When will this shit end?

[Crazyfool01]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Some Tory MPs have set up a Northern Research Group.

I think we need a central belt research group ... to find out where the hell it is  

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Yeah, back in the spring most experts were saying that would be 12 to 18 months before get a vaccine...it is only the various vaccine research groups who have got everyone excited that we could get a vaccine this year...and then governments have gone along with this.

WHO 'have gone along with it' too.

My confidence might be misplaced but I reckon we should see at least one of the prime candidates approved (or binned as bad, although hopefully not) in the first few weeks of 2021 at latest.

[SwedgeAntilles]

10 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Yup, and people will get more imaginative about how they break the rules.

For example, loads of parties are being broken up in people's houses - so people will try to find more isolated locations so the party is less likely to get broken up.

 

A similar thing has been happening over here throughout the summer. All the clubs have been closed so there's been a huge increase in outside illegal (or on occasion legal) raves. But in the last couple of weeks the temperature has been dropping considerably and there's been increasing stories in the news about the organisers of these events finding alternative indoor locations, which are a H&S nightmare. Not just from a Covid-19 infection point of view, but also just in general. There was one broken up a few weeks back in a disused underground railway tunnel. Madness.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

WHO 'have gone along with it' too.

My confidence might be misplaced but I reckon we should see at least one of the prime candidates approved (or binned as bad, although hopefully not) in the first few weeks of 2021 at latest.

I think so too...so many being worked on, at least one of them has to come up with the goods...

[Fuzzy Afro]

Essex asking to go into tier 2 which seems odd when there are very few cases 

[MEGABOWL]

1 hour ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

I know a vaccine isn't guaranteed at all, but there are reasons to be hopeful. So many now seem to have just decided it's not happening when the trials are still ongoing and we've not been told otherwise.

Trust me, I get the mental health issues and neither me or my loved ones are immune to that too. I honestly don't get what the other options are at this stage, though. Just let it rip through the population and see thousands turned away from hospital, both for Covid and other illnesses? Do people want that?

Government is completely responsible for mishandling this from day one, though. I hope people don't forget that. They dicked around over summer and wasted money on a tracing system that is not fit for purpose. 

I don’t even think it’s necessarily about what people want, it’s about what’s going to happen. Way I see it at some point in a few months Compliance will drop below the point where the current Regs are effective. At that point either A) it all collapses and rips through the population *or* we move to a Lighter Touch Consistent system, try and protect the vulnerable best we can while allowing more people to live normally. Shift the balance. It’ll be very hard but B is better than A. I also think Compliance during the Winter would be much higher if there was light at the end of the tunnel. Not enough attention is being paid to Mental Health and Compliance here because, well, they’re utterly hopeless. But look at France reducing the Quarantine period to 7 days because that’s when people are most infectious. I bet Compliance would go up greatly if that happened. It’s Human Nature (at least where the British are concerned).

[Ozanne]

12 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

WHO 'have gone along with it' too.

My confidence might be misplaced but I reckon we should see at least one of the prime candidates approved (or binned as bad, although hopefully not) in the first few weeks of 2021 at latest.

Who have gone along with it? 😜

[DeanoL]

7 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

I don’t even think it’s necessarily about what people want, it’s about what’s going to happen. Way I see it at some point in a few months Compliance will drop below the point where the current Regs are effective. At that point either A) it all collapses and rips through the population *or* we move to a Lighter Touch Consistent system, try and protect the vulnerable best we can while allowing more people to live normally. Shift the balance. It’ll be very hard but B is better than A. I also think Compliance during the Winter would be much higher if there was light at the end of the tunnel. Not enough attention is being paid to Mental Health and Compliance here because, well, they’re utterly hopeless. But look at France reducing the Quarantine period to 7 days because that’s when people are most infectious. I bet Compliance would go up greatly if that happened. It’s Human Nature (at least where the British are concerned).

There's also the fact that compliance will go back up the minute people are told "the hospitals are full, if you get ill or hurt don't come". We might have to get to that point before people start paying attention again, but it's not a one-way slide into disobedience.

[Ozanne]

Just now, DeanoL said:

There's also the fact that compliance will go back up the minute people are told "the hospitals are full, if you get ill or hurt don't come". We might have to get to that point before people start paying attention again, but it's not a one-way slide into disobedience.

I think generally the majority of people are complying and will continue to do so; it’s just that the actions taken by Government every step of the way have been poor, slow or out and out wrong. 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

There's also the fact that compliance will go back up the minute people are told "the hospitals are full, if you get ill or hurt don't come". We might have to get to that point before people start paying attention again, but it's not a one-way slide into disobedience.

and then people will say it's a disgrace that can't go to hospital for whatever because full of covid patients.

[jannybruck]

10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I think generally the majority of people are complying and will continue to do so; it’s just that the actions taken by Government every step of the way have been poor, slow or out and out wrong. 

