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12 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Perhaps he wasn't advised to close the boarder? 

Loads of different people at the time were saying India should’ve been put on the red list.

You can’t blame Indy SAGE for the delay and let Johnson off the hook. I know some people (in general, not specifically on here) like to let Johnson get away with everything but this is on him.

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2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Covid: PM promises 'caution' over 21 June lockdown end https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57454258

I think this pretty much confirms a delay as he doesn’t want to risk having to go back on any easing in a few weeks time which is a fair call imo. 

I agree 

What he needs to do on Monday is give the conference with stats and figures as to why the extra 4 weeks would benefit us, perhaps give us estimates of the additional doses that can be done in that time too and also make the point the delay will make us less likely to go back on it as that's been his go to line through all this 

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10 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I guess the wait now is to see if we get anything allowed with negative tests ....

For the time being its a sensible compromise imo, let's us closely reopen and allow things to get going again and minimises risks, if it can be used for trials and international travel it can be for things like events or sports etc

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57 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

 

Well I can guarantee that the bar won't be lower in 5 weeks time if we're seeing these rises with the current level of restrictions. It'll be the peak of this "wave" 

I just wish they'd be honest about it. Social distancing is with us til next summer (at least) - they're just giving us false hope dates again. Then they'll give us another, then it'll be schools going back and we need to protect the children. Then boosters, then height of winter so NHS can't cope (and even if we do get a couple of months of a bit more stuff, this will happen anyway- it'll be a brutal winter healthcare wise and strong restrictions are inevitable) 

Not even saying it from a conspiracy point of view (though questions may need to be asked if we're under similar or even more restrictions this time next year). This is what the scientists will have said as a long term plan, but that plan isn't politically acceptable so they have to psychologically manipulate us 

 

This is a problem, in 4 more weeks the data will be even worse than now so I can’t see how deciding no to the 21st June on current data but yes to 19th July is even possible.

Yes, they’ll be a load more jabs by then but it’s not like they’re going full guns anyway. For example, the risk assessment for under 40s getting AZ was presented as a weigh up between risk of Covid related illness vs clot risk. Either the current risk profile is now different, and we should’ve sped up jabs to under 30s so the 4 week delay is worth it to catch up. Or the risk assessment HASN’T changed, therefore jabbing those groups won’t make much difference, so the delay also won’t make much difference.

(Caveat: obvs my point above is very simplistic and it’s more complex than that.)

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23 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Loads of different people at the time were saying India should’ve been put on the red list.

You can’t blame Indy SAGE for the delay and let Johnson off the hook. I know some people (in general, not specifically on here) like to let Johnson get away with everything but this is on him.

I'm not blaming anyone for the delay. 

The delay is being caused by a number of factors. One of which is the delta variant. 

Only way to stop imported variants is to close the boarder indefinitely or ensure quarentine for everyone to minimise the seepage. What about home grown variants? 

Zero covid isn't going to happen and the idea of it is as dangerous at the loopy anti Vax lot.

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Who else thinks the gov leaked this 4 week delay to the media to get everyone worked up, so when bojo actually announces a 2 week delay, or some restrictions ending on 21st but not all, he looks like the hero saving our summer?

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4 minutes ago, Simsy said:

Who else thinks the gov leaked this 4 week delay to the media to get everyone worked up, so when bojo actually announces a 2 week delay, or some restrictions ending on 21st but not all, he looks like the hero saving our summer?

Fuck I hope so. Been thinking that myself. Been talking to some of my colleagues today. The only thing getting us through since reopening was, it's only 5 weeks. Another 4 on top might break us. 

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8 minutes ago, Simsy said:

Who else thinks the gov leaked this 4 week delay to the media to get everyone worked up, so when bojo actually announces a 2 week delay, or some restrictions ending on 21st but not all, he looks like the hero saving our summer?

They always leak purposefully. 1) to gauge the response from public 2) to soften the blow of when they officially announce something.. everyone already knew and have already started to accept it

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13 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

I'm not blaming anyone for the delay. 

The delay is being caused by a number of factors. One of which is the delta variant. 

Only way to stop imported variants is to close the boarder indefinitely or ensure quarentine for everyone to minimise the seepage. What about home grown variants? 

Zero covid isn't going to happen and the idea of it is as dangerous at the loopy anti Vax lot.

I agree, they should’ve closed the borders much earlier to countries that were rife with the virus such as India. It’s the reason we aren’t unlocking in full on the 21st. 

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Indie sage will just be saying what real sage are telling the government privately. The delta variant is more infectious and could result in 3rd wave which could lead to a big rise in hospitalisations. The link between cases and hospitalisations is weak, but is still there,and they don't know how bad it will get. Govt has to decide if worth risking fully opening or not. This is the situation, not all the paranoid conspiracy bollocks that gets posted on here.

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19 minutes ago, jannybruck said:

Sadiq has been extremely cautious and pro-restrictions throughout this whole thing, to the point of it being a bit OTT at points, so this is a nice surprise.

or is he playing politics ?  Swings to the opposite view point of the Tory government.

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Just now, Barry Fish said:

or is he playing politics ?  Swings to the opposite view point of the Tory government.

Nah, he's just won another term and generally seems to want to have the city moving again. As I said he's been cautious throughout this so if he is publicly saying stuff like the above then he almost certainly means it.

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Just now, BobWillis2 said:

Boris needs to get rid of SAGE now, it’s beyond a joke. 
We cannot save every life. 

 

I guess we care less about the guy who kills himself because he is now finically ruined.  The only difference is that guy doesn't hit the headlines. 

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I look forward to Boris banning all forms of travel on Monday as we cannot risk anyone losing their lives unnecessarily. 
 

Smoking, alcohol, sugar and processed food all on the hit list too. 
 

Zero deaths from any preventable causes must be our target. For the greater good. 

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