Kneecap

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

The nastiness and cowardice of Kneecap - New Statesman

[efcfanwirral]

Would be disappointed if Glastonbury cancel Kneecap. .

 

I very much dislike their music and wouldn't even consider watching them. But there is no way they should be cancelled

 

I get Germany having to be careful, but Glastonbury has no such issues.

[CaledonianGonzo]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Worth pointing out that this is not a politically neutral group and its positions are often controversial within the Jewish community (on both sides of the argument).

[Levitz]

7 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Worth pointing out that this is not a politically neutral group and its positions are often controversial within the Jewish community (on both sides of the argument).

This. They are heavily politically motivated. 

[Levitz]

20 minutes ago, siblin said:

I’m fairly neutral in this discussion and watching with almost philosophical interest.  Personally I feel like its ordinary people who have suffered because of two sets of ideologies.  Israel ≠ Netenyahu and Palestine ≠ Hamas. I Can’t ignore the suffering of Gazans nor the sight of festival goers being massacred or abducted.

 

But I’m sorry, I’ve seen this argument come up a couple of times and it’s nonsense false equivalence.  The Smiths didn’t say this in an environment of anger toward DJ’s, or following a couple of incidences of DJ’s being hanged.  Nor did they direct anger toward DJ’s as part of their persona.  Then of course there’s whether or not the instruction can reasonably be taken seriously or not.  Whilst most people are not going to act on the statements made by Kneecap, it is feasible someone could take it seriously, in part because of the latent anger.
 

They also said “Up the Hamas”, who orchestrated a massacre at a music festival, for that reason alone I would not object if GFL cancelled their booking.

 Shane MacGowan  said he regretted not joining the IRA, should he have been cancelled too? 

[SouthbanKen]

1 hour ago, Levitz said:

Christ, you would have hated the original Glastonbury crew. 

Not just the original Glastonbury crew - there was a mass march in favour of Extinction Rebellion 3/4 years ago!! 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, SouthbanKen said:

Not just the original Glastonbury crew - there was a mass march in favour of Extinction Rebellion 3/4 years ago!! 

was the march route arranged with the police beforehand? If so, yes I would like them (not personally obviously).

[Colorblindjames]

21 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Worth pointing out that this is not a politically neutral group and its positions are often controversial within the Jewish community (on both sides of the argument).

Does anyone outside those in the media take this lot seriously? 

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, Levitz said:

 Shane MacGowan  said he regretted not joining the IRA, should he have been cancelled too? 

Cancelled? He said that when he was well and truly over. If he had said it in early 80s maybe would have been different.

[CaledonianGonzo]

Tangentially, in retrospect and given Morrissey's current mask off opinions on the subject of race and immigration, the lyrics of Panic do take on a new light.

[CaledonianGonzo]

2 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said:

Does anyone outside those in the media take this lot seriously? 

 

Fun fact - they were literally the recipients of the Balfour Declaration.

[Colorblindjames]

34 minutes ago, siblin said:

I’m fairly neutral in this discussion and watching with almost philosophical interest.  Personally I feel like its ordinary people who have suffered because of two sets of ideologies.  Israel ≠ Netenyahu and Palestine ≠ Hamas. I Can’t ignore the suffering of Gazans nor the sight of festival goers being massacred or abducted.

 

But I’m sorry, I’ve seen this argument come up a couple of times and it’s nonsense false equivalence.  The Smiths didn’t say this in an environment of anger toward DJ’s, or following a couple of incidences of DJ’s being hanged.  Nor did they direct anger toward DJ’s as part of their persona.  Then of course there’s whether or not the instruction can reasonably be taken seriously or not.  Whilst most people are not going to act on the statements made by Kneecap, it is feasible someone could take it seriously, in part because of the latent anger.
 

They also said “Up the Hamas”, who orchestrated a massacre at a music festival, for that reason alone I would not object if GFL cancelled their booking.

So do you believe that kneecap wanted their audience to go off and kill their MPs? 
 

Regarding the angry environment. I’ve been to a few angry Prodigy gigs. Do you think they wanted to start fires? 
 

Some people don’t see Hamas as a terrorist organisation. 

[Crazyfool01]

On 29/04/2025 at 18:10, kaosmark2 said:

Thanks, we're really trying to let as much as possible through. As @Alvoram said though, credit to the community. I think we've hidden less than a dozen posts and that's great for a highly emotive topic such as this.

 

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Not in response to itschris:

From now on, all posts that are sarcastic will remain hidden, as will any post with a swear word. Normally we're fine with sarcastic callbacks to other users' comments, and the filter keeping off the full explicit word, but this is a more inflammatory topic than most conversations about festivals/music.

 

And yes we're aware we were allowing them earlier. We're trying to calm things down without having to lock the thread or take any action other than hidden posts.

Just a reminder on the sarcasm point . It’s hard for other users and sometimes mods to see sarcasm in users posts and because of potential for misunderstanding at points we won’t be approving those posts . Thanks 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Tangentially, in retrospect and given Morrissey's current mask off opinions on the subject of race and immigration, the lyrics of Panic do take on a new light.

Yeah, but at least it's a good song.

[CaledonianGonzo]

28 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

The nastiness and cowardice of Kneecap - New Statesman

 

Coming next - thoughts from Harry from off of Harry's Place.

[CaledonianGonzo]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Yeah, but at least it's a good song.

 

Can't argue with that.

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said:

Does anyone outside those in the media take this lot seriously? 

Irony overload.

[steviewevie]

 

[Colorblindjames]

47 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

The nastiness and cowardice of Kneecap - New Statesman

I’m impressed the centrist bible is aware of Kneecap. I thought its writers only went to ABBA Voyage. 

[siblin]

20 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said:

So do you believe that kneecap wanted their audience to go off and kill their MPs? 
 

Regarding the angry environment. I’ve been to a few angry Prodigy gigs. Do you think they wanted to start fires? 
 

Some people don’t see Hamas as a terrorist organisation. 

1) No - but that’s not my point.  Some might.

2) No. but did they say “go set alight to someone in this specific group”?

3)  well I dunno what to say about that.  Massacring civilians at a music festival feels a bit terroristy to me!  

 

[Levitz]

26 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Cancelled? He said that when he was well and truly over. If he had said it in early 80s maybe would have been different.

I thought he wrote a tribute to a notorious IRA leader in the 90s....maybe I'm wrong....

[clarkete]

55 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

The nastiness and cowardice of Kneecap - New Statesman

 

She's got form... 

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2024/12/the-reality-of-irelands-anti-israel-stance

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said:

I’m impressed the centrist bible is aware of Kneecap. I thought its writers only went to ABBA Voyage. 

maybe she heard about them because of Glastonbury.

(and the fact she's Irish)

[steviewevie]

all the "so you think" or "so you believe" or "are you a zionist" or "so you support genocide" questions. Have to be careful.