zahidf Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) Yup. Can already hear rhe boffins excuses why 'now isn't the right time' Edited June 12, 2021 by zahidf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertProsineckisLighter Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ozanne said: Indy SAGE are scientists so will be part of who the PM refers to. Perhaps be is reading this forum too toiletduck is a scientist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Pandemic Euro Championships are a bit dull today. Its like listening to a women's premier league game there is that little atmosphere during the Wales v Switzerland game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalifire Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Barry Fish said: Pandemic Euro Championships are a bit dull today. Its like listening to a women's premier league game there is that little atmosphere during the Wales v Switzerland game. To be fair, it is Wales and Switzerland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, zahidf said: Yup. Can already hear rhe boffins excuses why 'now isn't the right time' I keep saying the problem with delay is you are backing into Flu season and then you are actually fucked. We can't be having a exit wave in October / November. That is my biggest concern if we delay more than 4 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Barry Fish said: I keep saying the problem with delay is you are backing into Flu season and then you are actually fucked. We can't be having a exit wave in October / November. That is my biggest concern if we delay more than 4 weeks. Yup. Open up, let the exit wave do what it will do, and then crack on. Enough is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Matt42 said: Disagree. 21 being delayed is all their doing IMO. It's Delta, not Indie sage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, zahidf said: Yup. Open up, let the exit wave do what it will do, and then crack on. Enough is enough. You're not going to end every post with enough is enough are you? Enough is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, zahidf said: Yup. Open up, let the exit wave do what it will do, and then crack on. Enough is enough. The best way to use NHS capacity is to spread the issue out... This new found fear to act is the opposite of what we need right now. We have capacity right now in the NHS to handle this which we won't have the closer we get to Autumn. I buy there is an argument that they might want an extra 2 to 4 weeks to make the exit wave smaller. I think its overall cautious and more about politics but if its happening then fine. But extending further will lock us into not being able to unlock until next Spring I fear. It will be looked back on as a massive mistake. In the same way reopening too soon was. Edited June 12, 2021 by Barry Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWillis2 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said: It's Delta, not Indie sage. The Indian variant causing the uptick we knew was coming after step 3 and would have caused the exit wave we were told all along there would be but now isn’t allowed? Despite evidence the vaccines work. The goalposts are being moved again. Edited June 12, 2021 by BobWillis2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 The hospitals are largely empty. You can't just ignore that. Its all fear and models that have been wrong throughout. We are below the Sage model prediction still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/12/delay-lifting-covid-restrictions-in-england-warn-experts "unclear" "cautious" "seems to be" "we may" If I held a business meeting with my brightest and best people using words like that I would be pretty dam angry and tell them to stop talking shit. I can't do anything with experts using useless phrases like that. They are nothing words and just a sign of people telling me to do something with no evidence on why I should. Edited June 12, 2021 by Barry Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Alright Alan Sugar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, CaledonianGonzo said: Alright Alan Sugar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Mark Drakeford just tutted at the TV at the sight of wales fans hugging and kissing as that screamer of a header went in 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycra Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) On 6/4/2021 at 8:13 PM, crazyfool1 said: @Lycra what is your experience of how things are going now in terms of illness .... and treatment for covid patients ? looks like some are in hospital for very short periods of time ? what treatment would someone need in those circumstances ? and have you seen many patients that haven't had the jab at all ? @crazyfool1 It's all going very well in this neck of the woods (Staffs/South Derbys). So few covid patients has enabled all wards to be released back to normal duties, including respiratory. What few covids presenting are now confined to a dedicated isolation unit. Not seen any up tick yet from Delta: long my that continue. Edited June 12, 2021 by Lycra 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalifire Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said: Despite evidence the vaccines work. Only if both vaccine shots are taken. It appears that just one shot provides a poor defence against Delta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 The only issue I have is the dishonesty. I think everyone is well aware that we aren't going to open up in 4 weeks. I just wish they wouldn't pretend we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, kalifire said: Only if both vaccine shots are taken. It appears that just one shot provides a poor defence against Delta. Reality is the people who really have something to worry about have had two shots and the rest only ever stood a small chance of complications. The young ones turning up at A&E would of been turned away in previous waves and are mostly just getting support from a bit of extra oxygen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Just now, efcfanwirral said: The only issue I have is the dishonesty. I think everyone is well aware that we aren't going to open up in 4 weeks. I just wish they wouldn't pretend we are. I don't agree. I think it will be 4 weeks max. My gut says Boris will allow no more than a 4 week delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Just now, Barry Fish said: I don't agree. I think it will be 4 weeks max. My gut says Boris will allow no more than a 4 week delay. I hope you're right. It'll be some interesting mental gymnastics to justify reopening then over now when numbers are realistically a lot higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said: I hope you're right. It'll be some interesting mental gymnastics to justify reopening then over now when numbers are realistically a lot higher. I think if he is wise he will say on Monday that re-opening on the 21st is finely balanced so he wants to give it 2 to 4 weeks more to make sure of it but confirm we WILL reopen in July and tell business to get ready. That would be an approach I think would appease all side to some degree. If its more - wait and see- I will join you in worrying... and it will damage business saying that... Dates and trust in vaccines over data that isn't telling us anything and "experts" who can only use words like "maybe". Edited June 12, 2021 by Barry Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Barry Fish said: I think if he is wise he will say on Monday that re-opening on the 21st is finely balanced so he wants to give it 2 to 4 weeks more to make sure of it but confirm we WILL reopen in July and tell business to get ready. That would be an approach I think would appease all side to some degree. Yeah and after reading some stories he really needs a gesture of goodwill around the weddings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEGABOWL Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) We have to remember fear is a powerful force. It’s been a really frightening 15 months and that affects people in different ways. Some are going to take longer to get over this, if they ever will. We also have loud voices in the media promoting that fear, because bad news gets more attention than good. As for the delay itself, I can’t see there being much change in 4 weeks so it’s likely to be a very long time now before we see any significant further reductions (the Scottish Government is already proposing retaining Emergency powers until next year). If that’s what the public wants, OK, but at some point we need to shift the balance back from ‘lifting restrictions needs to be justified’ to ‘having restrictions needs to be justified.’ It needs to move from ‘Government knows best, follow the rules’ to ‘this is the situation, everyone take responsibility.’ The longer it goes on the harder it is going to be to burst that fear bubble. Edited June 12, 2021 by MEGABOWL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said: We have to remember fear is a powerful force. It’s been a really frightening 15 months and that affects people in different ways. Some are going to take longer to get over this, if they ever will. We also have loud voices in the media promoting that fear, because bad news gets more attention than good. As for the delay itself, I can’t see there being much change in 4 weeks so it’s likely to be a very long time now before we see any significant further reductions (the Scottish Government is already proposing retaining Emergency powers until next year). If that’s what the public wants, OK, but at some point we need to shift the balance back from ‘lifting restrictions needs to be justified’ to ‘having restrictions needs to be justified.’ The longer it goes on the harder it is going to be to burst that fear bubble. Unfortunately it only needs to go on til September then they can say kids are in danger. Then it's flu season and fear of NHS being in trouble. Scotland and Wales have been consistent this is not over this year and I've always obviously trusted their words more, even if its not what I want to hear Edited June 12, 2021 by efcfanwirral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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