When will this shit end?

[BobWillis]

3 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Doh

Never mind, they don’t want them anyway. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Doh

We are getting our 100m

 

 

[zahidf]

 

 

[Crazyfool01]

Lockdown 1 M5 motorway ... 

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Lockdown 1 M5 motorway ... 

I've driven Bristol to Reading (or back) on the M4 the last three Monday afternoons, and its definitely quieter than it was during the last lockdown tho about twice as busy as lockdown 1.

Edit: all traveling within rules.

Edited February 23, 2021 by eFestivals

[stuartbert two hats]

3 hours ago, DeanoL said:

Yeah same here - while the roads are certainly busier than they should be, they are nowhere near as busy as in regular times either. I don't think compliance is at 96% but nor is it at 10%. It's somewhere in the middle.

Yeah, but bear in mind most of the shops will be closed, cafes won't be able to seat people, so if it only felt as busy as pre-COVID it was actually much, much quieter, as it didn't have the 1000s of people in shops, cafes and restaurants at any one time.

I was going to make the same observation. Think about the likes of Avalon on the Thursday, it should be extra busy in the town centres without pubs/cafes/non-essential retail the way it is at Glastonbury before the headliners start.

[stuartbert two hats]

43 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Sorry to go back to this study, but it seems there are serious concerns about the way it was carried out, this blog goes into it,

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2021-02-22/doctors-vitamin-d-erode-trust/

It's a 40 min video which goes into detail but

Bottom line is his criticisms,

• The doctors gave patients a single dose, one that barely qualifies as a high dose despite the study description, that earlier research on Vitamin D, conducted four years ago, proved doesn’t work. In other words, they designed a study that was entirely unnecessary because the outcome was known beforehand. The research was a complete waste of everybody’s time and a betrayal of the patients who took part because nothing could be learnt from it.
• Even worse, the form of Vitamin D the researchers gave the patients needs 10 days to become available in their bodies, far too late to help these seriously ill patients in their battle against Covid. Another form, calcifediol, which is available for use by the immune system immediately, should have been given instead, as it was in the Spanish study.
• In addition, not only was the wrong form of Vitamin D given but it was administered to patients 11 days after the onset of their symptoms – a huge time lag that, as Dr Vasquez observes, would ensure that many established drug treatments – for illnesses such as influenza, for example – would be guaranteed to fail too.
• The combined delay in treatment and the delay in the Vitamin D becoming active meant the patients had to wait three weeks before their Covid was being treated in any meaningful way. But that was the point at which the study ended and an assessment was drawn about Vitamin D as an ineffective treatment.

All the vitamin D studies seem to be a bit shit, don't they?

[eFestivals]

Just now, stuartbert two hats said:

All the vitamin D studies seem to be a bit shit, don't they?

Especially as none of what he said they did matches how docs seem to dose people with a vitD deficiency.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, eFestivals said:

I've driven Bristol to Reading (or back) on the M4 the last three Monday afternoons, and its definitely quieter than it was during the last lockdown tho about twice as busy as lockdown 1.

That’s kind of good to know ... might head to same location for a walk tomorow to compare ... I wonder if I will see it that quiet again in my lifetime ... hopefully not ... 

[gizmoman]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

All the vitamin D studies seem to be a bit shit, don't they?

Yep, someone needs to fund a proper world class large scale study to get us a reliable result.

[Paul ™]

1 hour ago, Greenelk said:

Sometimes I'm so proud to come from Essex....

Currently only 30 mins away too, bloody self-isolation! 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, gizmoman said:

Yep, someone needs to fund a proper world class large scale study to get us a reliable result.

Bill gates ? 

[chuckles07]

1 hour ago, Greenelk said:

2 hours ago, zahidf said:

Nature is healing

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/19109815.police-urge-people-not-attend-dogging-event-canvey/

Sometimes I'm so proud to come from Essex....

Letsgodogging is an actual website 😳. 
 

 

 

so someone just told me

Edited February 23, 2021 by chuckles07

[efcfanwirral]

7 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Yep, someone needs to fund a proper world class large scale study to get us a reliable result.

