When will this shit end?

[zahidf]

11 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Those reports are saying that the worst case scenario, it looks like they'll be different options depending on the pandemic spans out. If everything goes well with more areas being opened back up then they'll continue and other areas will be continue to be opened up. That's why they'll do it in stages, they can't open everything and household mixing as they don't know the effects. That;'s the big thing, they'll go slowly because they don't know how it will span out.

Yeah and I think that's a reasonable way forward. I personally think talks of pubs opening in August is massively pessimistic: furlough won't be around then

[hodgey123]

I’m sorry but I will be breaking household mixing rules at the latest in May. It’s ridiculous to ban it any longer than that 

[gooner1990]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Yeah and I think that's a reasonable way forward. I personally think talks of pubs opening in August is massively pessimistic: furlough won't be around then

I’ve got to go back to work full time at the end of April even if there is still a lack of work, will be interesting to see what my manager comes up with! 

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, hodgey123 said:

I’m sorry but I will be breaking household mixing rules at the latest in May. It’s ridiculous to ban it any longer than that 

I don't think we will have a ban on outdoor household mixing past April myself.

 

( and judging from my walk around Clapham today, most people aren't following it now)

[tigger123]

40 minutes ago, aj6658 said:

This utterly baffles me. Genuine question, Can anyone explain why we will need restrictions in August?

Per the department of health and social care - 99% of deaths are attributable to groups 1-9. These groups will have had their 2nd dose well before August and therefore have approx. 95% efficacy by autumn. 

The other 1% are from 18-49 years of age. These groups will also will have had their 1st dose and a good portion of them will have had their second dose. So this group will be protected.

Research has shown that transmission decreases with the vaccine.

By Autumn we will also know of better ways to treat (there some treatments already in phase 3 trials) so we can reduce hospitalisations and deaths further.

 

So what are we protecting people from with restrictions in the autumn? If everyone is vaccinated and we still need restrictions are we saying that restrictions are the new normal with these coming into effect each year?

 

Also why would they be briefing the Mirror journalists with info, especially Pippa Crerrar who was the main journalist in uncovering the Cummings scandal last year? Doesn’t add up to me

[SwedgeAntilles]

Are England more or less likely to lose a penalty shoot out in a tournament staged completely in their own country, or in another country?

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

I’m sorry but I will be breaking household mixing rules at the latest in May. It’s ridiculous to ban it any longer than that 

I'm not directly having a go at you but that type of mentality got us into these issues in the first place. If everyone thought like that there would be a big risk we'd have a to go into another lockdown.

[hodgey123]

Just now, Ozanne said:

I'm not directly having a go at you but that type of mentality got us into these issues in the first place. If everyone thought like that there would be a big risk we'd have a to go into another lockdown.

I agree and have supported each lockdown. This third one has taken its toll now though and it just seems ridiculous when we have constantly been told vaccines are the way out to discover that they actually aren’t going to be for another 3/4 months (after already being in lockdown for a month). 

[JB15]

Cynical me:

Putting it out that it could be August that we don’t see everything becoming more normal, and then beating those standards, shows Boris and co have beat it for us - aren’t they wonderful 

[duke88]

3 minutes ago, JB15 said:

Cynical me:

Putting it out that it could be August that we don’t see everything becoming more normal, and then beating those standards, shows Boris and co have beat it for us - aren’t they wonderful 

Yep, exactly this.

https://apple.news/AUw9-ogSfQcmFoe7028K95Q

[Avalon_Fields]

I'm fascinated with the stats being issued. This is taken from the BBC headline right now:

From Monday, the vaccine rollout is being expanded to include over-65s and those deemed clinically vulnerable.

So, I can only speak for Greater Manchester (Multiple sites): We have been vaccinating this group for the last 2 weeks. I've personally seen a few thousand vaccinated. In fact, on Friday we were struggling to get enough coming through so it was extended to transportation workers of all age groups.

My questions is, are the figures being deliberately under-reported??

 

[MEGABOWL]

It’s going to be a fun week of rumours, gossip, opinion, brief and counter brief about the ‘roadmap.’

[MEGABOWL]

23 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

I’m sorry but I will be breaking household mixing rules at the latest in May. It’s ridiculous to ban it any longer than that 

I think they might be strict with Household Mixing. They must know that’s the first thing most people will stop observing and there’s nothing they can do about it. However if they keep it ‘banned’ that may stop some people and make others cautious about how they do it (numbers, distance etc). 
 

They’ve more control over Hospitality etc.

[hodgey123]

Just now, MEGABOWL said:

I think they might be strict with Household Mixing. They must know that’s the first thing most people will stop observing and there’s nothing they can do about it. However if they keep it ‘banned’ that may stop some people and make others cautious about how they do it (numbers, distance etc). 
 

They’ve more control over Hospitality etc.

