When will this shit end?

[stuartbert two hats]

1 hour ago, xxialac said:

Thank God for, as Johnson reminds us every five minutes, having by far the best vaccination programme ever and so much better than the corrupt EU...

Er, what's this?

 

A selective graph.

[philipsteak]

10 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Thats fair, theres also a hell of a lot of younger people who woprk in hospitality who have not been double jabbed that are worried....

True. 

Most of my colleagues are younger and only had the one. Although thankfully most won't be too far off getting their second as a couple of local pharmacies started doing walk ins for anyone over 18 a bit before the official start so some managed to get in then

[efcfanwirral]

A pragmatic and balanced thread 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, MrBarry465 said:

I'd say it's likely linked to the fact taht men are more prone to 'risk taking' than women.

Same reason more men get caught speeding etc. 

I was linking it to the football and men shouting and screaming into each others faces.

[fraybentos1]

Everyone I know around my age doesn't give a fuck and can only assume that is higher in the 18 year olds. Not denying there is wary youngsters out there, but really not many.

[zahidf]

6 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

A pragmatic and balanced thread 

Yeah i  agree its a good thread. Interesting that they recognise that its the trusts job as well to make sure they can balance things as best they can

[steviewevie]

44 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

For me they are taking a massive fucking risk, however calculated they think it is. There is a hell of a lot of people still not vaccinated and as you say, we will certainly know well enough by October/November if it's paid off. 

I'm on the fence, but I think getting rid of things like masks on public transport and working from home, is stupid and pushing things out when not needed. 

yeah, I guess that's where I am with it too, especially public transport which some unvaxed or vulnerable people have to use. They must be worried about cases getting too high which is why they've delayed the self isolation rules till mid August.

[Crazyfool01]

Got to cancel it surely ? 
 

 

[steviewevie]

I think any gloating about how much of a population have been vaccinated between countries (or EU) is just kind of shit, and pointless. We've all got to get to the same place as quick as poss, and there's only so much of the stuff out there.

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

Got to cancel it surely ? 
 

 

It's probably not going to have any spectator's 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

Got to cancel it surely ? 
 

 

Don't think they will, IOC have Japan over a barrel. It's all very sad really, but might look good on tv.

[MEGABOWL]

18 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

A pragmatic and balanced thread 

Very interesting.

Why aren’t more people on the left using this Pandemic to start a campaign for a big increase in NHS Capacity? Rather than trying to prove the Government wrong over something that in reality will find a lot of support? Or trying to ‘win the argument’ on Twitter? Surely if ever there was a time when people could see the benefits this is it? Hello, Labour? Anyone there?

[Crazyfool01]

6 minutes ago, zahidf said:

It's probably not going to have any spectator's 

Lots of athletes / athletes villages ? I would say it’s asking for trouble ..  but guess we will see in a few weeks time … hope not but can’t see there not being issues with the numbers of people involved 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Total disgrace if they cancel it after athletes dedicating years of their lives to training for this moment. Just do it in a bio secure bubble with no fans. 

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

Very interesting.

Why aren’t more people on the left using this Pandemic to start a campaign for a big increase in NHS Capacity? Rather than trying to prove the Government wrong over something that in reality will find a lot of support? Or trying to ‘win the argument’ on Twitter? Surely if ever there was a time when people could see the benefits this is it? Hello, Labour? Anyone there?

been talking about this already. They can say now NHS needs more funding...I mean, it's a no brainer...but they won't make any actual spending policies till closer to next election.... NHS does need more capacity, and needs loads more money, as does social care, as does loads of other stuff, austerity has fucked so many things, but this money has to come from somewhere...and that's the tricky bit...I'm sure these will be some of the main things fought over leading to next election.

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Lots of athletes / athletes villages ? I would say it’s asking for trouble ..  but guess we will see in a few weeks time … hope not but can’t see there not being issues with the numbers of people involved 

yeah, and they're already arriving, but I thinl they have a very strict testing/quarantining system set up over there. But yeah, could badly backfire...

[Simsy]

1 hour ago, MrBarry465 said:

Is that true? Never seen that reported anywhere....

Yep, I think women are more likely to be in "caring" roles (NHS, care homes, childcare etc) and lower paid jobs (like cleaners) where they're more likely to come into contact with the virus. I'm sure I've read that more men were dying but women were more likely to catch it & to get long covid.

Edited to add: I don't like how many times I've written "more likely" there, but CBA to change it.

Edited July 8, 2021 by Simsy

[Paul ™]

1 hour ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

Have a blast! Dancing in 30c sunshine in a 17th century fortress. Tremendous. Some great names amongst the headliners in there. Rave safe and report back! With pictures so we can live vicariously through you!

Loved it there in 2012/13. Beautiful site for it

[JoeyT]

1 hour ago, xxialac said:

Is that 10% (soon to be 0%) really such a dramatic discrepancy worth banging on about every time Johnson opens his gob.

Has it fed through to much better outcomes relative to those other countries slightly behind? 

Germany aside it seems that these countries are about 5 weeks behind us in terms of cases & the delta variant so any discrepancy between % of population vaccinated is going to see them actually fare worse than us in their next wave?

[MrBarry465]

38 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Everyone I know around my age doesn't give a fuck

Ah that old chestnut

'everyone I know this.....'

Horses for courses, everyone I know around my age 'early 30's' has a sensible level of concern. Whats your point? 

Edited July 8, 2021 by MrBarry465

[MrBarry465]

20 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Total disgrace if they cancel it after athletes dedicating years of their lives to training for this moment. Just do it in a bio secure bubble with no fans. 

It's not a disgrace at all.

I'd say the public health of an entire nation (Japan) takes precedence over some clay pigeon shooters don't you?

Have some perspective. 

[MEGABOWL]

12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

been talking about this already. They can say now NHS needs more funding...I mean, it's a no brainer...but they won't make any actual spending policies till closer to next election.... NHS does need more capacity, and needs loads more money, as does social care, as does loads of other stuff, austerity has fucked so many things, but this money has to come from somewhere...and that's the tricky bit...I'm sure these will be some of the main things fought over leading to next election.

My worry is if they don’t seize the agenda now, the Tories will. We’ll pay the price like we did when Labour totally surrendered the narrative over the Financial Crash in 09/10 and years of Austerity followed. 
 

If they do that they could use it to sink the NHS using the justification that ‘it can’t cope, it isn’t fit for purpose etc’ and sell it off. I’m not 100% saying they will but everything’s up in the air at the minute.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Ah that old chestnut

'everyone I know this.....'

Horses for courses, everyone I know around my age 'early 30's' has a sensible level of concern. Whats your point? 

everyone I know wants lockdown to last forever.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, MEGABOWL said:

My worry is if they don’t seize the agenda now, the Tories will. We’ll pay the price like we did when Labour totally surrendered the narrative over the Financial Crash in 09/10 and years of Austerity followed. 
 

If they do that they could use it to sink the NHS using the justification that ‘it can’t cope, it isn’t fit for purpose etc’ and sell it off. I’m not 100% saying they will but everything’s up in the air at the minute.

yeah...true...but the tories are so good at winning elections, even if that means just taking opposition policies that are popular...so they could just match labour promises by next election and then labour are left with nothing.

[Crazyfool01]

25 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Total disgrace if they cancel it after athletes dedicating years of their lives to training for this moment. Just do it in a bio secure bubble with no fans. 

The only sport I’ve really seen having full success with biosecure bubbles is F1 ? I was gonna say England cricket was doing well but that went to shit lately !! ….  Unfortunately I don’t think it’s going to be quite so easy doing biosecure bubbles because of the international nature of the events .. with athletes and teams mixing