Impression I always got was that vitamin D was believed to be preventative- are people actually thinking its a treatment for people who already have it now? 

[fatyeti24]

7 minutes ago, Paul ™ said:

Currently only 30 mins away too, bloody self-isolation! 

It's self something if you can't get there.

[gizmoman]

3 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Impression I always got was that vitamin D was believed to be preventative- are people actually thinking its a treatment for people who already have it now? 

Yes, that's what the study tried to establish but it seems it was flawed, the earlier Spanish study concluded it was of value, but that study too had shortcomings. What is clear is that people with high Vitamin D levels don't get the serious symptoms that those with lower inadequate D levels get, if you can keep your levels high it seems to help your body fight it. This should be easy to demonstrate one way or the other but we're a year into this with no scientifically acceptable answer.

[Toilet Duck]

1 hour ago, gizmoman said:

Sorry to go back to this study, but it seems there are serious concerns about the way it was carried out, this blog goes into it,

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2021-02-22/doctors-vitamin-d-erode-trust/

It's a 40 min video which goes into detail but

Bottom line is his criticisms,

• The doctors gave patients a single dose, one that barely qualifies as a high dose despite the study description, that earlier research on Vitamin D, conducted four years ago, proved doesn’t work. In other words, they designed a study that was entirely unnecessary because the outcome was known beforehand. The research was a complete waste of everybody’s time and a betrayal of the patients who took part because nothing could be learnt from it.
• Even worse, the form of Vitamin D the researchers gave the patients needs 10 days to become available in their bodies, far too late to help these seriously ill patients in their battle against Covid. Another form, calcifediol, which is available for use by the immune system immediately, should have been given instead, as it was in the Spanish study.
• In addition, not only was the wrong form of Vitamin D given but it was administered to patients 11 days after the onset of their symptoms – a huge time lag that, as Dr Vasquez observes, would ensure that many established drug treatments – for illnesses such as influenza, for example – would be guaranteed to fail too.
• The combined delay in treatment and the delay in the Vitamin D becoming active meant the patients had to wait three weeks before their Covid was being treated in any meaningful way. But that was the point at which the study ended and an assessment was drawn about Vitamin D as an ineffective treatment.

I did notice that the active metabolite was not used (many of the other studies do use it). Again, I’m not against Vit D at all, would just like to see better evidence. Given that Covid didn’t exist 4 years ago, I still think it was a valid research question, but like the use of interferon, it may be more useful earlier on. 

[steviewevie]

32 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

 

for balance 🙂

[Havors]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

for balance 🙂

Short answer.... No its impossible

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Havors said:

Short answer.... No its impossible

What are your credentials again?

[Zoo Music Girl]

3 hours ago, philipsteak said:

 

At the centre I'm volunteering at (actually, I think most of the region ) they cut down the the volunteer shifts after the first week or so. I got sent home from my first shift cos I wasn't needed. Think it was just a case of working out what they needed and how the centres were going to run. Having said that. I do feel like we could get more people through. there were definite lulls during the shift I worked.

In terms of not getting shifts, I think it is literally just a case of so many volunteers. The next batch of shifts (first 2 weeks in March) went online yesterday morning and all but 1 shift was taken by yesterday evening. Similar at other sites too, although some of the bigger ones still have shifts available, especially the outside roles. I might have to cancel mine though. Started with symptoms yesterday and if my test is positive then I'll still be isolating by the date I booked

Thanks for the insight. Think I might have just missed a batch! Hopefully will get something later in March or April.

[JoeyT]

24 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

What are your credentials again?

I don’t often dish out downvotes but this only just missed out on one.

Put your claws away.

[efcfanwirral]

Well this is cheery 

Wonder when the US travel corridor will open...

[Guest]

@Copperface Was it yourself I was discussing this with yesterday? The PM will only offer a vote on the roadmap at the different stages not on the whole thing. 
 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/roadmap-boris-johnson-covid-tory-attacks-883559

[Havors]

40 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

What are your credentials again?

I don't need credentials.... I can read.