When will this shit end?

[fraybentos1]

10 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

More modest deceleration in most areas of Manchester. Salford looks like it might be about to go green.

 

Mad how a few weeks ago it was all about Bolton and they were so so high and now they’re the lowest on that list. Hopefully the other regions follow suit.

[stuartbert two hats]

5 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Mad how a few weeks ago it was all about Bolton and they were so so high and now they’re the lowest on that list. Hopefully the other regions follow suit.

It does suggest there's a ceiling, at least under the current restrictions.

[Guest]

We just have to hope that with a full reopening and no restrictions in place that it doesn’t raise that ceiling higher!

[BobWillis2]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

We just have to hope that with a full reopening and no restrictions in place that it doesn’t raise that ceiling higher!

Deano keeps telling us that people don’t meet up in groups of more than 6 anyway so shouldn’t be too much of an issue going forward. We’re already at the peak of mixing. 

[JB15]

1 minute ago, BobWillis2 said:

Deano keeps telling us that people don’t meet up in groups of more than 6 anyway so shouldn’t be too much of an issue going forward. We’re already at the peak of mixing. 

Do you ever post to engage in the discussion or just to belittle others’ contribution to the thread?

[BobWillis2]

8 minutes ago, JB15 said:

Do you ever post to engage in the discussion or just to belittle others’ contribution to the thread?

Bit of both. 
 

I’ll happy belittle someone that said they hoped I get covid and die though. 

Edited July 8, 2021 by BobWillis2

[Guest]

 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

 

How to make friends an influence people in the early days in a new job !! Or laying down his management style … I wonder if any of those workers in the nhs see him as some kind of person to be hero worshipped like some on here do ?! Maybe they enjoy the overtime !! Or not 

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

How to make friends an influence people in the early days in a new job !! Or laying down his management style … I wonder if any of those workers in the nhs see him as some kind of person to be hero worshipped like some on here do ?! Maybe they enjoy the overtime !! Or not 

He was bought in to get restrictions gone...

But.... looking long term, I think its a mistake to see social distancing regulations being implemented as a way to stop high hospital demand. Because it will always be with us or a possibility going forwards

(I don't really give a crap about maths either way)

[stuartbert two hats]

23 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

We just have to hope that with a full reopening and no restrictions in place that it doesn’t raise that ceiling higher!

I think it may, but as I think other people were getting at, the football has been a pretty good testing ground for a looser regime.

 

It may surprise a few on here, but I'm occasionally prone to wild outbursts of optimism (you can find me being wrong in my hopeful predictions many times on this thread). So I'm going to predict the next loosening will raise the ceiling, but not by much and then cases will drop. The models are being pessimistic and everything will be fine.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

He was bought in to get restrictions gone...

But.... looking long term, I think its a mistake to see social distancing regulations being implemented as a way to stop high hospital demand. Because it will always be with us or a possibility going forwards

(I don't really give a crap about maths either way)

He was brought in as a health secretary thats his job ..... 

[zahidf]

5 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I think it may, but as I think other people were getting at, the football has been a pretty good testing ground for a looser regime.

 

It may surprise a few on here, but I'm occasionally prone to wild outbursts of optimism (you can find me being wrong in my hopeful predictions many times on this thread). So I'm going to predict the next loosening will raise the ceiling, but not by much and then cases will drop. The models are being pessimistic and everything will be fine.

Ha I agree with you! But then I've always been Mr positive. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, zahidf said:

He was bought in to get restrictions gone...

But.... looking long term, I think its a mistake to see social distancing regulations being implemented as a way to stop high hospital demand. Because it will always be with us or a possibility going forwards

(I don't really give a crap about maths either way)

Going forward we could properly fund the NHS so when demand increases the NHS isn’t at risk of collapsing.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

So much for moving on..

we will see if he moves us on or causes more issues .... my money is on the latter .... im sure we will find out over the winter 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

Sainsbury says no need to wear a mask  

Invidual choice. 

Was going to be interesting how place reacted to the "guidance"

 

 

so much for moving on ....

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Mr brightside 

great tune .... loved it at the last festival ... u ever been ? 

[dotdash79]

2 hours ago, DeanoL said:

In normal times. Speak to doctors and nurses.

The NHS isn't just a machine. It's a load of human beings, human beings that have been under intense stress and pressure for over a year now. It's not just a case of saying "capacity is X, as long as we're below X, it's fine".

Think of the busiest, most high pressure week you've ever had at work. Now imagine working that week for a year straight. Then just when it comes to an end people start going "nah it's fine, they've shown they can do this, let's keep the pressure up".

I'm not saying that's a reason to stay shut down, or delay reopening or anything like that. But it's may be a reason to think about what you're saying and how you're framing it. It's people, not mechanisms. People can flex, and work extra hours, but only to a point and only for so long.

It not just that clinical staff don’t just become doctors and nurses and that’s it there is years of development to move up the ranks. Most juniors have had to forgo training and progression in the last year, if you continue to do that then that might have additional patient impact in the future. 

[steviewevie]

Lovely Ros

 

[dotdash79]

In around 2010 the nhs was able to operate at around 85% capacity in Summer and closer to 95% in winter. This mean if operations or procedures were cancelled in winter then they could be done in the summer. 
 

as part of austerity that spare capacity was removed as “efficiently savings”. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

To a festival ?   No I just joined efestivals to talk about covid... 

thought so ... u must have known about it early then .... even b4 it happened 

[Chapple12345]

 

[stuartbert two hats]

22 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Ha I agree with you! But then I've always been Mr positive. 

I'm not even sure if I agree with me. Not if I'm being honest, but there's not a lot I can do about it.

Edited July 8, 2021 by stuartbert two hats

[BobWillis2]

19 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

To a festival ?   No I just joined efestivals to talk about covid... 

😆😆

[zahidf]

Says it a little better than me

 

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

 

 

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

He was bought in to get restrictions gone...

But.... looking long term, I think its a mistake to see social distancing regulations being implemented as a way to stop high hospital demand. Because it will always be with us or a possibility going forwards

(I don't really give a crap about maths either way)

I agree here - that front page doesn't even mention that it's not really covid at this moment causing that problem. It makes out it is, or let's people believe that at least. If restrictions happen because the NHS is under pressure, And the NHS is under pressure because of the effects of lockdowns and the underfunding by the government. The government won't change, and if the answer is more lockdowns then there isn't really an end point there...

Edited July 8, 2021 by efcfanwirral