When will this shit end?

[Homer]

20 minutes ago, Neil said:

Yep, same as it ever was with Spaffer......

 

 

I read a Brexit book recently that when Johnson failed to get elected at uni as the head of the debating/politics/whatever society as a Tory, he ran the next year as a socialist and won.

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Boris is doing the daily briefing today!

theres a shielding and vulnerable announcement due this week .... maybe hes doing that ... what good news can he announce today ? that medical breakthrough ? 

[Homer]

29 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

The official twitter and my work has hinted heavily (not confirmed) that it is gonna be films re released, MCU films was mentioned. No new films until Mulan on 27th. In fact I'll be surprised if we see as many indie films at all. Most studios know now that indie films could do better on home release, The Hunt, Invisible Man, King of Staten Island, being recent examples of smaller films that have had hug success at home, after being cut short or cancelled at the cinema. - Yeah I hopeful Tenet will come out, but if the cinemas open and the box office is dreadful for the inception re release i can see them delaying again, leaving cineworld with no films for ages

Is there not a backlog on smaller films waiting to be released to fill the gap? I'm interested as I have a Cineworld pass. Ta for the info and I hope it works out for you!

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

4 minutes ago, Homer said:

The two women are both New Zealanders. My wife's a kiwi and her best friend knows the younger of them from school (this is pretty much peak New Zealand). The best friend messaged my wife earlier saying they are currently being vilified, which is a tad harsh as they flew all the way back to see their dying mum. Jacinda Ardern's been online saying they didn't break the rules, though, so hopefully that will help.

Seems very harsh for anyone to be vilifying them. We’ve been told to leave parcels for 72 hours, disinfect our shopping etc. The virus can still get in to our homes even if we don’t leave them, just like it will inevitably get Into countries even if they’re borders are still shit. If they’re telling the truth then it got into China again from infected meat from Europe, it’s always going to be when not if.

[steviewevie]

13 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Boris is doing the daily briefing today!

I wonder if that means 2m rule being reduced to 1m...or maybe they will wait till July for that one.

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I wonder if that means 2m rule being reduced to 1m...or maybe they will wait till July for that one.

I reckon hes doing it to talk about that new treatment.

[northernringo]

So my girlfriend's cousin was tested for antibodies (she's a doctor) and it turned out she had them.

Just before lockdown (I think it was actually the last weekend before lockdown) we went on a two night trip with her cousin and their family. One member of her family who was on the trip was coughing a lot during it. After coming back from the trip, both my partner and I (we don't live together) became ill - lack of energy, heavy cough, etc. I had no fever at all though so assumed it was a heavy cold.

Now knowing her cousin has had coronavirus, I would love to get an antibody test myself. Granted, it could just have been a heavy cold but I'd prefer some clarity.

Is it likely antibody testing will be available to the general population at any point? Without having to pay £70/80 for it?

[ace56blaa]

12 minutes ago, Homer said:

Is there not a backlog on smaller films waiting to be released to fill the gap? I'm interested as I have a Cineworld pass. Ta for the info and I hope it works out for you!

Not that we've heard of, most of the smaller films that were going to be released have gone to streaming services or VOD. Like king of state  island and the lovebirds. And a bunch of smaller indie/ horror films have been moved back to autumn, Antebellum, Spiral etc

[MrZigster]

11 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

theres a shielding and vulnerable announcement due this week .... maybe hes doing that ... what good news can he announce today ? that medical breakthrough ? 

Well, I've been informed this morning by my work that those at home for shielding reasons have now been booked off until the end of July (ffs!) I was expecting to go back last week. I kind of hope that any announcement will change that.

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

I reckon hes doing it to talk about that new treatment.

Yeah they'll make a big deal about that. That really seems like a breakthrough.

[efcfanwirral]

36 minutes ago, Chef said:

Surely the biggest news yet?

A vaccine is seen as the holy grail but a widely available, cheap, safe therapeutic like this that can make an obvious difference to those worst affected could be key to the short term curtailment of this virus helping to save lives until other more effective options are developed.

Great news it can easily be access globally even in the poorest nations as well. 

 

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I reckon hes doing it to talk about that new treatment.