Also the fact that a lot of people just aren't tuned into news or updates in the way a lot of people on this forum or elsewhere on social media might be. It's very easy to assume everyone engages in the news cycle in the way a lot of us do but it's just not true. The government assuming that leaking to the press and a little press conference are enough to let the entire population know about new restrictions is a cop out – they've dropped the ball on public health advertising and messaging right through this.

[squirrelarmy]

1 minute ago, jannybruck said:

Also the fact that a lot of people just aren't tuned into news or updates in the way a lot of people on this forum or elsewhere on social media might be. It's very easy to assume everyone engages in the news cycle in the way a lot of us do but it's just not true. The government assuming that leaking to the press and a little press conference are enough to let the entire population know about new restrictions is a cop out – they've dropped the ball on public health advertising and messaging right through this.

I know what’s going on because I’ve been looking for the information. 
 

I don’t watch TV so won’t see any news updates there. I’ve had notifications from news services on my phone because I subscribe to them. There’s been no alerts especially on a local level informing me on what’s happening. 
 

There will be a surprising amount of people who aren’t informed about what is going on. 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

There’s 2 areas mentally and socially. I think if you can prepare yourself mentally for it that’s part of the battle, so for me I knew this was coming as the virus was never going to go away so always had in my mind that we could go back into lockdown through the winter. I try to look at the positives in that which whilst hard does help, ie no going out means saving money, invest on something I’d like at home etc. 

Then the other part as I said is about discussing it with loved ones close to you saying how you are feeling, being honest and then trying to put together what you would do with these people if the various different stages of lockdown came. So if pubs shut, how would we socialise etc. It’s not idea I know (and there’s of course loads of other things) but there are ways we can help ourselves and others close to us.

Maybe it would help you if you kept a list everyday for 2 weeks of everything positive or good that’s happened to you? You might be surprised how much positive is happening!

Equally don’t be afraid to speak to someone professional too, it sounds like you are struggling so a counsellor of some kind might be ideal for you as we go through the winter.

There are plenty of things to do to prepare yourself for this winter and there’s still time now. I don’t mean to be all preachy at all but I genuinely think if people can prepare in advance it would help for the coming weeks and months. 

I'm not struggling, in angry. I'm a home worker irrespective of Covid building and maintaining relationships and communicating via things like MS Teams isn't new. The flip side of that is that you really value the interactions you do get with people face to face in person. 

I don't need to keep a list about positive things happening good things happen every day - I have a job I love, for a world leader in what it does - and I make a difference every day. 

You work to live, not live to work - that balance has been changed indefinitely. All the things people do to unwind, relax and have some escapism are being removed piece by piece. 

[efcfanwirral]

3 minutes ago, jannybruck said:

Also the fact that a lot of people just aren't tuned into news or updates in the way a lot of people on this forum or elsewhere on social media might be. It's very easy to assume everyone engages in the news cycle in the way a lot of us do but it's just not true. The government assuming that leaking to the press and a little press conference are enough to let the entire population know about new restrictions is a cop out – they've dropped the ball on public health advertising and messaging right through this.

This is the thing- we're all proactively looking for the real information, a lot of people are just seeing headlines about rules, raging and then saying "fuck them I'll do what I want nobody's stopping me seeing me matezz" and then just doing it. 

So the rest of us suffer for their stupidity by not being able to see family for the next half a year or longer 

[MEGABOWL]

16 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I think generally the majority of people are complying and will continue to do so; it’s just that the actions taken by Government every step of the way have been poor, slow or out and out wrong. 

Not my experience anymore TBH. And that gradual drop is something that will accelerate as more people struggle Mentally and/or lose their jobs. The Government have blown it spectacularly and now we have a stark choice ahead of us with increasingly limited options.

[Fuzzy Afro]

4 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

This is the thing- we're all proactively looking for the real information, a lot of people are just seeing headlines about rules, raging and then saying "fuck them I'll do what I want nobody's stopping me seeing me matezz" and then just doing it. 

So the rest of us suffer for their stupidity by not being able to see family for the next half a year or longer 

I don’t think “stupidity” is the appropriate word for someone breaking the rules btw. Most do it fully aware that they might catch covid and are happy to take that risk. It’s a calculated risk. Reckless perhaps rather than stupid. 

[efcfanwirral]

4 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I don’t think “stupidity” is the appropriate word for someone breaking the rules btw. Most do it fully aware that they might catch covid and are happy to take that risk. It’s a calculated risk. Reckless perhaps rather than stupid. 

I think you're giving people too much credit - to a huge amount in the north it's not calculated risk at all, it's all fake to them

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

Just now, MEGABOWL said:

Not my experience anymore TBH. And that gradual drop is something that will accelerate as more people struggle Mentally and/or lose their jobs. The Government have blown it spectacularly and now we have a stark choice ahead of us with increasingly limited options.

