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[bennyhana22]

You're allowed to like and dislike whatever you want (except for the Foo Fighters).

However, if you're just going to do a Partridge Shrug at the huge number of acts announced over the last few days, I'm allowed to do a Partridge Shrug at your Partridge Shrug ..

Now, CG:

(1) your Partridge Shrug gif is brilliant.

(2) I think you might be overestimating the number of people for whom areas like Silver Hayes hold specific interest. You might also be assuming that, because people are regulars on the forum, they have very diverse tastes. My feeling (no evidence, but a hunch based on my experience with festivals) is that the large majority of punters do not care hugely about the 'dance' areas at festivals. They see them as a nice distraction and a bit of a drunken dance to liven up staying up all night when they've watched music in the daytime. Most of that music will be 'mainstream' stuff that they knew/knew about before coming. Glastonbury has an extraordinary array of 'dance' type genres, but it ain't Global Gathering or Creamfields - i.e. your average punter doesn't come for that music.

I feel increasingly that this forum, and those like it, is non-representattive of your average festival goer, as festival 'culture' becomes more and more about 'having beento a festival this summer', rather than being someone like me (us?) who is invested in the philosophy of that side of our personalities and lives. I've thought for many years that being at a festival is where I feel most at home, that my feeling of belonging is stongest there. For your average punter, its a brilliantly fun weekend on the razzle, before being largely forgotten about until next summer.

Anyway, I think you'll understand what I'm trying to say.

I want the whole line-up so I can try to work out where I'd probably like to be for each of my five nights, hitting up the DJs and producers that look likely to create a brilliant time for me, guided hugely by the others on here...see the Dance/Electronica thread.

Ben

[JayBalls]

I can't get excited about the dump of Silver Hayes acts because there's no context. I don't know when or where they'll be playing or who they'll be playing at the same time as. Sure, J.E.S.u.S could be good but, I'm not excited about it because for all I know they're playing Sonic (shit) at the same time as Hot Chip (where I'll be no matter who else is on).

I saw someone on Glasto chat on FB post the times for the Wow! stage on the saturday.. Shy Fx into Skepta into DJ EZ looks pretty neat

[Keithy]

You're allowed to like and dislike whatever you want (except for the Foo Fighters).

However, if you're just going to do a Partridge Shrug at the huge number of acts announced over the last few days, I'm allowed to do a Partridge Shrug at your Partridge Shrug ..

Great post. Love a good Partridge reference

[Rosscoe]

I have spent time since each announcement just looking up acts I've never heard of on spotify, and I'm bloody loving it. I'm all for this staggered announcements.

[st dan]

Now, CG:

(1) your Partridge Shrug gif is brilliant.

(2) I think you might be overestimating the number of people for whom areas like Silver Hayes hold specific interest. You might also be assuming that, because people are regulars on the forum, they have very diverse tastes. My feeling (no evidence, but a hunch based on my experience with festivals) is that the large majority of punters do not care hugely about the 'dance' areas at festivals. They see them as a nice distraction and a bit of a drunken dance to liven up staying up all night when they've watched music in the daytime. Most of that music will be 'mainstream' stuff that they knew/knew about before coming. Glastonbury has an extraordinary array of 'dance' type genres, but it ain't Global Gathering or Creamfields - i.e. your average punter doesn't come for that music.

I feel increasingly that this forum, and those like it, is non-representattive of your average festival goer, as festival 'culture' becomes more and more about 'having beento a festival this summer', rather than being someone like me (us?) who is invested in the philosophy of that side of our personalities and lives. I've thought for many years that being at a festival is where I feel most at home, that my feeling of belonging is stongest there. For your average punter, its a brilliantly fun weekend on the razzle, before being largely forgotten about until next summer.

Anyway, I think you'll understand what I'm trying to say.

I want the whole line-up so I can try to work out where I'd probably like to be for each of my five nights, hitting up the DJs and producers that look likely to create a brilliant time for me, guided hugely by the others on here...see the Dance/Electronica thread.

Ben

Wonderful post again Ben.

