When will this shit end?

[onthebeach]

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Not all hospitals do i know that Bristol hospitals are no longer doing jabs.. And cos they won't let me out to have one I've booked it means i can't get my jab. 

 

Are they not doing their staff’s 2nd jabs on site? Could you be put on a ‘no show’ list?

[balti-pie]

weird tale of localism here, i live in Eastbourne - the sunshine coast of Sussex, and notoriously full of pensioners. We've been vaccinating the 40-49 group here for the last couple of weeks, a few of my mates have been jabbed already - we tried to work out how/why this might be, considering the skew to the elderly in our local demographic, and we can only presume theyve bunged loads of resources at this area specifically because of the amount of pensioners we have in the priority groups. 

and now theyre done, the structure is still in place to plough through the lower priority cohorts! 

It doesnt affect me, NHS worker and already double jabbed. But its nice to see my mates getting done as well. Huggageddon is looming ever closer. 

[eFestivals]

12 minutes ago, onthebeach said:

Are they not doing their staff’s 2nd jabs on site? Could you be put on a ‘no show’ list?

so a doc told me a day or two ago they sztopped doing jabs on site as it took too many staff away from their normal duties

[DeanoL]

13 hours ago, JoeyT said:

With this in mind how do you explain the 2 week gap between 29th March - outdoor socialising and then the outdoor hospitality, shops & gyms that open on April 12th?

If a gap is so important as you’re clearly suggesting why is this one so small yet the data apparently needs 5 weeks to tell us what we can or can’t do?

April 12ths stuff should have happened this Monday. I don’t see the logic in waiting with the reasons I assume you’re alluding to?

Are there any metrics which aren’t decreasing rapidly that I’ve missed?

Could be school holiday related? They didn't want retail and outdoor hospitality open while kids were off as it'd be a nightmare? Or would confuse the data?

2 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Very much for us operating a jabs in arms not the bin policy but just that I have noticed a lot of these all day centre opening up in this way.  If they have so many spares they can open up all day for anyone - that's more questionable than a few spares at end of the day.  Specially with lots of 40s on pause at the moment.

I get everything you say but also when it's at this level I don't think "nothing to see here" works...

Well the one story I saw was for Walthamstow, which is a heavily BAME area. Presumably centres are allocated vaccine based on the population eligible, not the population likely to take it up. And we're hitting the age group now where there will be large numbers of BAME people eligible in those areas?

[efcfanwirral]

2 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Starmer has come out against vaccine passports.  So I wonder what his plan is to reopen pubs without distancing.

 

2 hours ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Given that all over 50’s have been offered a vaccine (or will be imminently) I don’t see why you need distancing. If the older anti vaxxers get hospitalised its their own bloody fault and no one cares if a 30 year old catches the mild lurgy for a few days 

He might be against them but surely Labour will abstain so it will go through. He doesn't vote against covid measures 

[steviewevie]

2 hours ago, Hannibal Schmitt said:

The Head of Munich Ambulance Service Peter Aicher now advises the Oktoberfest to vaccinate on the ground.

"My suggestion would be a Vaccination Tent on the Theresienwiese as it is designed for large masses, easy to

reach and vaccination could be done by all aid organizations" said Aicher to Munich "Abendzeitung".

 

[Leyrulion]

13 hours ago, JoeyT said:

With this in mind how do you explain the 2 week gap between 29th March - outdoor socialising and then the outdoor hospitality, shops & gyms that open on April 12th?

If a gap is so important as you’re clearly suggesting why is this one so small yet the data apparently needs 5 weeks to tell us what we can or can’t do?

April 12ths stuff should have happened this Monday. I don’t see the logic in waiting with the reasons I assume you’re alluding to?

Are there any metrics which aren’t decreasing rapidly that I’ve missed?

Because it's the time period needed from the 1st unlocking. Confirmatory data is analysed this week and the next sectors get a weeks notice that it's going ahead. 

They've been very clear about the process.

Your issue is that you believe they should be moving faster in their data analysis, that it is probably too cautionary, which is different from your implications that they're not being led by data. 

 

[steviewevie]

Pandemic 2020 on BBC2 at 9pm - nostalgic look back at the highlights of 2020.

[SamJ]

26 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Could be school holiday related? They didn't want retail and outdoor hospitality open while kids were off as it'd be a nightmare? Or would confuse the data?

Well the one story I saw was for Walthamstow, which is a heavily BAME area. Presumably centres are allocated vaccine based on the population eligible, not the population likely to take it up. And we're hitting the age group now where there will be large numbers of BAME people eligible in those areas?

From the health professionals I know, they are allocated a set number per GP surgery.  It’s why London is so far behind some areas, as the surgeries cater for higher numbers where the population is dense but vaccination allocation has not been adjusted for that

[philipsteak]

22 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Pandemic 2020 on BBC2 at 9pm - nostalgic look back at the highlights of 2020.

