2021 Headliners

[Matt42]

3 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

How about the view that once a man has completed his sentence and paid his debt to society he is free to seek a living however he can?

It’s a sticky moral area when it comes to figures in the public eye, but were he a plumber would you stop him from installing toilets when he had finished his sentence?

The idea of rehabilitation and return to society to live a normal life is a core tenant of the justice system.

Does that also count the guy from lost prophets? Or just a popular indie band?

Edited July 7, 2020 by Matt42

[Gilgamesh69]

Pop punk fans also deserve to be ridiculed lol

 

 

[Hugh Jass]

Just now, Matt42 said:

Yeah we should let that guy from lost prophets come back and make music. He raped children and he said he was sorry... he’s repaid his debt so let’s just have him back.

You are making yourself look ridiculous now.

[Matt42]

Just now, Hugh Jass said:

You are making yourself look ridiculous now.

But what if the guy from lost prophets came out of jail and served his time? By your logic he should be allowed to come back and make music.

Beating a woman is unforgivable, to me. He shouldn’t be allowed to occupy any sort of public platform. Plumbers aren’t considered role models in popular culture so it’s a stupid analogy. 

[Jcatley]

Yes, ‘lad culture’ is something that needs to be stamped out in its current form. But let’s not vilify the bands/fans for making or listening to music they have a passion for (no matter if you think it’s shit or not) just because a few idiots also like the same music.

[Homer]

4 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

But what if the guy from lost prophets came out of jail and served his time? By your logic he should be allowed to come back and make music.

Beating a woman is unforgivable, to me. He shouldn’t be allowed to occupy any sort of public platform. Plumbers aren’t considered role models in popular culture so it’s a stupid analogy. 

I have no love for Kasabian whatsoever (or beating women, it goes without saying); but if being a huge alcoholic was really a big factor in all this and he deals with that and does all the other things right, I can sort of see how he might be able to plot a course through all this (rightly or wrongly).

The fact that he said the video was horrible and was apparently crying in court might suggest that he's got something in him.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Homer

[Matt42]

3 minutes ago, Jcatley said:

Yes, ‘lad culture’ is something that needs to be stamped out in its current form. But let’s not vilify the bands/fans for making or listening to music they have a passion for (no matter if you think it’s shit or not) just because a few idiots also like the same music.

This just sounds like not all men to me. Not all cops are bad. Not all white people  ya da ya da ya da. 

There is a problem in indie culture. Deal with it.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Matt42

[nikkic]

So Foals 2022 yeah? 

[Wellyboot]

Just now, nikkic said:

So Foals 2022 yeah? 

Glad we're back on track.

The 1975 2021, Foals 2022

But which is bigger?

[SwedgeAntilles]

Amazing how quickly your language has shifted from 'lad' to just plain 'indie' culture.

[fraybentos1]

26 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Anyone that praises bands like Kasabian, Catfish and the Misogynistmen, and Courteeners DESERVE to be mocked and ridiculed

Usual snobbery from users on this forum.

[Matt42]

This is honestly why nothing ever changes

[Andre91]

Separate the art from the artist. 

[Hugh Jass]

4 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

But what if the guy from lost prophets came out of jail and served his time? By your logic he should be allowed to come back and make music.

Beating a woman is unforgivable, to me. He shouldn’t be allowed to occupy any sort of public platform. Plumbers aren’t considered role models in popular culture so it’s a stupid analogy. 

When Lost Prophets man gets out of prison then yes, by all means he is legally entitled to make music and attempt to distribute and play it publicly. Of course it’s highly unlikely that he would be able to find a label willing to sign him, or venues willing to book him or the general public prepared to even countenance listening to anything he had to say, but he’s legally free to try. You cannot stop him.

The plumber analogy is apt. It doesn’t matter if Tom Meighan unblocks toilets or sings songs, when he’s served his sentence he is free to pursue a living however he sees fit. His band do not have to take him back and the public don’t have to listen to his stuff, there’s no guarantee he’s walk out and start having #1 albums again.

It’s exhausting talking to you sometimes Matt, you see the world in such simplistic terms. You’re like a teenager who has done one term at uni and suddenly knows everything about the world.

