Kneecap

[lazyred]

1 hour ago, Colorblindjames said:

I’m impressed the centrist bible is aware of Kneecap. I thought its writers only went to ABBA Voyage. 

They make a good point about Sinead OConnor. She took the career hit because she stood by her convictions. Not like these cynical clowns. 

[Ben7amin_]

Bob Vylan will absolutely say the same kind of stuff that Kneecap have, but cancel culture has not focused its lens on them yet so we are all good to go on there set.

 

 

[siblin]

9 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said:

Just take the latest one. 

I don’t think that’s how trust works, and if  you’re honest with yourself i don’t think you would just take the latest statement as fact from an artist retracted from a position you didn’t like, for example supporting the bombing of Gaza, I think you’d be a bit suspicious.

[smogo]

48 minutes ago, she bangs the drums said:

But then again at Coachella, Prodigy had to sing Switch Up, Change my Pitch Up, so the Yanks were hardly going to like a band say your country is funding genocide....

They've been doing it with that lyric change on their own tours for a while.

[SheffJeff]

19 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Artist solidarity. Would Glastonbury want to risk losing others 57 days out ? 

 

I'm a bit surprised to see Sleaford Mods on there? Vaguely remember some anti Palestine stuff relating to them at some point though I must be remembering things wrong.

[Levitz]

4 minutes ago, lazyred said:

They make a good point about Sinead OConnor. She took the career hit because she stood by her convictions. Not like these cynical clowns. 

They have already had gigs cancelled. They haven't walked their support for Palestine or stand against genocide. Just some of the sillier stuff that is distracting. 

[incident]

3 minutes ago, SheffJeff said:

I'm a bit surprised to see Sleaford Mods on there? Vaguely remember some anti Palestine stuff relating to them at some point though I must be remembering things wrong.

 

The statement is not about, and indeed doesn't mention, Palestine.

[Colorblindjames]

4 minutes ago, siblin said:

I don’t think that’s how trust works, and if  you’re honest with yourself i don’t think you would just take the latest statement as fact from an artist retracted from a position you didn’t like, for example supporting the bombing of Gaza, I think you’d be a bit suspicious.

To be perfectly honest I wouldn’t care if people I don’t respect accepted my statement as truthful or not. 

[Spindles]

Glastonbury should not capitulate to cynical, performative manufactured outrage.  From people as happy to find a target like Kneecap as they are to use that as a stick to beat Glastonbury.

 

If you're on the side of Mark Francois you're on the wrong side of history.

[Levitz]

4 hours ago, Hoodlyfe said:

 

Hamas's "armed resistance against occupation" included attacking a music festival, murdering and kidnapping civilians. 

 

Anyone saying "up Hamas" at a gig is therefore ok with attacking music festivals.

 

The US and UK provide arms to Israel. Does that make Glastonbury a legitimate target? 

 

The solution to violence is never more violence. 

 

Even "joking" about violence is never going to swing public opinion in your favour.

 

Backtracking on your public statements and blaming others for highlighting your own words makes you the joke. 

 

 

Armed resistance often includes terrible acts, including against civilians, no one , least of all me, excuses or condones those crimes. But I've not been subject to apartheid, occupation , indiscriminate and arbitrary detention and killing, and a blockade  for 18 years, while the world did nothing but support Israel, so it's easy to take the high ground. 

[lazyred]

7 minutes ago, Levitz said:

They have already had gigs cancelled. They haven't walked their support for Palestine or stand against genocide. Just some of the sillier stuff that is distracting. 

They apologised to prevent more cancelled gigs.

Is it true they also had a hezbollah flag? If so it was a planned provocation. They want to annoy  people until it hits  their earnings. Also does anyone really pay 27 for their balaclavas

[Hoodlyfe]

1 hour ago, JimiC999 said:

Most of those attacked / killed at The Nova Festival would have been Israeli Military Reservists, wouldn’t they?…….. 

 

Military reservists out of uniform are civilians under International law. There were also a number of teenagers.

