When will this shit end?

[Mr.Tease]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

Oof

Can't believe those scientists who happily went along with the governments BS-ing didn't see this coming, kind of serves a lot of them right, in a way

[steviewevie]

 

[Mr.Tease]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

I like that he has the cheek to pretend that he cares

[Chapple12345]

12 hours ago, dotdash79 said:

You know what I don’t like the tories, I would never vote for them but I wanted them to do well during pandemic. 

I agree, I think this was an opportunity for all the parties to actually work together and for the country to properly back the government but every error is more damaging than the last and they are having the people turn on them very quickly which isn't what you need 

[stuartbert two hats]

27 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:

I agree, I think this was an opportunity for all the parties to actually work together and for the country to properly back the government but every error is more damaging than the last and they are having the people turn on them very quickly which isn't what you need 

Partly because they keep lying to us.  They had such a lot of good will in the country, we knew things were tough, but they kept on lying, lying and lying.  And lies that are shown to be false too quickly for people to forget. 

They fucked it.

[Ryan1984]

12 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Partly because they keep lying to us.  They had such a lot of good will in the country, we knew things were tough, but they kept on lying, lying and lying.  And lies that are shown to be false too quickly for people to forget. 

They fucked it.

I think most raised minor concerns right at the start when they said pubs, restaurants, venues and cinemas etc  could stay open but that the public shouldn’t go to them.

 So many in those industries had to shut themselves down and it always felt like Boris’s first big speech to the nation was at least a week too late (personally, I had a week off work from 16 March and have been sticking to self-isolating with my wife since the weekend before). But when they rigidly ‘stuck to the science‘, the public seemed on side. All seemed a bit awry when Boris was in hospital and you got the feeling no one wanted to make a decision (we all know why!).

Then there was the fiddling the testing figures and Cummings. I still believe if Cummings has made a half-arsed footballer-style ‘I made an error of judgement’ statement - without an apology - that would have been swept under the carpet. All these changes of dates and not following the rules they set out (Nando’s level/pubs potentially reopening) also haven’t helped their cause.

[Chef]

Not sure how definitive this is in terms of evidence but interesting none the less.  

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52975934 

[philipsteak]

35 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Partly because they keep lying to us.  They had such a lot of good will in the country, we knew things were tough, but they kept on lying, lying and lying.  And lies that are shown to be false too quickly for people to forget. 

They fucked it.

One of the positives for me that has come out of this is a new found respect for my employers. Not usually great at communication (while telling us how great they are at communication), they've been on very good form. Updating us in a pretty timely way when they can, explaining why they can't when they can't. Keeping us up to date on the reopening plans. At the same time, admitting that this is all new to them and that they have and are going to make mistakes as they go. That in particular is refreshing. I have so much more time for people when they can admit they aren't infallible (world beating test and trace anyone). And they fucked up on furloughing. A few people were furloughed by mistake who they then couldn't claim for, but they've told them they'll get paid until end of July as initially agreed and the company will take the hit. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

Apparently they're rowing back on the pubs thing now, sticking to early July timeline rather than the 22nd June date reported yesterday by the BBC. Not sure if they changed their mind or if it got leaked a bit early for their liking. I do feel quite relieved about that, though. 

[Guest]

This could be interesting. 

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

A lot of people from the pub trade in BBC news this morning saying the majority wouldn’t be ready for the 22nd regardless, one even said even with the early July opening many may not be able to open properly until August.

[squirrelarmy]

3 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

A lot of people from the pub trade in BBC news this morning saying the majority wouldn’t be ready for the 22nd regardless, one even said even with the early July opening many may not be able to open properly until August.

Too right. Turning on beer production isn’t like turning on a tap especially when it comes to real ales. I know some breweries have been brewing for the home market but it’s a different level of production to get ale brewed in the quantities required to supply the pubs. 

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

3 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Too right. Turning on beer production isn’t like turning on a tap especially when it comes to real ales. I know some breweries have been brewing for the home market but it’s a different level of production to get ale brewed in the quantities required to supply the pubs. 

That’s pretty much exactly what they said, then they had a guy from camra who said exactly that, a lot of the smaller breweries and micro breweries have been ticking over selling to punters, but scaling things back up for pubs can’t be done overnight. 

[squirrelarmy]

The scenes from the BLM protests won’t compare to the scenes in pubs if they open without sufficient stocks. Any pub that opens is going to be swamped and drunk dry within a couple of hours. I’m definitely avoiding going anywhere near one until normality resumes. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, squirrelarmy said:

The scenes from the BLM protests won’t compare to the scenes in pubs if they open without sufficient stocks. Any pub that opens is going to be swamped and drunk dry within a couple of hours. I’m definitely avoiding going anywhere near one until normality resumes. 

not with limits on numbers surely ? 

[squirrelarmy]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

not with limits on numbers surely ? 

A lot of pubs won’t open if numbers are limited as it won’t be cost effective. 

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

11 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

A lot of pubs won’t open if numbers are limited as it won’t be cost effective. 

You’re right, it won’t be cost effective for many, but for those that do open it will be outside, maybe with marquees, table service only (maybe using an app) one way systems and segregated queues for the toilets. It won’t be viable for many, but for those it is they will operate in a very controlled fashion.

[Guest]

Has anyone been to some of the pubs in Brighton Lanes? They are tiny, absolutely no change of social distancing in there!

[squirrelarmy]

It’s the same in the centre of Leeds. Lots of small tiny bars with limited outside seating. There’s only a few places that have a sizeable seating area, the vast majority of those with the capacity to have social distanced drinking in the centre are operated by Wetherspoons.

Pubs won’t be able to open with one or two doormen either. They’ll need substantial security cover which will add even more costs to the few places that do open. 

[squirrelarmy]

I’ve actually just thought of a solution, there’s a lot of city squares and large areas around the country that have the ability to be used as temporary event areas. Think of the outdoor drinking fan parks during the last world cup, there will be existing plans and license agreements in place by councils for the now cancelled euro 2020.

There’s a huge amount of festival equipment and staff idle right now. Surely it makes sense to get some mini festivals set up in each city to help ease the demand on the pubs with limited internal capacity. 

[Crazyfool01]

Surely portaloos make a lot of sense right now in pub gardens ... just need to sort the hand washing ... 

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

14 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

I’ve actually just thought of a solution, there’s a lot of city squares and large areas around the country that have the ability to be used as temporary event areas. Think of the outdoor drinking fan parks during the last world cup, there will be existing plans and license agreements in place by councils for the now cancelled euro 2020.

There’s a huge amount of festival equipment and staff idle right now. Surely it makes sense to get some mini festivals set up in each city to help ease the demand on the pubs with limited internal capacity. 

I’ve got a mate who works in the hospitality industry supplying a lot of bars and hotels etc, he said in London organisers and promoters have been looking for open air car parks (or any large open space) they can rent to build pop up bars.

[steviewevie]

may as well just take some tinnies to the park.

[northernringo]

3rd day in a row of no announced deaths in NI.

[stuie]

32 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

may as well just take some tinnies to the park.

I can’t wait for a nice cold draught pint! Tinnies aren’t the same.

Edited June 9, 2020 by stuie