When will this shit end?

[tigger123]

5 minutes ago, Steveb72 said:

Just heard that my mum and dad are both getting their vacs this Saturday they are 72 and 74, so they seem to be moving down the list on getting people vaccinated.

My grandpa is 89 (lives near Reading) and is still yet to get the invitation for the vaccine, which is causing him great distress as he lives and is not seeing anybody until he is vaccinated. So unfortunately it doesn't seem to mean that they're moving down the list given the top priority haven't all been vaccinated yet. Unfairly, it does seem that there is a bit of a postcode lottery going on with availability of vaccinations.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

The crisis would be a long way from over even with a more competent Government. Look around Europe.

true...although we're currently in a worst state aren't we? But...yes, getting worse elsewhere too.

[parsonjack]

3 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

 

This is the greatest news of the year.  Period.

Close the thread now.

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

true...although we're currently in a worst state aren't we? But...yes, getting worse elsewhere too.

Not even close. Lithuania currently going full Wuhan. 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

No worries. I think it's too simplistic to think the government (as a collective)  didn't see increases coming with things like the return to university they would have seen it and they would have felt they could mitigate the risk due to the ages of those getting infected not increasing the pressure on the hospitals. Due to the demographics involved. 

The rationale behind eat out to help out was make hay whilst the sun shines - we don't know how many businesses have survived this long because of that scheme at the time that decision was made we coped with any increase it brought about. When you judge the decisions in the context of the time they were made they haven't been disastrous in the grand scheme of things (unlike the nursing home decision). 

A friend of mine is convinced his business would have gone under without the tiers because it allowed him some time to open and make some money to make some bills. Now he is back under Tier 4 he is worried for his businesses future again. He will not be alone. 

Personally I think the biggest mistake they have made lately has been London and the South East avoiding T3 after the November lock down why this decision was made we'll probably never know and how much of this increase down there now is actually attributed to the new strain. The way people move around the capital cannot have helped - but as I've said hindsight is a wonderful thing. 

To all intents and purposes the country is in a November style lockdown we will see in the next few weeks if it's harsh enough or not.

Obviously there are a few areas that aren't the majority of which have been under T3 restrictions for a long time. Does this show that T3 is in fact the balancing point between the economy and controling the virus? Are the tiers about right and it's just how we are allocating the tiers that needs refining?

Decisions are made at a point in time based on the information and the situation at that point in time. They are then judged in the context of what we know now, not what we knew then. 

wasn't the rationale behind eat out to help out also so people get more confident to go to these places, otherwise govt could have just missed out the middle man and chucked money at the businesses themselves....and in the end young the virus was spreading amongst young people, and the majority of people working in hospitality are young people. Sunak was all for living with the virus which the tory faithful fucking loved.

[stuartbert two hats]

I know we touched on this last night, but what do you think about the big gap for Pfizer @Toilet Duck? It's a big gamble given that particular vaccine hasn't been tested with that gap, but it's a gamble that could save a lot of lives.

So...do you think it will? Or is it more likely to go wrong?

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Not even close. Lithuania currently going full Wuhan. 

apart from Lithuania.

Anyway, we're pretty bad compared to our neighbours in Western Europe...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[Steveb72]

5 minutes ago, parsonjack said:

Wow....hopefully not an insensitive question but do they have vulnerabilities other than age?

My Dad has got COPD but Mum is fine.  They got a phone call about an hour ago asking them to come in on Saturday to get them done.

[parsonjack]

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Jesus 55,000 cases and 964 deaths with a just-about-functioning NHS. January going to be ugly when it actually gets overwhelmed. 

Adding a shred of positivity it needs to be noted that deaths by date of death has only been above 500 twice in the last 2 weeks.

Still tragic whatever 😢

Edited December 31, 2020 by parsonjack

[stuartbert two hats]

7 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Not even close. Lithuania currently going full Wuhan. 

Do you have a link to that? The text is fuzzier than your afro.

[st dan]

14 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

 

Amazing - but he better have shorts on here or I’ll be very disappointed!

[parsonjack]

4 minutes ago, Steveb72 said:

My Dad has got COPD but Mum is fine.  They got a phone call about an hour ago asking them to come in on Saturday to get them done.

That's great news for them.  Seems sensible that your health authority is able to vaccinate co-dependents in such circumstances.

[gigpusher]

23 minutes ago, parsonjack said:

That's terrible.  Really sorry to hear and I hope you are doing ok in the circumstances ☹

Thanks. Fair to say I've had better years but it's odd going into a new year knowing that it's going to be one of your worst yet especially when everyone is doing the things can only get better speech. On the work front, on the injured dog front and with my brothers illness I don't have much hope of feeling good for quite a while. It's a bit of a case of just got to get through it and hopefully we'll have a little flickering light at the end of the tunnel of some normality by the end of next year but it has given me a unique sense of perspective about lockdown. I feel so bad for my brother who can't make the most of the small amount of good health he has left and by the time we have this under control he'll probably be too poorly to do some of the things he had hoped to do. 

[Toilet Duck]

2 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I know we touched on this last night, but what do you think about the big gap for Pfizer @Toilet Duck? It's a big gamble given that particular vaccine hasn't been tested with that gap, but it's a gamble that could save a lot of lives.