I get that reducing the deaths by 5,000 would obviously be good but I hope he doesn't go all Trump on this and tout it as some kind of miracle cure. So many would just see the headlines and be like yep safe now, just as many seem to think being allowed to go shopping means the virus is gone and they're safe to do so. 

I think the biggest breakthrough to celebrate would be a drug that can be taken early and stops people ending up in in intensive care in the first place.

@Toilet Duck what are your thoughts on these increasing stories about long term effects and those who have symptoms for months/can't even climb the stairs months after recovery? And those the other month about asymptomatic patient's scans showing lung damage? Is that expected to be widespread? 

[squirrelarmy]

41 minutes ago, zahidf said:

More on that drug. Some potentially VERY good news

 

 

 

 

It’s a horrible drug though. I did not enjoy being on that. Coincidentally I was actually taking it for my ongoing condition at the same time that I thought I had Covid and the symptoms I had were mild. I think it’s something worth mentioning to someone but I don’t know who. 

[Homer]

16 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Seems very harsh for anyone to be vilifying them. We’ve been told to leave parcels for 72 hours, disinfect our shopping etc. The virus can still get in to our homes even if we don’t leave them, just like it will inevitably get Into countries even if they’re borders are still shit. If they’re telling the truth then it got into China again from infected meat from Europe, it’s always going to be when not if.

NZ attitudes can be a tad smalltown/provincial/'white picket fence' apparently. Plus the girls don't even know anyone who was/is sick in London, so seems likely they picked it up in transit (that wasn't from my exclusive source, I just watched the news).

[zahidf]

5 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

It’s a horrible drug though. I did not enjoy being on that. Coincidentally I was actually taking it for my ongoing condition at the same time that I thought I had Covid and the symptoms I had were mild. I think it’s something worth mentioning to someone but I don’t know who. 

Tbh, if it reduces deaths by at least 1/8th (potentially more) then it's well worth stating as good news.

[Crazyfool01]

8 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Tbh, if it reduces deaths by at least 1/8th (potentially more) then it's well worth stating as good news.

absolutely ... what does that mean for development ? one drug potentially leading to more that might be better ? 

[squirrelarmy]

9 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Tbh, if it reduces deaths by at least 1/8th (potentially more) then it's well worth stating as good news.

Yeah the side effects I was dealing with are definitely much more preferable than getting the worst effects of Covid

[zahidf]

12 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

absolutely ... what does that mean for development ? one drug potentially leading to more that might be better ? 

yeah, as in the scientists know which roads to travel down to fight the disease rather than potentially go down a blind alley

 

Apparently, the NHS has a massive stock of this drug and its widely avilable

Edited June 16, 2020 by zahidf

[Ryan1984]

44 minutes ago, Homer said:

Is there not a backlog on smaller films waiting to be released to fill the gap? I'm interested as I have a Cineworld pass. Ta for the info and I hope it works out for you!

I also have a pass and am happy for them to gradually ease back. Putting big films on straight away would be dangerous.

Wonder if the return of cinemas could lead to theatre shows making a virtual comeback (The National Theatre’s YouTube has been fantastic).

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, Ryan1984 said:

I also have a pass and am happy for them to gradually ease back. Putting big films on straight away would be dangerous.

Wonder if the return of cinemas could lead to theatre shows making a virtual comeback (The National Theatre’s YouTube has been fantastic).

NT are stopping the free youtube series around the time cinemas are back..

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

I also have a pass and am happy for them to gradually ease back. Putting big films on straight away would be dangerous.

Wonder if the return of cinemas could lead to theatre shows making a virtual comeback (The National Theatre’s YouTube has been fantastic).

Cinemas will be opening specifically for the blockbusters...summer is v important for the cinemas. They probably will just have limits on numbers in and loads of showings. They will want to be open for Tenet, Top Gun, Bond etc etc.

[zahidf]

 

 

[vintagelaureate]

21 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

I also have a pass and am happy for them to gradually ease back. Putting big films on straight away would be dangerous.

Wonder if the return of cinemas could lead to theatre shows making a virtual comeback (The National Theatre’s YouTube has been fantastic).

