When will this shit end?

[Homer]

7 hours ago, mattiloy said:

Hahaha true to form, that self serving clown gagging to get his dose before the oldies have their second one.

I do agree for what its worth but where Tony Blair is concerned its always worth asking why he pops his gross, hideous, war criminal head above the parapet When he does. The answer is always self interest. I wonder if he’s ever been formally diagnosed a narcissist or a sociopath because thats all he is. 

I'm sorry if you assume that I eat red meat and don't necessarily think money or Tony Blair are a bad thing, but if there isn't room here for people who stand against everything you believe in, then what sort of a hippy free-for-all is this?

[Fuzzy Afro]

3 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Why have only 42% of Trusts received the vaccine?

If it's down to administration, this is pathetic.

Literally what could be more pressing? Bring in the army, whatever it takes

Also hearing that a lot of the vaccines aren’t actually being given to frontline workers, but instead are being booked up by NHS bosses who are working from home 

[FestivalJamie]

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Not saying it's his idea but he, rightly or wrongly, has a bigger platform to be heard than almost anyone, so it is relevant that he puts this forward.

I disagree though. The vaccine rollout is going really well for the UK so far and that is one of the things we are doing well along with testing at the moment. On the scientific side of things we are doing very well.

On the political side it’s a shambles. Constant u turns, messing with the public’s mental health. The last thing I would want is something put forward by a politician rather than the vaccine manufacturers themselves to be approved and for us to have a monumental mess up.

[FestivalJamie]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

Also hearing that a lot of the vaccines aren’t actually being given to frontline workers, but instead are being booked up by NHS bosses who are working from home 

My aunt is an NHS worker and she only got a vaccine because it was a spare one left over...

[xxialac]

1 minute ago, FestivalJamie said:

I disagree though. The vaccine rollout is going really well for the UK so far and that is one of the things we are doing well along with testing at the moment. On the scientific side of things we are doing very well.

On the political side it’s a shambles. Constant u turns, messing with the public’s mental health. The last thing I would want is something put forward by a politician rather than the vaccine manufacturers themselves to be approved and for us to have a monumental mess up.

I hear you but do think there's a distinction to be made between a current politican (massive vested interests with every word they utter) and a former politician, especially one who runs a non party political foundation.

[Guest]

Keir Starmer speaking to the Samaritans yesterday. Please remember if you need help or to talk then to reach out. 

 

Edited December 23, 2020 by Ozanne

[mike46]

I haven’t been following the rollout strategy so not sure if this is a recent amendment ( @Copperface seems a lot more clued up than most on this) but phase 1 seems to now be the over 65s, I don’t remember seeing the “those aged 50-64 will be offered it later” before? Does that mean their strategy has changed slightly or is it just poorly worded? Assuming that significantly reduces the phase 1 rollout if it is an update?

 

from https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-why-you-are-being-asked-to-wait/why-you-have-to-wait-for-your-covid-19-vaccine?priority-taxon=774cee22-d896-44c1-a611-e3109cce8eae

[xxialac]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Keir Starmer speaking to the Samaritans yesterday. Please remember if you need help or to talk then to reach out. 

 

You can't fake genuine.

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, mike46 said:

I haven’t been following the rollout strategy so not sure if this is a recent amendment ( @Copperface seems a lot more clued up than most on this) but phase 1 seems to now be the over 65s, I don’t remember seeing the “those aged 50-64 will be offered it later” before? Does that mean their strategy has changed slightly or is it just poorly worded? Assuming that significantly reduces the phase 1 rollout if it is an update?

 

from https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-why-you-are-being-asked-to-wait/why-you-have-to-wait-for-your-covid-19-vaccine?priority-taxon=774cee22-d896-44c1-a611-e3109cce8eae

it's always gone down by age, so I don't think that's any change just a different way of presenting it.

[incident]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

Also hearing that a lot of the vaccines aren’t actually being given to frontline workers, but instead are being booked up by NHS bosses who are working from home 

While I don't doubt that some of that is going on, "a lot" is subjective and probably unrealistic - most importantly, there aren't enough "NHS bosses who are working from home" left to have meaningful impact on the numbers.

