When will this shit end?

[zahidf]

 

[efcfanwirral]

 

42 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Yet another days that just (just) dips under 1,000 deaths. Keeps happening.

Is it complete paranoia to think that the people in government responsible are delaying counting certain deaths so they can keep the number each day under the psychologically worse-sounding 1,000 number?

100% - confirmed by the PM saying "just under 1000 deaths" the other day

24 minutes ago, xxialac said:

The detail is being released at 6pm by a mainstream news outlet.

If there's one thing worse than incompetence it's trying to deny the public the truth.

Proper leakng and journalism - until they step on that (today - they'll have an order out to the media after this 6pm report and it'll be back to less official twitter leaks only) 

15 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I respect different views on this but for me a good economy is something to work on once only once you have low case numbers. You can no longer balance both when the case numbers are out of control.

I'm amazed we haven't had an eat IN to help out - to help those that can do takeaway only now. 

Edit - haha just realised I quoted you 3 times, didnt even notice! 

Edited December 31, 2020 by efcfanwirral

[danmarks]

Hah. Cos Cummings is an upright kind of guy i'd trust.

[steviewevie]

Cummings is such a sneaky little turd. He should have resigned for that Barnard castle thing (even more so Johnson should have fired him), it did so much damage to public trust that was never regained. He's a twat.

[Guest]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend though? If he can help damage Johnson is that a good thing?

[parsonjack]

4 hours ago, gigpusher said:

Yep my brother will be one of them. Diagnosed with oesophageal cancer. He waited 4 months of not feeling able to eat properly. I know he doesn't like going to the doctor but in normal times I am sure he wouldn't have waited that long. By the time he went it had spread too much. 

I know so many friends etc who have lost loved ones to cancer this year. 

That's terrible.  Really sorry to hear and I hope you are doing ok in the circumstances ☹

[steviewevie]

...and yes the government had it hard the poor things...and I do feel a bit of sympathy with the tough choices they had back in March...but they had all summer to sort out the test and trace thing, and spent a hec of a lot of money on it...and to be fair the test thing was pretty good, but the trace part was useless....and here we are, in a right fuckin state.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The enemy of my enemy is my friend though? If he can help damage Johnson is that a good thing?

surely there's a limit. You could make the same point with Farage and the tories.

[xxialac]

Who out of Cummings or Johnson is more untrustworthy?

Impossible to call.

[topmarksbri]

Just now, steviewevie said:

surely there's a limit. You could make the same point with Farage and the tories.

Farage's goal is to move the tories to the right. Cummings goal is to destroy everything. 

[MEGABOWL]

15 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

I’ll get the popcorn in for that one

[Crazyfool01]

Seeing in the new year NZ style ... as close as I’m gonna get 

[MEGABOWL]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

...and yes the government had it hard the poor things...and I do feel a bit of sympathy with the tough choices they had back in March...but they had all summer to sort out the test and trace thing, and spent a hec of a lot of money on it...and to be fair the test thing was pretty good, but the trace part was useless....and here we are, in a right fuckin state.

I always got the feeling they didn’t really take T&T seriously. Never really got why it was so important. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

Seeing in the new year NZ style ... as close as I’m gonna get 

Good choice. 

[Steveb72]

Just heard that my mum and dad are both getting their vacs this Saturday they are 72 and 74, so they seem to be moving down the list on getting people vaccinated.

[MEGABOWL]

48 minutes ago, xxialac said:

The government has evidently taken a 'wait and see' rather than 'be decisive' approach throughout the crisis.

And every fucking time it's been the wrong call. This Christmas was the final straw for me. 

They are absolutely to blame.

Extending the crisis has also damaged the economy as well as the health of the nation.

Lose-lose.

The crisis would be a long way from over even with a more competent Government. Look around Europe.

[topmarksbri]

2 minutes ago, Steveb72 said:

Just heard that my mum and dad are both getting their vacs this Saturday they are 72 and 74, so they seem to be moving down the list on getting people vaccinated.

Oh wow! Do you mind me asking where about they're based?

[Steveb72]

1 minute ago, topmarksbri said:

Oh wow! Do you mind me asking where about they're based?

On the Wirral.

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

Just a thought, but with everyone’s grannies and elderly parents (mine are in their seventies) getting vaccinated it’s going to get harder and harder to stop households mixing, isn’t it?

Edited December 31, 2020 by Deaf Nobby Burton

[Ryan1984]

 

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

I always got the feeling they didn’t really take T&T seriously. Never really got why it was so important. 

didn't they spend 12 billion on it?

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Steveb72 said:

Just heard that my mum and dad are both getting their vacs this Saturday they are 72 and 74, so they seem to be moving down the list on getting people vaccinated.

kin'ell, my mum is 90 today and she's still not got one (glad for your parents though!)

[parsonjack]

5 minutes ago, Steveb72 said:

Just heard that my mum and dad are both getting their vacs this Saturday they are 72 and 74, so they seem to be moving down the list on getting people vaccinated.

Wow....hopefully not an insensitive question but do they have vulnerabilities other than age?

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

12 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

Yeah sorry, shouldn't have said shut up, 

Just tired of hearing the same talking points that made sense at the beginning of the pandemic like the Tories not having a crystal ball. Even though then they did have the benefit of seeing the effect on Italy and other countries before it was out of control here, they clearly were not going to make perfect decisions about the virus, as back then we knew very little about it. 

The crystal ball thing just comes across to me as parroting the same rhetoric that johnson himself does when calling Keir Starmer captain hindsight. 

Yes it's easier to point out governmental mistakes after the fact, but that is no longer what is happening, press, scientists and the general public, often see something coming, like the surge in infections at Universities or the U-turn on christmas mixing way before the government acts. Sometimes weeks or months before. 

It just seems like most of your arguments haven't changed to reflect the situation we are currently in and why we're in it. Like the whole eat out to help out thing, I'd be on the same page of your if the economy had recovered and the these businesses weren't closed now, but they are. 

Again sorry for saying shut up, not a healthy way to debate, but crystal ball? like what? You honestly think the government couldn't see most of this coming and just chose to ignore or hope it wouldn't, 

No worries. I think it's too simplistic to think the government (as a collective)  didn't see increases coming with things like the return to university they would have seen it and they would have felt they could mitigate the risk due to the ages of those getting infected not increasing the pressure on the hospitals. Due to the demographics involved. 

The rationale behind eat out to help out was make hay whilst the sun shines - we don't know how many businesses have survived this long because of that scheme at the time that decision was made we coped with any increase it brought about. When you judge the decisions in the context of the time they were made they haven't been disastrous in the grand scheme of things (unlike the nursing home decision). 

A friend of mine is convinced his business would have gone under without the tiers because it allowed him some time to open and make some money to make some bills. Now he is back under Tier 4 he is worried for his businesses future again. He will not be alone. 

Personally I think the biggest mistake they have made lately has been London and the South East avoiding T3 after the November lock down why this decision was made we'll probably never know and how much of this increase down there now is actually attributed to the new strain. The way people move around the capital cannot have helped - but as I've said hindsight is a wonderful thing. 

To all intents and purposes the country is in a November style lockdown we will see in the next few weeks if it's harsh enough or not.

Obviously there are a few areas that aren't the majority of which have been under T3 restrictions for a long time. Does this show that T3 is in fact the balancing point between the economy and controling the virus? Are the tiers about right and it's just how we are allocating the tiers that needs refining?

Decisions are made at a point in time based on the information and the situation at that point in time. They are then judged in the context of what we know now, not what we knew then. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

 

It would be wonderful! Great to see the big guy getting the vaccine!