That is not to say the other side is not breaking International law either. 

But two wrongs do not make a right.

 

[lazyred]

11 minutes ago, Levitz said:

Armed resistance often includes terrible acts, including against civilians, no one , least of all me, excuses or condones those crimes. But I've not been subject to apartheid, occupation , indiscriminate and arbitrary detention and killing, and a blockade  for 18 years, while the world did nothing but support Israel, so it's easy to take the high ground. 

Just prior to the 18 year blockade Isreal cleared settlements in Gaza and gave them limited autonomy. This could have been a step on the way to peaceful co existence. Instead they elected Hamas who chose to fight instead. 

Edited April 30, 2025 by lazyred

[ironmike8]

14 minutes ago, lazyred said:

They apologised to prevent more cancelled gigs.

Is it true they also had a hezbollah flag? If so it was a planned provocation. They want to annoy  people until it hits  their earnings. Also does anyone really pay 27 for their balaclavas

The only people they apologised to were the Cox and Amess families tbf, and I'd say that was genuine

[Levitz]

9 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Just prior to the 18 year blockade Isreal cleared settlements in Gaza and gave them limited autonomy. This could have been a step on the way to peaceful co existence. Instead they elected Hamas who chose to fight instead. 

Well that's the Israeli/US version......

[clasher]

10 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Just prior to the 18 year blockade Isreal cleared settlements in Gaza and gave them limited autonomy. This could have been a step on the way to peaceful co existence. Instead they elected Hamas who chose to fight instead. 

 

One step for peaceful coexistence could have been not violently displacing some 750.000 people that had nothing to do with the injustice suffered by the Jewish people, but here we are. 

[SouthbanKen]

1 hour ago, siblin said:

Which of their conflicting statements are we supposed to believe?

The one that they haven’t apologised for?

[Mark E. Spliff]

That list of artists supporting Kneecap is a good start.  95% of humanity are cowards who will do anything to keep their heads down with the herd.  Social media and the culture wars have weaponised this - all it takes is an orchestrated bleating of faux outrage, and the majority will back off and many will join the witch-hunt.  We need people to stand up and make their voice heard in order to counteract this.  Unfortunately, Glastonbury has moved from being a brave, principled, independent voice into a cowardly, populist weather-vane, so now more than ever, we need public figures to step up to the plate like this.

 

And for those of you still clutching your pearls about all this: when we used to protest about the pit closures, the poll tax, the CJA, one of the most common chants was 'kill, kill, kill the bill.'  There were similar slogans relating to Thatcher and Willy Whitelaw and so on.  None of us wasted our time navel-gazing about whether these constituted genuine death threats - we knew then, as you all know now, what they really were: rallying cries by angry people who just wanted to make their voice heard over the deafening roar of the right wing media.  Getting involved in this ridiculous navel-gazing, as many on here always do, is doing the right wing media's work for them free of charge.

 

Netanyahu, Trump, The Daily Mail, and all their fellow travellers never give one second's thought about whether restricting food, water and medicine to an entire population might be a little, you know - genocidey.  Why the hell should we start clutching our pearls about an outrageous punk band being outrageous?

[lazyred]

11 minutes ago, clasher said:

 

One step for peaceful coexistence could have been not violently displacing some 750.000 people that had nothing to do with the injustice suffered by the Jewish people, but here we are. 

Yes here we are. Israel is not going away anytime soon. There's no going back so how do they go forward? Should Palestinians fight on or do a deal? Should the IRA have accepted partition or fought on? Now NI has a Sinn Fein first minister and NI has political and economic relations with the Republic separate from the rest of the UK. The Palestinians have a lot to gain from a 2 state deal.

[wro_lap]

59 minutes ago, SheffJeff said:

 

I'm a bit surprised to see Sleaford Mods on there? Vaguely remember some anti Palestine stuff relating to them at some point though I must be remembering things wrong.

As far as I can recall, they sent out a fairly flimsy apology at the time but have since made more of an effort to support causes like WarChild and have shared a lot more stuff encouraging a ceasefire in Palestine. Unless I'm confusing them for someone else.