NHS England has approximately 34,000 people in management roles (compared to over a million clinical and support staff), and quite a few of those management types have been temporarily dragged into roles supporting the front line anyway including the partner of a friend of mine (she's got an underlying issue and so is shitting herself).

Ultimately the main reason not everyone has been offered it yet is that there's still a lot more people need it than vaccine doses available.

[st dan]

7 minutes ago, xxialac said:

You can't fake genuine.

Boris had a good try here ... 

 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, xxialac said:

You can't fake genuine.

I truly believe Keir Starmer is a good man and wants what’s best for people. I know some don’t trust him and that’s fair enough but for me I believe he wants good in the world. He comes across as genuine for me in those videos. 

[mike46]

6 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

it's always gone down by age, so I don't think that's any change just a different way of presenting it.

Yeah I’m probably just reading too much into it, just seems the way they’ve worded it makes it less urgent for under 65s and now no longer part of their phase 1 rollout  - which would make their goal of vaccinating what they now deem vulnerable by Easter easier to reach 

[zahidf]

PARTY

[mattiloy]

29 minutes ago, Homer said:

I'm sorry if you assume that I eat red meat and don't necessarily think money or Tony Blair are a bad thing, but if there isn't room here for people who stand against everything you believe in, then what sort of a hippy free-for-all is this?

[stuartbert two hats]

1 hour ago, Mr.Tease said:

Have they decided what the dosage of the Oxford vaccine will be yet? Are they going to go for the 2 full doses or risk the 1/2 plus full one (which might be more effective but has a smaller sample size)?

No, and I suspect that's why it's not been approved already.

[steviewevie]

38 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

I disagree though. The vaccine rollout is going really well for the UK so far and that is one of the things we are doing well along with testing at the moment. On the scientific side of things we are doing very well.

On the political side it’s a shambles. Constant u turns, messing with the public’s mental health. The last thing I would want is something put forward by a politician rather than the vaccine manufacturers themselves to be approved and for us to have a monumental mess up.

I just think there is a sense of panic with the race against this more infectious variant of the virus. I'm not sure what the best answer is, but think we need to trust the scientific consensus.

[Sasperella]

44 minutes ago, Homer said:

I'm sorry if you assume that I eat red meat and don't necessarily think money or Tony Blair are a bad thing, but if there isn't room here for people who stand against everything you believe in, then what sort of a hippy free-for-all is this?

I've been wondering how to spend all the days I have off between now and the 5th with absolutely naff all to do. This helps answer my question. 

And by that I mean re-watching Peep Show in its entirety. Not zooming into Rainbow Rhythms.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

My partners mum works in the office at a Dr's. 

According to her, they get one vaccine per day allocated to their surgery and they call down their list of people meeting the current criteria for the vaccine. If come the end of the day the vaccine is still left it's being offered up to staff in the surgery as it's better than wasting a vaccine. 

The actual vaccine is being administered at some sort of hub surgery.

[steviewevie]

30 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I truly believe Keir Starmer is a good man and wants what’s best for people. I know some don’t trust him and that’s fair enough but for me I believe he wants good in the world. He comes across as genuine for me in those videos. 

I think you're right, just wish he wasn't so dull.

[parsonjack]

15 hours ago, Ozanne said:

That is a positive! Did you know the gov website now shows positivity rate per region?

I didn't......where is that shown?

[zahidf]

Also interesting that Jendrick is non commit all about changing to a one dose per person strategy 

[xxialac]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I think you're right, just wish he wasn't so dull.

What a shit, vapid society we are that prefers incompetent and charismatic over competent and dull in our leaders (and whilst he's no Obama, actually I don't think he's dull nor Johnson particularly charismatic).

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, parsonjack said:

I didn't......where is that shown?

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
 

Click at the top of that page where it says United Kingdom then go to region and pick your region. Then in the first section ‘Weekly number of people receiving a PCR test and positivity’ click on the data tab. 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, xxialac said:

What a shit, vapid society we are that prefers incompetent and charismatic over competent and dull in our leaders (and whilst he's no Obama, actually I don't think he's dull nor Johnson particularly charismatic).

it's not society that thinks he's dull, just me.