True but then there is literally no point to any loosening if you can’t mix with people? Cool let’s open up schools, non-essential retail workplaces etc. but you can’t meet anyone so you’re still just existing. 
 

Sorry these posts are probably quite illogical and irrational but I’ve had enough. 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

I agree and have supported each lockdown. This third one has taken its toll now though and it just seems ridiculous when we have constantly been told vaccines are the way out to discover that they actually aren’t going to be for another 3/4 months (after already being in lockdown for a month). 

The vaccines obviously will be the way out it just might not be as quickly as you want. They can't open up everything too quickly as they don't know what will happen. 

[eFestivals]

47 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Those reports are saying that the worst case scenario, it looks like they'll be different options depending on the pandemic spans out. If everything goes well with more areas being opened back up then they'll continue and other areas will be continue to be opened up. That's why they'll do it in stages, they can't open everything and household mixing as they don't know the effects. That;'s the big thing, they'll go slowly because they don't know how it will span out.

Unfortunately things won't go well. 

You only have to look at the difference between the November lockdown and this one to see the effects of schools being open. 

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Unfortunately things won't go well. 

You only have to look at the difference between the November lockdown and this one to see the effects of schools being open. 

Hopefully the vaccines and good weather will make a difference as well

[BobWillis]

I struggle to believe that Boris isn’t planning for there to be some kind of big event with a big crowd to show the world that ‘British vaccines got Britain back to normal’ or some bollocks. 
Whether it be Wimbledon, the Euros or a day festival of some sort, it’s the kind of thing he would go for. 

[charlierc]

4 hours ago, incident said:

Ok, lets look at the small print of this poll.

So it's literally about a thousand people meaning each % point equals 10 people answering. Using responses that are about a week old.

Unless you're sampling a consistent and large data set, minor fluctuations within polls don't mean much. The official margin of error on a sample size this small is about 3% and given the need to ensure a geographic spread to pick up the SNP/PC/etc it'll be higher than that in reality. I've not checked but given that we're over 2 years out from the next election. I doubt many polling organisations are putting resources into performing polls of a large enough scale that they can be considered genuinely informative.

Can we please stop obsessing over every fucking opinion poll that gets published? They mean absolutely nothing right now.

I think people are willing to put a lot on it given the local elections are coming up and unlike last year are happening. But given the opinion polls have varied wildly in accuracy ahead of the last 3 UK elections (even if 2019's was more closer to reality than 2017's), I'm not sure if the processes are yet tightened up enough.

But again, my only surprise is a rise in LD support (and also the Greens) in this run when they seemed more invisible than Labour, whose leadership currently seems to be getting regular kickings from its own side.

Edited February 14, 2021 by charlierc

[zahidf]

By the end of April we will have 40% of the adult population  with a vaccine. If things aren't better then so we can loosen up, then what's the point?

[gizmoman]

24 minutes ago, Avalon_Fields said:

I'm fascinated with the stats being issued. This is taken from the BBC headline right now:

From Monday, the vaccine rollout is being expanded to include over-65s and those deemed clinically vulnerable.

So, I can only speak for Greater Manchester (Multiple sites): We have been vaccinating this group for the last 2 weeks. I've personally seen a few thousand vaccinated. In fact, on Friday we were struggling to get enough coming through so it was extended to transportation workers of all age groups.

My questions is, are the figures being deliberately under-reported??

 

Or are more people than are being reported refusing the vaccine? Is that why they have moved down the ages early?

[charlierc]

5 minutes ago, BobWillis said:

I struggle to believe that Boris isn’t planning for there to be some kind of big event with a big crowd to show the world that ‘British vaccines got Britain back to normal’ or some bollocks. 
Whether it be Wimbledon, the Euros or a day festival of some sort, it’s the kind of thing he would go for. 

Or this "Festival of Brexit" idea that seems to be a recurring theme, even though it's likely most respectable musical artists - and others - would probably turn it down due to being annoyed Brexit makes it harder to tour Europe.

[zahidf]

Just now, charlierc said:

Or this "Festival of Brexit" idea that seems to be a recurring theme, even though it's likely most respectable musical artists - and others - would probably turn it down due to being annoyed Brexit makes it harder to tour Europe.

Anyone who plays the festival of Brexit will probably find it hard to play any other place. 

[Avalon_Fields]

6 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Or are more people than are being reported refusing the vaccine? Is that why they have moved down the ages early?

I can’t answer that accurately. The take up in the older groups was very high, I understand it’s good but not as high now. 

[gizmoman]

1 minute ago, Avalon_Fields said:

I can’t answer that accurately. The take up in the older groups was very high, I understand it’s good but not as high now. 

The older ones are more at risk and probably don't need to worry too much about any potential long term problems. I can see take up declining as we move down the risk sectors. Notice Boris was asking the care home carers to get it last week, there seem to be a few reluctant.