So...do you think it will? Or is it more likely to go wrong?

Howdy, best guess, it’ll be grand. Bigger gaps to booster shots are actually more commonplace than a short 3 week one (though, technically it’s a two shot regimen). But, the trials would have been a lot longer if they had been designed to test that. Given the level of protection (at least from severe disease) after the first dose, it’s probably a gamble worth taking (even if we end up having to do a full 2 shot course later on (don’t think we will though)). I can totally understand why Pfizer aren’t in favour, they have a regimen that works really well, so they’d prefer it was left like that. But public health isn’t top of their agenda. 

[steviewevie]

 

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

22 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

 

Go on, young Athelstan! 

[Chapple12345]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

I'm so glad to hear such positive news to end the year, especially when others have been so slow to get off the mark 

[Matt42]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/31/covid-france-pandering-to-anti-vaxxers-with-slow-vaccine-rollout

This is what concerns me about the festivals chances. That we are getting over promised the speed of the roll out and Glastonbury might come a little bit too late. You can see in France above and with the US that they are not rolling out this vaccine as fast as they hoped for. We know first hand what it’s like to have a government who promise the world and don’t deliver. Whatever happened to operation moonshot?

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

2 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/31/covid-france-pandering-to-anti-vaxxers-with-slow-vaccine-rollout

This is what concerns me about the festivals chances. That we are getting over promised the speed of the roll out and Glastonbury might come a little bit too late. You can see in France above and with the US that they are not rolling out this vaccine as fast as they hoped for. We know first hand what it’s like to have a government who promise the world and don’t deliver. Whatever happened to operation moonshot?

Don’t see any relevance in that to us in the U.K.?

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

18 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

wasn't the rationale behind eat out to help out also so people get more confident to go to these places, otherwise govt could have just missed out the middle man and chucked money at the businesses themselves....and in the end young the virus was spreading amongst young people, and the majority of people working in hospitality are young people. Sunak was all for living with the virus which the tory faithful fucking loved.

It was to stimulate the economy get people out on the less busy nights and it worked. 

It meant that places needed staff on their quite nights which meant people were getting work they wouldn't be getting. 

We are going to have to live with the virus just not in the way we were having to move with it back in the summer. Hopefully thanks to the various vaccines a more normal world than normal. 

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Don’t see any relevance in that to us in the U.K.?

The point is that we are seeing in other countries that the roll out doesn’t happen as fast as they promise it. We won’t be immune from that. What this pandemic has taught me the most is that the obstacles another country faces, we will most likely face too.

Our numbers for vaccines are good at the moment but they seriously need to pick up the pace very soon for us to confidently talk about 200,000 attendance events going ahead in 6 months time.

[parsonjack]

6 minutes ago, gigpusher said:

Thanks. Fair to say I've had better years but it's odd going into a new year knowing that it's going to be one of your worst yet especially when everyone is doing the things can only get better speech. On the work front, on the injured dog front and with my brothers illness I don't have much hope of feeling good for quite a while. It's a bit of a case of just got to get through it and hopefully we'll have a little flickering light at the end of the tunnel of some normality by the end of next year but it has given me a unique sense of perspective about lockdown. I feel so bad for my brother who can't make the most of the small amount of good health he has left and by the time we have this under control he'll probably be too poorly to do some of the things he had hoped to do. 

It sounds churlish but even with such a dark horizon the daylight will at some point reappear, and  I can fully understand that your own circumstances make the optimism on here around vaccines and recovery by the Spring seem of little comfort.  Thankyou for sharing, I am sure there are others on here with their own personal issues other than Covid, but hearing your situation brings into perspective how fortunate many of us are, even Covid considered.

Hoping you stay strong and have others around you for support.  We're always here too.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

It was to stimulate the economy get people out on the less busy nights and it worked. 

It meant that places needed staff on their quite nights which meant people were getting work they wouldn't be getting. 

We are going to have to live with the virus just not in the way we were having to move with it back in the summer. Hopefully thanks to the various vaccines a more normal world than normal. 

well, learning to live with it last summer was a mistake it turns out...

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

3 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

The point is that we are seeing in other countries that the roll out doesn’t happen as fast as they promise it. We won’t be immune from that. What this pandemic has taught me the most is that the obstacles another country faces, we will most likely face too.

Our numbers for vaccines are good at the moment but they seriously need to pick up the pace very soon for us to confidently talk about 200,000 attendance events going ahead in 6 months time.

We’re doing decent numbers with a vaccine that logistically can only be rolled out from hospitals. From next week we have one that can be rolled out on a mass scale in football stadiums and the like, and basically wherever we can get the volunteers and vaccines to.

Only thing that will limit it is physical supply.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

The point is that we are seeing in other countries that the roll out doesn’t happen as fast as they promise it. We won’t be immune from that. What this pandemic has taught me the most is that the obstacles another country faces, we will most likely face too.

Our numbers for vaccines are good at the moment but they seriously need to pick up the pace very soon for us to confidently talk about 200,000 attendance events going ahead in 6 months time.

We appear to be in a race against this new variant (we have to call it new variant, right? not new strain?)