I'm hoping you get added to the lineup somewhere doing some form of motivational speech.

Edited May 26, 2015 by st dan

[stuartbert two hats]

Now, CG:

(1) your Partridge Shrug gif is brilliant.

(2) I think you might be overestimating the number of people for whom areas like Silver Hayes hold specific interest. You might also be assuming that, because people are regulars on the forum, they have very diverse tastes. My feeling (no evidence, but a hunch based on my experience with festivals) is that the large majority of punters do not care hugely about the 'dance' areas at festivals. They see them as a nice distraction and a bit of a drunken dance to liven up staying up all night when they've watched music in the daytime. Most of that music will be 'mainstream' stuff that they knew/knew about before coming. Glastonbury has an extraordinary array of 'dance' type genres, but it ain't Global Gathering or Creamfields - i.e. your average punter doesn't come for that music.

I feel increasingly that this forum, and those like it, is non-representattive of your average festival goer, as festival 'culture' becomes more and more about 'having beento a festival this summer', rather than being someone like me (us?) who is invested in the philosophy of that side of our personalities and lives. I've thought for many years that being at a festival is where I feel most at home, that my feeling of belonging is stongest there. For your average punter, its a brilliantly fun weekend on the razzle, before being largely forgotten about until next summer.

Anyway, I think you'll understand what I'm trying to say.

I want the whole line-up so I can try to work out where I'd probably like to be for each of my five nights, hitting up the DJs and producers that look likely to create a brilliant time for me, guided hugely by the others on here...see the Dance/Electronica thread.

Ben

I think all of that is entirely true. But by dropping the line-up for each of the min festivals, perhaps Glastonbury can attract more of the types that go to Global Gathering or Creamfields.

[CaledonianGonzo]

(2) I think you might be overestimating the number of people for whom areas like Silver Hayes hold specific interest. You might also be assuming that, because people are regulars on the forum, they have very diverse tastes. My feeling (no evidence, but a hunch based on my experience with festivals) is that the large majority of punters do not care hugely about the 'dance' areas at festivals. They see them as a nice distraction and a bit of a drunken dance to liven up staying up all night when they've watched music in the daytime. Most of that music will be 'mainstream' stuff that they knew/knew about before coming. Glastonbury has an extraordinary array of 'dance' type genres, but it ain't Global Gathering or Creamfields - i.e. your average punter doesn't come for that music.

I want the whole line-up so I can try to work out where I'd probably like to be for each of my five nights, hitting up the DJs and producers that look likely to create a brilliant time for me, guided hugely by the others on here...see the Dance/Electronica thread.

My issue, if I have one, is of a whole plethora of intriguing diversity just being boiled down to 'some DJs'.

There are hip hop acts, carnival soundsystems, Trinidadian Soca artists, Palestian Dabke groups, spoken word poets, punk bands, folk like Tricky, grime MCs, reggae bands, folk singers and a myriad of other things all being dismissed out of hand.

There also seems to be a bit of cognitive dissonance between "I need the line up to discover new stuff" but "I don't want to listen to the new stuff announced by Silver Hayes because I haven't heard of any of it and anyway none of it is my sort of thing".

[dentalplan]

Given the fact that I personally haven't heard of 90% of those announced on there .. And the ones I have heard of I have no desire to watch .. I'm pretty much interested in none of it. I've seen a few acts there over the years, but I'm not a fan of the area in the slightest (a lot of the crowd there, the stages, the sound etc). But I know that's fine when I'm there as I can just avoid it. No biggie.

But what I was staying is that as such, I can't get excited by the lineup being released for Silver Hayes when I'm stil awaiting The Park/West Holts/JPT where I tend to spend the majority of my time.

All my own personal opinion of course .. Just saying I'd prefer the whole line up at once. I'm just impatient with the staggering that's all! (Although Avalon was a superb announcement!)

What you've said is why it's happening this way.

[incident]

(2) I think you might be overestimating the number of people for whom areas like Silver Hayes hold specific interest. You might also be assuming that, because people are regulars on the forum, they have very diverse tastes.

You're missing the point somewhat.

