When will this shit end?

[xxialac]

15 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

The other thing to bear in mind is surveillance, we just happened to pick it first but it’s not to say it wasn’t already all over the world anyway.

Suspect this is behind the truth of it.

Edited January 1, 2021 by xxialac

[Fuzzy Afro]

42 minutes ago, Lycra said:

@Fuzzy Afro

For your education PHE Technical Briefing 18 Dec 2020. Specifically see page 9 - Reinfections & reinfections rates. 

Technical_Briefing_VOC202012-2_Briefing_2_FINAL.pdfUnavailable

That suggests that re-infection is incredibly rare.

[Matt42]

4 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I don’t know, but with what we know about the virus I would’ve thought it would take quite a significant change for it to suddenly start spreading far more readily from surfaces.

I thought what made it so contagious in the first place was it’s ‘spikiness’ and how easy it latches on, so would assume it’s to do with that.

The other thing to bear in mind is surveillance, we just happened to pick it first but it’s not to say it wasn’t already all over the world anyway.

Yeah I agree, first to point out doesn’t necessarily mean it came from here.

And no that is not a defence to people calling it the British variant 😛 

[Fuzzy Afro]

31 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

It's an interesting observation, as I do feel a lot of Britain has lost it's sense of community. The neoliberalism and libertarian attitudes have really crept it. I actually think a lot of divides have been created in society as a result of the pandemic, so it's not just the physical health impact it's had. It has put a spotlight on a lot of selfish pricks amongst us, who I used to think were in the minority.

Humans are inherently “selfish”. We are biologically wired to live in small groups and look out for the members of those groups to the detriment of people in other groups and different species. 

Edited January 1, 2021 by Fuzzy Afro

[xxialac]

9 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Humans are inherently “selfish”. We are biologically wired to live in small groups and look out for the members of those groups to the detriment of people in other groups and different species. 

Try visiting Japan!

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Try visiting Japan!

Japan are surprisingly anti vax. Half said they won't take the covid vaccine in the last poll I saw

[zahidf]

17 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

That suggests that re-infection is incredibly rare.

It can both be rare and also clustered around hospitals some people have experience in. 

[steviewevie]

23 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

The other thing to bear in mind is surveillance, we just happened to pick it first but it’s not to say it wasn’t already all over the world anyway.

maybe, but elsewhere not seeing rapid rise in cases like we are...?

[xxialac]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Japan are surprisingly anti vax. Half said they won't take the covid vaccine in the last poll I saw

True - think this is linked to past scandals when the vaccines turned out to be ineffective.

But nonetheless it's a society that by far prioritises the wellbeing of the community over the individual.

[steviewevie]

Just now, xxialac said:

But nonetheless it's a society that by far prioritises the wellbeing of the community over the individual.

Yeah, definitelty...been there a couple of times. To a selfish western bastard like me the place is fucking weird.

[steviewevie]

New coronavirus variant may have been in US since October

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/01/now-coronavirus-variant-us-since-october

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

maybe, but elsewhere not seeing rapid rise in cases like we are...?

Does that imply its an environmental e.g. behaviours of people as opposed to the virus itself which are causing the huge increase in London and South East because other countries aren't seeing the extreme rises we are linked to the new variant?

Has the new variant just become a scape goat?

Edited January 1, 2021 by RobertProsineckisLighter

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Does that imply its an environmental e.g. behaviours of people as opposed to the virus itself which are causing the huge increase in London and South East because other countries aren't seeing the extreme rises we are linked to the new variant?

Has the new variant just become a scape goat?

maybe, but scientific consensus is it's the new variant.

[zahidf]

Don't exercise heavily after catching Covid 

[zahidf]

Another view

 

[Lycra]

22 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

That suggests that re-infection is incredibly rare.

The briefing outlines measured reinfection rates ranging from 0.1% to 0.9%. Other groups e.g. Imperial, suggest reinfections rates could be as high as 10%. Clinical staff working in a covid rich environment are also more likely to be reinfected. ......It is time you apologised for calling me a liar and show respect to those putting their lives at risk whilst trying to save the lives of others.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

maybe, but scientific consensus is it's the new variant.

Could be both. 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Another view

 

some people make same arguments about allowing journalists into war zones...

[steviewevie]

Just now, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Could be both. 

yeah, maybe...maybe people relaxed too much with all the vaccine news...but, I think this new variant spreads more in kids which is why schools became such a big problem in london before xmas.

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

9 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Don't exercise heavily after catching Covid 

I’m not sure about that, I support a championship football team and at least three of the players seem to get it every single week, and it seems to be the same across the rest of the league (loads of games cancelled recently due to too many Covid cases) They’re out for a week or so and straight back in the team. 

[sisco]

7 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I’m not sure about that, I support a championship football team and at least three of the players seem to get it every single week, and it seems to be the same across the rest of the league (loads of games cancelled recently due to too many Covid cases) They’re out for a week or so and straight back in the team. 

I’d argue that like everything it’ll affect everyone in different ways.  I had a positive test a month ago now and even when I walk upstairs I’m out of breath (granted not the fittest but did used to walk about 3 miles a day to and from work).  Lascelles and Saint-Maximum from Newcastle have apparently struggled to recover from their bouts of it.  Whereas others like you’ve said have been out and back in a week or 2 (Salah was one).  
 

Think what’s clear is it’s a horrible disease and we can’t predict how any one of us would feel with and after it.

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I’m not sure about that, I support a championship football team and at least three of the players seem to get it every single week, and it seems to be the same across the rest of the league (loads of games cancelled recently due to too many Covid cases) They’re out for a week or so and straight back in the team. 

maybe just depends on how bad you get it, some people take longer to recover due to trying to do too much too soon.

[steviewevie]

 

[Zoo Music Girl]

20 minutes ago, Lycra said:

The briefing outlines measured reinfection rates ranging from 0.1% to 0.9%. Other groups e.g. Imperial, suggest reinfections rates could be as high as 10%. Clinical staff working in a covid rich environment are also more likely to be reinfected. ......It is time you apologised for calling me a liar and show respect to those putting their lives at risk whilst trying to save the lives of others.

Well said, but most of his posts are trolling for attention so I would probably try to ignore him if I were you. Not really worth your time. Thanks for all you do.

[gizmoman]

11 minutes ago, Lycra said:

The briefing outlines measured reinfection rates ranging from 0.1% to 0.9%. Other groups e.g. Imperial, suggest reinfections rates could be as high as 10%. Clinical staff working in a covid rich environment are also more likely to be reinfected. ......It is time you apologised for calling me a liar and show respect to those putting their lives at risk whilst trying to save the lives of others.

Questioning assertions made about Covid isn't showing disrespect, it's just trying to make sense of this situation, your claim may be true but then it may not, that doesn't make you a "liar" just not fully aware of how this is playing out.

"Clinical staff working in a covid rich environment are also more likely to be reinfected." Are they? or are they more likely to have developed immunity to it? Your claim isn't (yet) scientifically proven so questioning it is perfectly fair. BTW saying that these reinfections have been confirmed by a PCR test means nothing, the PCR could be picking up fragments of the first infection, it is not reliable enough. I know it's been hard for medical staff throughout this and it's understandable if you are a bit oversensitive to any criticism/questioning but no one on here it being deliberately disrespectful we just want to try to understand what's going on.