinely had better mental health, I was on a zero hour contract and finding out my hours week to week. I hated commuting to work, especially the buses, as our public transport is dreadful, would sometimes get home 2 hours after finishing work on what should be a 10 minute drive due to bus delays. - Like I said I've definitely been affected by a lot of things in lockdown. 

But as someone on the low end of furlough (700 - 800 a month) I deffo had a lot less to worry about for a short-term period. 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Spindles said:

I thought that the post to which this was a reply was a well written discussion of various people's situation and the challenges that each has faced.  To which of those groups are you referring to decide that this was a suitable response?  

It was a shit response.

[efcfanwirral]

9 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

I think the aspect that will make things harder is hopelessness. With the first lockdown, there was a feeling it was for a fixed amount of time and then things would be better, now people are worrying that it's endless and there's no hope so there's no point (you can see the shift with some posters on this thread) and that's when we tend to get demotivated and tip into despair. I do get why people are ready to throw in the towel, because they just want it over with and for them it's over by not going through with further lockdowns etc. 

But for me, we're not there yet- try to hold on until the vaccine news and then hopefully we either get some light at the end of the tunnel, or we know we might have to change course (but at least we can look at ourselves in the mirror and know we tried our best first- I'd hate to lose someone or meet someone who's lost someone and feel there was more we could of done), either way, at least we push the surge out of the depths of winter (which is the worse time to have a surge, both NHS-wise and mental health wise! It would be truly shite!)

I'm with you on this - I see gig or festival announcements now and just think "ha, as if", and everything else (socialising, going out anywhere but the supermarket) is  truly the "new normal" to me, with it being a bonus if we ever get out of it

Edited October 8, 2020 by efcfanwirral

[Ozanne]

7 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

I think the aspect that will make things harder is hopelessness. With the first lockdown, there was a feeling it was for a fixed amount of time and then things would be better, now people are worrying that it's endless and there's no hope so there's no point (you can see the shift with some posters on this thread) and that's when we tend to get demotivated and tip into despair. I do get why people are ready to throw in the towel, because they just want it over with and for them it's over by not going through with further lockdowns etc. 

But for me, we're not there yet- try to hold on until the vaccine news and then hopefully we either get some light at the end of the tunnel, or we know we might have to change course (but at least we can look at ourselves in the mirror and know we tried our best first- I'd hate to lose someone or meet someone who's lost someone and feel there was more we could of done), either way, at least we push the surge out of the depths of winter (which is the worse time to have a surge, both NHS-wise and mental health wise! It would be truly shite!)

It’s easier said than done but I think if we can get through the winter then things will change from that point. Whether it be a vaccine, or lesser appetite for restrictions from people I think that will be the time we start to see society moving on. 

[Ozanne]

Just now, steviewevie said:

It was a shit response.

I’m one of those people (not middle class I think) but have been working from home since the start of this doing my job, yet I’ve still had anxiety and worry about the illness. Which is completely fair, people will feel anxiety in all sorts of situations especially in relation to this virus.