Silver Hayes might have specific interest for one set of people.

But then the Avalon Stage is different musically.

And the entertainment in the Kidz Field is entirely different.

And the Theatre + Circus fields are different again.

etc etc.

If someone genuinely can't find anything in the various announcements so far (all of the above, plus a decent chunk of the Pyramid + Other, plus LeftField, plus probably others I've forgotten) or the announcements that are likely to come this week - then I doubt they'll enjoy the festival all that much.

[majormajormajor]

The strategy clearly seems to be about giving more exposure to the various areas.

Whether you like it or not, it's a structured plan... it's not a mess.

I like it and I know others don't.

But if anyone is complaining because all they are worried about is what's on the main 3 or 4 stages, then you get no sympathy really.

You'll still have plenty of time to suss out all the stuff you don't know on those stages between the full release and the festival.

The fact that you don't care what's on the smaller areas is no reason for them not to get their time in the spotlight

to be honest, i think it's only really giving more exposure to the fanatics on this forum...

[Harry3]

I saw someone on Glasto chat on FB post the times for the Wow! stage on the saturday.. Shy Fx into Skepta into DJ EZ looks pretty neat

See.. I looked at the poster again last night and I dont think its legit...

Look at the times... thats the first time iv seen such an illogical poster... and the fact Secondcitys name is spelt wrong...

[stocky3000]

to be honest, i think it's only really giving more exposure to the fanatics on this forum...

I would have to agree

I am the keenest glasto-er amongst my friends and on our glasto group the lineup gets posted and its gets about 4 or 5 comments of yea id like to see them or them and that is it.

Not the indepth dissection you would expect on here.

[Jonohorse]

If you click on silver hayes on website they have partially released some

JESuS on the thursday night = RAMMMO

Wait have JESuS been announced as being on the Thursday or are you just saying if they are it will be rammed?

Edited May 26, 2015 by Jonohorse

[Badlands]

There are hip hop acts, carnival soundsystems, Trinidadian Soca artists, Palestian Dabke groups, spoken word poets, punk bands, folk like Tricky, grime MCs, reggae bands, folk singers and a myriad of other things all being dismissed out of hand.

But... but... where are the guitars maaaaan?

[Jakkkkobz]

See.. I looked at the poster again last night and I dont think its legit...

Look at the times... thats the first time iv seen such an illogical poster... and the fact Secondcitys name is spelt wrong...

The original release on Silver Hayes on the website was full of typos and mispellings and the timings are like that for Love Bullets as well

[Rose-Colored Boy]

Dave Grohl apparently promised suprises in an interview on Radio 1 over the weekend.

Entry by parachute, band members other than Dave and Taylor being given any attention, and a Taylor Swift tribute section.

[stocky3000]

Wait have JESuS been announced as being on the Thursday or are you just saying if they are it will be rammed?

They are definitely on WOW and I am pretty sure on here people said they were the Thursday

[CaledonianGonzo]

But... but... where are the guitars maaaaan?

Mate, it's gonna go off big stylee when Catfish and the Bottlemen turn up to show these DJs what a real band sounds like.

[bennyhana22]

Wonderful post again Ben.

I'm hoping you get added to the lineup somewhere doing some form of motivational speech.

*blushes*

(there's probably an emoji for that, but whatever!)

Ben

[mcshed]

(2) I think you might be overestimating the number of people for whom areas like Silver Hayes hold specific interest. You might also be assuming that, because people are regulars on the forum, they have very diverse tastes. My feeling (no evidence, but a hunch based on my experience with festivals) is that the large majority of punters do not care hugely about the 'dance' areas at festivals. They see them as a nice distraction and a bit of a drunken dance to liven up staying up all night when they've watched music in the daytime. Most of that music will be 'mainstream' stuff that they knew/knew about before coming. Glastonbury has an extraordinary array of 'dance' type genres, but it ain't Global Gathering or Creamfields - i.e. your average punter doesn't come for that music.