Same people who did "Once upon a time in Iraq" which was excellent

[gizmoman]

52 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

He might be against them but surely Labour will abstain so it will go through. He doesn't vote against covid measures 

"He added that "this is really difficult and I'm not going to pretend there's a clear black and white, yes-no easy answer on this".

Labour would look at any government proposals before deciding whether to oppose them, he said."

 

There's nothing difficult about it, there are no compelling reasons for this, no evidence that unvaccinated people would spread the disease in a mainly vaccinated population, there couldn,'t be, these businesses have been closed for months. This is a done deal, they have been working on it for months it has nothing to do with public health, Starmer is just making what he thinks are the right noises, he may abstain when it comes to a vote but he won't join Tory rebels to defeat it.

[Mellotr0n]

50 minutes ago, balti-pie said:

 Huggageddon is looming ever closer. 

Last we heard (via Matt Hancock) this would be 17th May - are we guessing that means....social distancing relaxed for family and friends, but still keep distance in shared public areas?

Any theories anyone?

[JoeyT]

4 minutes ago, Mellotr0n said:

Last we heard (via Matt Hancock) this would be 17th May - are we guessing that means....social distancing relaxed for family and friends, but still keep distance in shared public areas?

Any theories anyone?

I don't foresee a change in mask wearing on public transport for a long while. Primarily due to the lack of ventilation. I don't see how it will still be in place within hospitality when they reopen in May unless I guess the ventilation isn't deemed sufficient in some places?

Wouldn't be surprised if they insisted that hugging can only take place outside or some bull like that.

In general apart from somewhere busy you don't often get within 1 metre of people anyhow do you? If you're any closer than that it tends to be a bit awkward! (I'm thinking of that Matt Hancock first meets a woman video for instance)

 

[jannybruck]

I think they'll make some sort of grand announcement re: masks before the local elections in May, personally. It'd play very well. Maybe a summer date where they can get binned off.

[Crazyfool01]

22 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

I don't foresee a change in mask wearing on public transport for a long while. Primarily due to the lack of ventilation. I don't see how it will still be in place within hospitality when they reopen in May unless I guess the ventilation isn't deemed sufficient in some places?

Wouldn't be surprised if they insisted that hugging can only take place outside or some bull like that.

In general apart from somewhere busy you don't often get within 1 metre of people anyhow do you? If you're any closer than that it tends to be a bit awkward! (I'm thinking of that Matt Hancock first meets a woman video for instance)

 

Try working in a supermarket 🙂 I had someone lean over me the other day and when I edged away she said to me it’s fine you aren’t in the way ... might have seen my glare !!  And  a colleague when I moved away said it’s ok I don’t smell .... it’s gonna take me a little while to get used to that kind of closeness again !! 

[JoeyT]

 

[Mellotr0n]

28 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Wouldn't be surprised if they insisted that hugging can only take place outside or some bull like that.

In general apart from somewhere busy you don't often get within 1 metre of people anyhow do you? If you're any closer than that it tends to be a bit awkward! (I'm thinking of that Matt Hancock first meets a woman video for instance)

 

That's the problem. He must've really struggled with social distancing given that's how he likes to stand with people he (presumably) doesn't know that well.

Edited April 1, 2021 by Mellotr0n

[Gacheezbo]

Drakeford's war on gyms continues 🙄

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Gacheezbo said:

Drakeford's war on gyms continues 🙄

But its impossible to do any exercise without gyms

[Ozanne]

Plus gyms being inside will add an extra layer of risk. 

[JoeyT]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Plus gyms being inside will add an extra layer of risk. 

All reputable gyms will have better ventilation than you’ll find in most other places so I don’t think the fact they’re inside is a great argument.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

10 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

But its impossible to do any exercise without gyms

Brilliant execution. 10's across the board from me there. 

[Ozanne]

Just now, JoeyT said:

All reputable gyms will have better ventilation than you’ll find in most other places so I don’t think the fact they’re inside is a great argument.

That is the argument though. They are inside which adds an extra element of risk which combined with how people are when working out in gyms increases that element of risk. I know gyms are big source of help for people but I think understand why in some areas they might be opened later. 

[Gacheezbo]

12 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

But its impossible to do any exercise without gyms

It's impossible to do any socialising without meeting people in person. Impossible to have a drink without a pub.

 

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

That is the argument though. They are inside which adds an extra element of risk which combined with how people are when working out in gyms increases that element of risk. I know gyms are big source of help for people but I think understand why in some areas they might be opened later. 

So gyms shouldn't open in England on april 12th then? seeing as wales has more vaccinated and lower cases. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Gyms should never have been closed.

 

You can’t close the place that people go to improve their health and then act surprised when you get a abnormally high death toll from a bog standard virus.