When will this shit end?

[jannybruck]

Even as someone who doesn't use them much, I've still not seen any data that suggests gyms being open were ever a hotbed of transmission or had any outbreaks traced back to them. All the ones I was aware of near me had decent ventilation, wipe downs after every session, distancing, and low capacity.

[incident]

This weeks breakdown of Excess Deaths in England has been published.

Not a lot new - just the usual story that groups that have been vaccinated a while ago continue to massively outperform.

[Crazyfool01]

8 minutes ago, jannybruck said:

Even as someone who doesn't use them much, I've still not seen any data that suggests gyms being open were ever a hotbed of transmission or had any outbreaks traced back to them. All the ones I was aware of near me had decent ventilation, wipe downs after every session, distancing, and low capacity.

I do agree .... that they probably arent so dangerous .... but as with Supermarkets  as the pandemic went on the measures became more lax at least at my gym ..... Im not sure anything was ever traced back because those QR codes were proved to be completely ineffective .... the cases would come from the interaction between people around the Gyms like having a yap to a mate in the changing rooms and general increased mobility around the trips to them , But now id say they are absolutely safe to be open and helping people back to health 

[zahidf]

 

[JoeyT]

Our usual chap who gives the vaccination stats on Twitter is on hols but apparently the UK did 64,828k doses yesterday.

Where is this supply issue?!

[Fuzzy Afro]

Wondering if the supply issue isn’t so much that it’s going to FALL, it just won’t be ramped up in such a way and thus first doses will fall 

[Ozanne]

The supply issues mean that there won’t be as many first doses as there were because we are now having to give people their 2nd doses. 

[DeanoL]

1 hour ago, Mellotr0n said:

That's the problem. He must've really struggled with social distancing given that's how he likes to stand with people he (presumably) doesn't know that well.

I swear there's an entire subsection of men who believe themselves to be "alpha" but express that entirely by invading other people's space. They're shitting themselves that that won't be something they can get away with any more!

29 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I do agree .... that they probably arent so dangerous .... but as with Supermarkets  as the pandemic went on the measures became more lax at least at my gym ..... Im not sure anything was ever traced back because those QR codes were proved to be completely ineffective .... the cases would come from the interaction between people around the Gyms like having a yap to a mate in the changing rooms and general increased mobility around the trips to them , But now id say they are absolutely safe to be open and helping people back to health 

Same argument we had tens of times during the pandemic. Places likely to have outbreaks are places where the same people are visiting the same place at the same time on a regular basis. So workplaces and schools. Whereas pubs and gyms and shops and so on may have a lot of people through them, but it's different people at different times. Outbreaks are where multiple people all catch it from the same place, so you never get an outbreak as such linked to them, but that doesn't mean you don't get transmission.

And while workplaces and schools are more susceptible to exponential spread within the workplace/school, they also form bubbles by default.

Whereas gyms and pubs don't - you have contacts with people you otherwise wouldn't have contacts with at them.

So if someone in an office gets sick, it spreads around the whole office and it's an outbreak and recorded. If someone from that office goes to the gym and spreads it to one or two other people, and those people then go to work in their offices, and spread it to everyone in their office, that's two more outbreaks linked to offices. But it was only through the gym visit that they were chained together.

[DeanoL]

This isn't really relevant but I had a delightful half hour with this yesterday and it properly got me out of the COVID-blues. It's a free browser game where you're trying to figure out what parts of a song one (fictional) musician plagiarized from three other (fictional) songs. Some really ace music and makes an interesting point about modern song writing, so figured you guys would like it: https://tim-sheinman.itch.io/copy-right

[northernringo]

Northern Ireland's 7 day rate is now under 50 for the first time since mid-September.

[philipsteak]

41 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Our usual chap who gives the vaccination stats on Twitter is on hols but apparently the UK did 64,828k doses yesterday.

Where is this supply issue?!

I got an email today from the volunteer organisation saying that they were planning for fewer shifts for April and apologising to people who'd already had shifts canceled. This was due to supplies expected to be lower. They did also say that this would be monitored and shifts increased again if needed. 

So not all down to second doses

[phimill]

Moderna due in Scotland next week!

Hopefully this means UK wide too - which would give a boost to 1st doses!

[steviewevie]

Because I know you all love a variant chart...

[zahidf]

 

[stuartbert two hats]

12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Because I know you all love a variant chart...

I think it's worth noting that this chart doesn't show all variants.  If it also showed B117 (without E484k) then everything else on the graph would be practically flat.  It seems to suggest we're overrun by B.1.351, which is far from the case.  It took me a while, until I realised the "y" axis isn't measured in thousands, or daily cases  - it's total cumulative cases, so there's less than 500 of the "biggest" variant on here.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I think it's worth noting that this chart doesn't show all variants.  If it also showed B117 (without E484k) then everything else on the graph would be practically flat.  It seems to suggest we're overrun by B.1.351, which is far from the case.  It took me a while, until I realised the "y" axis isn't measured in thousands, or daily cases  - it's total cumulative cases, so there's less than 500 of the "biggest" variant on here.

you mean like this

[stuartbert two hats]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

you mean like this

Yes, although I had a linear, rather than log graph in mind when I said the others would look flat.

EDIT: Obviously, that's why a log graph is the best way to present the data with ordinary B117 included.

Edited April 1, 2021 by stuartbert two hats

[Simsy]

2 hours ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Gyms should never have been closed.

 

You can’t close the place that people go to improve their health and then act surprised when you get a abnormally high death toll from a bog standard virus. 

Hahaha, "bog standard virus". Like the bog standard diseases Europeans took to the Americas and wiped out the native population because they had no immunity?

Once we've got herd immunity it'll be a bog standard virus, and yes a lot of people have mild or no symptoms, but millions of people have died from it.

[JoeyT]

 

24 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Because I know you all love a variant chart...

Variants which get absolutely knee capped by the vaccines. Scary stuff.

11 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Just off to drink some of the tears of those saying we shouldn't get the outside hospitality open this weekend.

 

Edited April 1, 2021 by JoeyT

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, Simsy said:

Hahaha, "bog standard virus". Like the bog standard diseases Europeans took to the Americas and wiped out the native population because they had no immunity?

Once we've got herd immunity it'll be a bog standard virus, and yes a lot of people have mild or no symptoms, but millions of people have died from it.

 

I know very little about the viruses you refer to but the fact they "wiped out the native population" suggests they are far more serious than covid-19.

 

Unless you're over 70 or have some pretty serious health issues then there's a great chance that you won't even realise you have it. Older and more vulnerable people die and those without swiss cheese immune systems are absolutely fine. That's exactly how "bog standard viruses" work.

[JoeyT]

Cases

Today - 4,479 Last Week - 6,397

Deaths

Today - 51 Last Week - 63

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

2 hours ago, incident said:

This weeks breakdown of Excess Deaths in England has been published.

Not a lot new - just the usual story that groups that have been vaccinated a while ago continue to massively outperform.

0-64 - be interesting to see that range broken down 

[zahidf]

10 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Cases

Today - 4,479 Last Week - 6,397

Deaths

Today - 51 Last Week - 63

So no schools spike.

[steviewevie]

17 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Just off to drink some of the tears of those saying we shouldn't get the outside hospitality open this weekend.

nah, bit too cold.

[JoeyT]

Just now, zahidf said:

So no schools spike.

It'll be interesting to see how low we get given the (I assume) decrease in lateral flow tests over the next 2 weeks due to school hols.