[fatyeti24]

9 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

But what if the guy from lost prophets came out of jail and served his time? By your logic he should be allowed to come back and make music.

Beating a woman is unforgivable, to me. He shouldn’t be allowed to occupy any sort of public platform. Plumbers aren’t considered role models in popular culture so it’s a stupid analogy. 

Sex offenders, even the very worst kind, get released eventually.  Then they go back into society and are allowed to make a living within the boundaries of whatever conditions they are released under - which may be non.  They walk among us every day.

[Jcatley]

3 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

This just sounds like not all men to me. Not all cops are bad. Not all white people  ya da ya da ya da. 

There is a problem in indie culture. Deal with it.

I clearly just said that there is a problem in indie culture and that it needs to be stamped out. But there’s probably a better way of doing it than your radical solution of vilifying anyone who’s ever liked an indie band. 

[Andre91]

Will this really derail him in such a way that he is eternally blacklisted? John Lennon is remembered fondly by most and he beat the shit out of several women. 

[Quark]

19 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Does that also count the guy from lost prophets? Or just a popular indie band?

Without diminishing the severity of what Tom has admitted to or the importance of confronting it, are you seriously comparing those two things? I mean, that was your go to for this argument?

[Quark]

2 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

Will this really derail him in such a way that he is eternally blacklisted? John Lennon is remembered fondly by most and he beat the shit out of several women. 

No.  It's a crime, he deserves punishment, and he needs to sort himself out so he never does it again, and he does not deserve the sympathy in this case at all, but it won't blacklist him for ever.  Whether Kasabian have him back is another matter altogether. Whether he can produce anything worth buying on his own is another question.

[Homer]

I just actually got a downvote (!!!) for vaguely defending a performer I really, really dislike. That is, like sooooo 2020.

[Matt42]

Horrendous. I’m off. This is why nothing ever changes because people never want to get to the roots of any issues or identify ways in which culture can be better. It’s not seeing things in simplistic terms it’s actually trying to have a proactive approach to these problems.

The fans want him to come back to music because they’l miss the tunes, they don’t care about what he’s done. That’s the simplistic and shallow view.

9 minutes ago, Jcatley said:

IBut there’s probably a better way of doing it than your radical solution of vilifying anyone who’s ever liked an indie band. 

And this is why things will never change. People have too much pride. It’s not vilifying, it’s opening conversations about how cultures can enable and develop these kind of behaviours. All I’m asking is for there to be more open discussions about how we can unknowingly contribute towards this culture. Lose some fucking pride and maybe step back and admit that we can all do better. Jesus Christ.

 

4 minutes ago, Quark said:

Without diminishing the severity of what Tom has admitted to or the importance of confronting it, are you seriously comparing those two things? I mean, that was your go to for this argument?

Do you not think that abusing a woman and abusing a child are entirely dissimilar? Both will be left with scars and emotional damage for the rest of their life.

I don’t see these things on a ladder of bad to most bad, they are both awful things to do and both don’t get wiped away with a “sorry” and 200 hours of community service.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Matt42

[Jcatley]

It may be surprising for some, but one can like and have enjoyed the music of Kasabian and other indie bands and then also be disgusted to hear a man has assaulted his (at the time) fiancée 

[dentalplan]

5 minutes ago, Jcatley said:

I clearly just said that there is a problem in indie culture and that it needs to be stamped out.

I don’t understand what the type of music has to do with the actions though. It seems like a shoehorned attempt to discredit music styles that somebody doesn’t particularly like. Just a weird thing to hang on to.

[Mouseboy11]

7 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

Will this really derail him in such a way that he is eternally blacklisted? John Lennon is remembered fondly by most and he beat the shit out of several women. 

Paul McCartney has been accused of domestic abuse by his ex-wife, he was set to headline this year.

[Quark]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

Do you not think that abusing a woman and abusing a child are entirely dissimilar? Both will be left with scars and emotional damage for the rest of their life.

I don’t see these things on a ladder of bad to most bad, they are both awful things to do and both don’t get wiped away with a “sorry” and 200 hours of community service.

No, they're completely different. And if you don't have a scale or ladder to view things like this then every crime would deserve the same punishment. Which is insane.