 

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Cinemas will be opening specifically for the blockbusters...summer is v important for the cinemas. They probably will just have limits on numbers in and loads of showings. They will want to be open for Tenet, Top Gun, Bond etc etc.

They're going to re-release some older films too to see how it goes. I know Inception is one - that's been reported in the press.

I don't know about Cineworld but I have spoken to someone who is in the Odeon chain of command at a City Centre cinema. They fully intend to have Tenet on come release day, although they haven't set a date for opening yet.

[squirrelarmy]

36 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Apparently, the NHS has a massive stock of this drug and its widely avilable

Hopefully they also have enough stock of the drugs you need to take alongside it to counteract the effects of the steroids. 

[zahidf]

36 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Hopefully they also have enough stock of the drugs you need to take alongside it to counteract the effects of the steroids. 

 

 

[Toilet Duck]

1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

I get that reducing the deaths by 5,000 would obviously be good but I hope he doesn't go all Trump on this and tout it as some kind of miracle cure. So many would just see the headlines and be like yep safe now, just as many seem to think being allowed to go shopping means the virus is gone and they're safe to do so. 

I think the biggest breakthrough to celebrate would be a drug that can be taken early and stops people ending up in in intensive care in the first place.

@Toilet Duck what are your thoughts on these increasing stories about long term effects and those who have symptoms for months/can't even climb the stairs months after recovery? And those the other month about asymptomatic patient's scans showing lung damage? Is that expected to be widespread? 

So, dexamethasone would be a fairly routine drug for respiratory infections (many of you will have probably been prescribed it to go along with an antibiotic if you had a particularly nasty chest infection). Anecdotally, many doctors I know have been using it along with a range of other things to manage COVID patients (so good to see trial evidence that this is worthwhile). Side effects would be the same as most low dose steroids, doesn’t agree with everyone, but generally fine (I’ve had it a bunch of times, never noticed anything other than I got better!, but obviously everyone is different). Other anti-inflammatories will also most likely have an impact (IL-6 inhibitors seem to be working for those that develop cytokine storm for example, trial data on all of these will emerge in time). All of these are a long way from prophylactic use though, but anything that improves outcomes is welcome (simple things have also had an impact, the benefit of keeping patients in a prone position was noted very early on). 
 

The post-infection symptoms that are starting to be recorded are also fairly “normal”. Post-infection fatigue happens with other viruses too (not saying it’s nice by the way, or indeed nothing to worry about, just that the symptoms described aren’t atypical by the looks of things)...the lung damage I’ve seen is also something that appears to be present in uninfected individuals, so not sure if it’s virus-related just yet (that’s obviously different to the lung damage in those who develop pneumonia after infection, which looks pretty nasty). All in all, this really isn’t a trivial viral infection, so many organs have receptors for it that it has the potential to cause all sorts of problems. 

[zahidf]

18 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

So, dexamethasone would be a fairly routine drug for respiratory infections (many of you will have probably been prescribed it to go along with an antibiotic if you had a particularly nasty chest infection). Anecdotally, many doctors I know have been using it along with a range of other things to manage COVID patients (so good to see trial evidence that this is worthwhile). Side effects would be the same as most low dose steroids, doesn’t agree with everyone, but generally fine (I’ve had it a bunch of times, never noticed anything other than I got better!, but obviously everyone is different). Other anti-inflammatories will also most likely have an impact (IL-6 inhibitors seem to be working for those that develop cytokine storm for example, trial data on all of these will emerge in time). All of these are a long way from prophylactic use though, but anything that improves outcomes is welcome (simple things have also had an impact, the benefit of keeping patients in a prone position was noted very early on). 
 

The post-infection symptoms that are starting to be recorded are also fairly “normal”. Post-infection fatigue happens with other viruses too (not saying it’s nice by the way, or indeed nothing to worry about, just that the symptoms described aren’t atypical by the looks of things)...the lung damage I’ve seen is also something that appears to be present in uninfected individuals, so not sure if it’s virus-related just yet (that’s obviously different to the lung damage in those who develop pneumonia after infection, which looks pretty nasty). All in all, this really isn’t a trivial viral infection, so many organs have receptors for it that it has the potential to cause all sorts of problems. 

do you think its a gamechanger or is that overegging it a bit?