Given the fact that I personally haven't heard of 90% of those announced on there .. And the ones I have heard of I have no desire to watch .. I'm pretty much interested in none of it. I've seen a few acts there over the years, but I'm not a fan of the area in the slightest (a lot of the crowd there, the stages, the sound etc). But I know that's fine when I'm there as I can just avoid it. No biggie.

But what I was staying is that as such, I can't get excited by the lineup being released for Silver Hayes when I'm stil awaiting The Park/West Holts/JPT where I tend to spend the majority of my time.

It's not just "dance" music in Silver Hayes though

Lots of varied interesting stuff that would be easy to miss in a bigger line-up drop, where I'd be more likely to look at West Holts for much of this kind of thing.

[ghostdancer1]

See.. I looked at the poster again last night and I dont think its legit...

Look at the times... thats the first time iv seen such an illogical poster... and the fact Secondcitys name is spelt wrong...

spelling mistakes aren't uncommon, and several of those acts are definitely playing Wow, along with the Hannah Wants boat party.

http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/areas/silver-hayes/wow/

[bennyhana22]

I think all of that is entirely true. But by dropping the line-up for each of the min festivals, perhaps Glastonbury can attract more of the types that go to Global Gathering or Creamfields.

I'm sure you're right, S2H and, as such, I am equally enamoured of the area/stage by area/stage announcement as I am frustrated by not having it all to piece together.

Patience has never been a virtue of the Type A personality. I'll (try to) consider this therapy...

Ben

[Jonohorse]

They are definitely on WOW and I am pretty sure on here people said they were the Thursday

Ouch, WoW is a tiny tent for them to be on! Still will try to go and see them though!

[SimplyFred]

I think what I probably find saddest about some of this thread (& trust me I'm as excited as anyone to see the full announcement) is how impatient, demanding and quite frankly aggressive some people are getting at not having EVERYTHING NOW.

One of the wonderful things about my first time at Glastonbury last year to me was how far removed it felt from that aspect of society, though of course we get irritated at decent bands clashing - the reality is we might at that precise moment be crafting a wooden bowl instead and it will feel like the most beautiful thing on earth, and the most necessary. Plans and obsessions generally go out the window because there is so much happiness to be had in opening your eyes to what's in front if you instead of closing them and thinking about all the things that we don't have.

There seems to be a lot of contradiction in how some people act on this forum, on one hand they seem to long for that sense of total escapism yet on the other we have people stomping their feet and accusing the festival of somehow not listening to their own individual needs despite the fact that there are already an overwhelming amount of brilliant, talented acts that have already been announced.

Honestly, I know it's difficult when every second we have social media at our fingertips which make the demand for instant gratification stronger, I know it doesn't come from a nasty place and we are all here for our love of that special spirit that can be found in those magical fields, but perhaps some of us could do with taking a step back, trying to bring some of that feeling of enjoying the moment in and realising that the announcement will come when it comes, we are under a month to go now and it's bloody exciting, letting petulance develop in the build-up is totally ridiculous when there's nothing we can do to change their minds, and we all know that regardless we're all going to have a bloody great time!

In saying all that, I still hope it comes today.

Edited May 26, 2015 by SimplyFred

[Keithy]

My issue, if I have one, is of a whole plethora of intriguing diversity just being boiled down to 'some DJs'.

There are hip hop acts, carnival soundsystems, Trinidadian Soca artists, Palestian Dabke groups, spoken word poets, punk bands, folk like Tricky, grime MCs, reggae bands, folk singers and a myriad of other things all being dismissed out of hand.

There also seems to be a bit of cognitive dissonance between "I need the line up to discover new stuff" but "I don't want to listen to the new stuff announced by Silver Hayes because I haven't heard of any of it and anyway none of it is my sort of thing".

Agree entirely. Finding the 'want to discover new stuff' argument completely clashing with the sweeping statements about about 'some DJ's' and not even wanting to listen to any of the Silver Hayes line-up.

For some people 'wanting to discover new stuff' is actually 'wanting to discover new stuff in the genres I like'. Whereas I see it as a chance to dip into other genres that I don't normally listen to and broaden my musical tastes. You still might not like much of it in the end but in all likelihood you'll find at least one act that perks your interest.