When will this shit end?

[stuartbert two hats]

2 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

So...well done Trump? Not really.

Actually, scrub that:

 

[mazola]

I'm lost for words

[Ozanne]

5 hours ago, mazola said:

I'm lost for words

Absolute madness. 

[Mr.Tease]

5 hours ago, mazola said:

I'm lost for words

Mind-blowing levels of stupidity. Who's thicker, him or the people who support him?

[Mr.Tease]

Ha, shameless stuff, maybe he should look in the mirror:

 

Ministers are expecting a wide-ranging government reshuffle in September in which Boris Johnson will sack key figures who are judged to have underperformed in the Covid-19 crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/21/september-reshuffle-expected-in-effort-to-stem-faltering-tory-poll-ratings

Under that criteria who does he NOT sack?!?!

Edited June 21, 2020 by Mr.Tease

[Ozanne]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

Ha, shameless stuff, maybe he should look in the mirror:

 

Ministers are expecting a wide-ranging government reshuffle in September in which Boris Johnson will sack key figures who are judged to have underperformed in the Covid-19 crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/21/september-reshuffle-expected-in-effort-to-stem-faltering-tory-poll-ratings

Under that criteria who does he NOT sack?!?!

Surely he should be the first to be sacked then!?

[steviewevie]

5 hours ago, mazola said:

I'm lost for words

fuckme, he's such an idiot.

[jparx]

Have to say I was feeling a bit more positive about the direction we were heading in, and Europe as a whole, despite our government and their awful handling of it. However the scenes in Brazil and places in the US like Florida just hammer home that the whole world needs to beat this before we can be truly normal again. I felt cautiously optimistic that by next Spring we'd be pretty much there but it's hard to see how that would be the case if it's raging in other parts of the world still.

What's up with Brazil? Is it partly seasonality? Obviously loads of social and economic factors behind the huge spread, but why now and not earlier?

Edited June 21, 2020 by jparx

[Homer]

4 minutes ago, jparx said:

Have to say I was feeling a bit more positive about the direction we were heading in, and Europe as a whole, despite our government and their awful handling of it. However the scenes in Brazil and places in the US like Florida just hammer home that the whole world needs to beat this before we can be truly normal again. I felt cautiously optimistic that by next Spring we'd be pretty much there but it's hard to see how that would be the case if it's raging in other parts of the world still.

What's up with Brazil? Is it partly seasonality? Obviously loads of social and economic factors behind the huge spread, but why now and not earlier?

I read last week that they were coming out of their 'lockdown' and they hadn't even reached the peak yet. Basically, Bolsonaro is also a lunatic.

[Homer]

6 hours ago, mazola said:

I'm lost for words

He's already said this at least twice before sadly!

[Cream Soda]

6 minutes ago, jparx said:

What's up with Brazil? Is it partly seasonality? Obviously loads of social and economic factors behind the huge spread, but why now and not earlier?

The case numbers in Brazil are scary but they are doing much better than us when it comes to to the amount of deaths.  They only have about 8000 more deaths than us, yet 3x as many cases and a much much bigger population.  

[stuartbert two hats]

17 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

The case numbers in Brazil are scary but they are doing much better than us when it comes to to the amount of deaths.  They only have about 8000 more deaths than us, yet 3x as many cases and a much much bigger population.  

Although some of that is down to the massive increase in cases recently - a lot of the Brazilian cases haven't had time to progress.

And are they discharging patients into care homes without testing?

[Cream Soda]

2 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Although some of that is down to the massive increase in cases recently - a lot of the Brazilian cases haven't had time to progress.

And are they discharging patients into care homes without testing?

It will be interesting to see how it compares in a few weeks time.  Could the increase in cases be due to an increase in testing or have they been testing at this level for a while now?  

[Mr.Tease]

23 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

The case numbers in Brazil are scary but they are doing much better than us when it comes to to the amount of deaths.  They only have about 8000 more deaths than us, yet 3x as many cases and a much much bigger population.  

Plus I read that due to lack of testing, the infection rates might actually be up to ten times higher (though they estimated maybe 6 million).

One thing that may impact death rates in poorer countries though is a lower life expectancy. In the UK it's 81, where as Brazil it's 75, so maybe it might not be as devastating for poorer countries (in that there are fewer 75+ year olds who tend to be worse affected), plus less obesity that seemed to be a comorbidity?

Edited June 21, 2020 by Mr.Tease

[squirrelarmy]

9 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Actually, scrub that:

 

A lot of this is to do with a viral trend by the kids of America who reserved tickets without any intention of showing up to the rally.
 

Nice one kids of America. Maybe you do have a future after all. 

[mcshed]

1 minute ago, squirrelarmy said:

A lot of this is to do with a viral trend by the kids of America who reserved tickets without any intention of showing up to the rally.
 

Nice one kids of America. Maybe you do have a future after all. 

I think whilst there might have been some of that going on it's largely a story being put out by the Trump campaign to cover up from there over a million people wanted tickets bullshit.

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

31 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

The case numbers in Brazil are scary but they are doing much better than us when it comes to to the amount of deaths.  They only have about 8000 more deaths than us, yet 3x as many cases and a much much bigger population.  

I suspect they aren’t, we don’t really know the actual mortality rate of this virus yet, but you can’t really escape it.

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

A lot of this is to do with a viral trend by the kids of America who reserved tickets without any intention of showing up to the rally.
 

Nice one kids of America. Maybe you do have a future after all. 

even when Trump was popular the arenas often weren't full. Same as with this one, he puts most of the crowd behind him so it looks full for the TV cameras.

[zahidf]

Trump: "Testing is a double edged sword. And here's the bad part: When you do testing to that extent, you're gonna find more cases! 

 

"So I said to my people, 'slow the testing down, please.'" 

 

https://t.co/mpBeD0UVfu

Joe Biden

Speed up the testing.

[zahidf]

 

 

 

[Cream Soda]

15 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I suspect they aren’t, we don’t really know the actual mortality rate of this virus yet, but you can’t really escape it.

How do you mean, do you think they are newer cases so are mostly still active?  

[Cream Soda]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

Surely the more testing done and the more cases of the "sniffles"  picked up the better it would look for Trump because the death rate would go down but he can't seem to see that

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

9 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

How do you mean, do you think they are newer cases so are mostly still active?  

I think if they’re diagnosing 54,000 cases a day then their death figures will surely go through the roof in a few weeks. Plus there may well be a difference in how they record deaths. We obviously had an issue with care homes so our death rate will have been affected by that, but they also have more extreme poverty there as well.

Ultimately if your health care service isn’t overwhelmed, then surely it’s difficult for one country to have significantly better outcome when it comes to deaths than another? There is no cure yet.

Russia is another one, nearly 600,000 cases but only 8000 deaths. Are they dealing with it better or is there another explanation. 

[zahidf]

11 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

Surely the more testing done and the more cases of the "sniffles"  picked up the better it would look for Trump because the death rate would go down but he can't seem to see that

I think what he means is that its easier to hide the true death rate if you don't test them, as then you can pretend it's something else.

[Chapple12345]

42 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

It will be interesting to see how it compares in a few weeks time.  Could the increase in cases be due to an increase in testing or have they been testing at this level for a while now?  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-brazil-becomes-second-country-to-pass-one-million-covid-19-cases-12010848

This article from yesterday says experts fear there is still undertesting and that both deaths and cases are far higher, you'd expect it when they don't think they have even reached their peak yet. Yes there are many factors to take into account but still its a huge and worrying amount