[Colorblindjames]

7 minutes ago, Mark E. Spliff said:

That list of artists supporting Kneecap is a good start.  95% of humanity are cowards who will do anything to keep their heads down with the herd.  Social media and the culture wars have weaponised this - all it takes is an orchestrated bleating of faux outrage, and the majority will back off and many will join the witch-hunt.  We need people to stand up and make their voice heard in order to counteract this.  Unfortunately, Glastonbury has moved from being a brave, principled, independent voice into a cowardly, populist weather-vane, so now more than ever, we need public figures to step up to the plate like this.

 

And for those of you still clutching your pearls about all this: when we used to protest about the pit closures, the poll tax, the CJA, one of the most common chants was 'kill, kill, kill the bill.'  There were similar slogans relating to Thatcher and Willy Whitelaw and so on.  None of us wasted our time navel-gazing about whether these constituted genuine death threats - we knew then, as you all know now, what they really were: rallying cries by angry people who just wanted to make their voice heard over the deafening roar of the right wing media.  Getting involved in this ridiculous navel-gazing, as many on here always do, is doing the right wing media's work for them free of charge.

 

Netanyahu, Trump, The Daily Mail, and all their fellow travellers never give one second's thought about whether restricting food, water and medicine to an entire population might be a little, you know - genocidey.  Why the hell should we start clutching our pearls about an outrageous punk band being outrageous?

Great post. Remember this isn’t just about kneecap. This is a warning to artists from the zionists. If you step out of your box and criticise Israel we will ruin your career. We saw this with Corbyn, we see it on US campuses. 

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Yes here we are. Israel is not going away anytime soon. There's no going back so how do they go forward? Should Palestinians fight on or do a deal? Should the IRA have accepted partition or fought on? Now NI has a Sinn Fein first minister and NI has political and economic relations with the Republic separate from the rest of the UK. The Palestinians have a lot to gain from a 2 state deal.

That two state solution is totally dead now, surely.

[wro_lap]

To stay slightly more on-topic of Kneecap & whether they will appear at Glastonbury, the organiser of West Holts just tweeted this. I can't help but wonder if that's him sticking up for Kneecap "making injustice visible" and hinting that they will perform, without saying directly that they are, and hence causing a shitstorm in his replies.

 

[Acid_Haze]

I do hope the festival doesn't drop Kneecap, not a massive fan musically, so wouldn't care either way for that reason, but I think with the platform Glastonbury has, it's a fight worth having.

 

So funny how the right wing media is seems to be all about freedom of speech but then they're outraged about this.

[Levitz]

39 minutes ago, Mark E. Spliff said:

That list of artists supporting Kneecap is a good start.  95% of humanity are cowards who will do anything to keep their heads down with the herd.  Social media and the culture wars have weaponised this - all it takes is an orchestrated bleating of faux outrage, and the majority will back off and many will join the witch-hunt.  We need people to stand up and make their voice heard in order to counteract this.  Unfortunately, Glastonbury has moved from being a brave, principled, independent voice into a cowardly, populist weather-vane, so now more than ever, we need public figures to step up to the plate like this.

 

And for those of you still clutching your pearls about all this: when we used to protest about the pit closures, the poll tax, the CJA, one of the most common chants was 'kill, kill, kill the bill.'  There were similar slogans relating to Thatcher and Willy Whitelaw and so on.  None of us wasted our time navel-gazing about whether these constituted genuine death threats - we knew then, as you all know now, what they really were: rallying cries by angry people who just wanted to make their voice heard over the deafening roar of the right wing media.  Getting involved in this ridiculous navel-gazing, as many on here always do, is doing the right wing media's work for them free of charge.

 

Netanyahu, Trump, The Daily Mail, and all their fellow travellers never give one second's thought about whether restricting food, water and medicine to an entire population might be a little, you know - genocidey.  Why the hell should we start clutching our pearls about an outrageous punk band being outrageous?

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Thising this as I have no votes left.