People were by and large following the rules around here masks, rule of 6 etc.. etc.. around here. 

Yesterday's announcement of stage 2 has seen a lot of people who were previously compliant saying fuck this enough is enough - these aren't youngsters, these are people with families, children at university, businesses the full cross section of society. Some go as far as suggesting we would be better off in Tier 3 to get access to the additional support. 

It's seen as an attack on the Northern labour heartlands - if (when) brexit goes to shit it might get messy round here (even though they voted for it)

At least if the skies stay like they have been for the past week or so there won't be riots... Yet 

 

[Ozanne]

14 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

I'm not struggling, in angry. I'm a home worker irrespective of Covid building and maintaining relationships and communicating via things like MS Teams isn't new. The flip side of that is that you really value the interactions you do get with people face to face in person. 

I don't need to keep a list about positive things happening good things happen every day - I have a job I love, for a world leader in what it does - and I make a difference every day. 

You work to live, not live to work - that balance has been changed indefinitely. All the things people do to unwind, relax and have some escapism are being removed piece by piece. 

To be honest mate it doesn’t seem like you aren’t struggling, but that’s not my place to comment on. You asked what you could do and I gave some suggestions on things that might be able to help. I apologise if that’s made you angrier that wasn’t my intention. I really hope you can find something that works for you and helps you through the months ahead.

 

I do think that whilst some of the things we used to do have temporarily been taken away from us there’s plenty of enjoyment to find from life. Whether that’s in the home or out in nature. There is still things we can do to bring enjoyment, it’s about finding those new things that can bring fulfilment and some happiness at this time. I do appreciate though it might be tougher depending on people’s current mental health though. I know as I’ve been there myself a few years ago. 

Edited October 13, 2020 by Ozanne

[squirrelarmy]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I think you're giving people too much credit - to a huge amount in the north it's not calculated risk at all, it's all fake to them

Definitely agree with this. You just have to look at the comments on the local news feed services on FB. 
 

So many people think the whole thing is just a con to take away their livelihoods. 
 

Don’t underestimate how stupid people are. 

[st dan]

15 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

This is the thing- we're all proactively looking for the real information, a lot of people are just seeing headlines about rules, raging and then saying "fuck them I'll do what I want nobody's stopping me seeing me matezz" and then just doing it. 

So the rest of us suffer for their stupidity by not being able to see family for the next half a year or longer 

I think what you’ll see happening this time, is those that were very strict in the first lockdown and didn’t break any of the restrictions (which seemed to be a large majority) will start to have either of the following attitudes:

‘Oh I’m not doing that again, I scarified a lot last time and it didn’t get us anywhere’ (in terms of beating the virus) and/or;

‘Nobody else is sticking to it so why should I bother?’

Which is why they really need to allow some escape for people e.g. meeting with parents at home should be allowed, as long as you are in the same ‘bubble’ and not mixing with lots of different people. If they had something like that, I think you’d get a lot more people abiding. 

Edited October 13, 2020 by st dan

[DeanoL]

11 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

You work to live, not live to work - that balance has been changed indefinitely. All the things people do to unwind, relax and have some escapism are being removed piece by piece. 

 I don't think that's fair. Maybe everything you do to unwind is gone under lockdown but plenty of things lots of us do for escapism, be it books, games, movies, music and so on still exist. It's just the out of home more social ones that have gone away. 

5 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I don’t think “stupidity” is the appropriate word for someone breaking the rules btw. Most do it fully aware that they might catch covid and are happy to take that risk. It’s a calculated risk. Reckless perhaps rather than stupid. 

"Stupid" might be too generous to be honest. It's not just the risk they catch COVID, it's the risk they give COVID to someone else. That's when it stops being a personal, calculated risk.

[onthebeach]

I was wondering why we hadn’t had a further huge surge in cases in Leicester since the University students returned as has happened in other cities. However, it looks like Leicester University has handled it so much better - lessons to be learnt?

https://le.ac.uk/coronavirus/data-statistics

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, DeanoL said:

 I don't think that's fair. Maybe everything you do to unwind is gone under lockdown but plenty of things lots of us do for escapism, be it books, games, movies, music and so on still exist. It's just the out of home more social ones that have gone away. 

Yeah I agree. There are still ways to find enjoyment at the moment, there’s plenty of stories, music or various bits of culture we can still enjoy! 

[Fuzzy Afro]

3 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

 I don't think that's fair. Maybe everything you do to unwind is gone under lockdown but plenty of things lots of us do for escapism, be it books, games, movies, music and so on still exist. It's just the out of home more social ones that have gone away. 

"Stupid" might be too generous to be honest. It's not just the risk they catch COVID, it's the risk they give COVID to someone else. That's when it stops being a personal, calculated risk.

Yeah that’s why it’s reckless. A lot of people are pretty happy to catch it and pass it on to vulnerable folk.